Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

[RedFox]

However, his declaration to squash anti-semitic hate speech being propagated on college campuses flies in the face of the voting public decrying all the censorship that's been the cornerstone of cancel culture. Come on - free speech means free speech period! That kind of rhetoric on Trump's part definitely paints him with the Israel First brush! I hope he gets sufficient backlash that he reconsiders his edict. Alas, his considerable support by Christians evangelicals/Zionists may override any retraction.

Yeah, those things bother me a bit. But again whatever Trump intends, he always seems to have a habit of exposing the truth to more people. Even if he's caught up in the lies.

So trying to take a bigger picture view - getting the ideologues out of academia is a good thing. That the far left is identified/tangles up with long term supporters of Palestine is a bad thing. That the conservative side has been sold the idea that supporters of Palestine are supporting Hamas (And that Hamas are the 'bad guys' - and it's not a very complex situation with many shades of grey) is a bad thing.
So if I'm going to give it a larger perspective and some benefit of the doubt, it looks like a deliberate/pre-emptive push of the pendulum to stop it swinging back to a 'far-right' position. If that's intended at some level (to diffuse the energy of the far-left, and eventual over compensatory swing back to far-right) it may be genius.

On the note of the consortium saying people needed to resist more, maybe this will be part of that.
In the short term it may be a very bad thing, and I suspect the Palestinians (and those that support them) may have a harder time in the short term. I hope though that in the long term it creates conditions that resolve/balance things correctly.

We'll have to see how far this particular line is taken - i.e. will Twitter/X also ban support for Palestine?

 

[RedFox]

Just as a reminder, this was one of those speeches that made me understand Trump better and his 'Art of the deal'. When he threatened to wipe North Korea of the face of the planet at the UN peace conference. I remember being shocked, and (perhaps it is a false memory) remember the assembly reacting verbally to his statements - I remember them being shocked.

And then after all that we had Trump walk over the DMZ to shake Kim's hand. Another shock at the time. The 'Art of the deal'.

He could in theory have been kidnapped/killed according to some pundits at the time.

So when he does shocking things (or appoints shocking people), their is usually a reason.

 

[Cosmos]

We should also consider the possibility that when Trump and/or others around him and/or his team make speeches or announcement about ending anti-semitism, that we don’t really know what Trump or some of them actually think constitutes anti-semitism. For example: No sensible person would or should think that you can discriminate or behave wacky towards ANY jew just because he is or was one. Solely on that basis. A person that is or was a jew can be a good/decent and also bad person as is the case with any other religion and/or race. That should be a no-brainer and it might be what Trump also thinks there. But saying that it is anti-semitism to criticize or even strongly oppose a person (that could be a jew or not) that supports the deliberate murder and extermination of innocent civilians (children, woman, man and the elderly) is something else entirely and I think there is a good chance that Trump or at least some around him think that way too.

 

[Cosmos]

Someone earlier asked if RFK could also try to address and/or tackle “EMF“ issues associated with cellphones, Wifi, Bluetooth and so on. As far as I know RFK has taken that very seriously not just on the surface but also by meticulous research into the literature! I remember him bringing it up in discussions in the past against the strange but all too common skepticism of the people he talked to (I think it was Rogan). So I do think there is the real possibility that he will try to address that as well! And there could hardly be a better person in a position to do so. He has done his homework there for sure! Although that one might be even harder than tackling vaccines and food poisoning.

 

[Seamus]

I'm tired of all these alt-media people being so negative. Berletic, Blumenthal, Henningsen, Rachel Blevins. They don't know what's going to happen and yet they act like everything about Israel is settled. They are supposed to be open minded! They basically think Trump is part of the Deep State, and that is a level of delusion that I cannot fathom for anyone that is supposedly paying attention.

I'm with you on that its exhausting. He and RFK talked about forming a "Unity Cabinet" like Lincoln had with former rivals that have differing opinions, so not everyone is going to be on the same page with everything, in fact that's the point! At the end of the day if he picks people who he can trust, who are loyal to him and his cause and the American people and the Constitution then it will be better than the snakes we've had in there for a long long time.

Another gage is this: If the establishment types like John Bolton and Debbie Washerman-Schulz hate the picks then he is on the right track even if I don't love it.

I congratulate this forum for the input in this thread of bringing out all the angles and opinions being dissected in an attempt to have some clue as to what the new Trump administration is going to do. It does kind of boil down to "is he going to be badass or just plain bad." Larry Johnson's take was very insightful and helped balance some of the more warhawk thoughts connected to Trump's "questionable" picks. However, his declaration to squash anti-semitic hate speech being propagated on college campuses flies in the face of the voting public decrying all the censorship that's been the cornerstone of cancel culture. Come on - free speech means free speech period! That kind of rhetoric on Trump's part definitely paints him with the Israel First brush! I hope he gets sufficient backlash that he reconsiders his edict. Alas, his considerable support by Christians evangelicals/Zionists may override any retraction.

It's been pointed out that his legacy matters to him and in combination with his belief that he's been given divine purpose, may result in the best case scenario we are all hoping for. Let's pray that it's so.

I was thinking the same thing, lots of good calm reasoned posts in this thread. Such a nice change of pace from the hysteria on social media! Wait and see and judge them by their actions should be our mantras IMO.

Just as a reminder, this was one of those speeches that made me understand Trump better and his 'Art of the deal'.

I've had that in mind too, his negotiating style is very old school in that he seems to like opening with something that would be extremely bad for the other side with the aim of eventually finding common ground. I think it can be quite effective at breaking stalemates in certain instances, almost like further tensing an already tight muscle before you stretch it can give you a better stretch.

Interesting! I’m pretty sure Musk sees the situation with Israel much clearer given his outspoken opposition to what is going on shortly after it started. We know what happened then: All the “friendly“ zionist flocked around him like a cancer and “gave him a lesson on what is really going on“ after which he backed down. I don’t think that this really helped them to get him on “their side“, probably quite the opposite! For now he probably keeps his private opinion at bay.

I have had similar thoughts, but I'm trying to avoid wishful thinking and judge him on his actions. Talking to Iran to try to ease tensions seems like a good start, as would releasing the Epstein list. It will be interesting to see how it plays out!

As I started on my way down, I had this thought coming in my mind. Why would Trump help Israel commit suicide helping it in attacking Iran? I was shock by the answer that came to me next. If Israel is so determined to do so, why not giving it the rope to do it and be done with it.

What a shocking thought, could all those pro Israel nomination have this hidden purpose? Embolden Israel to commit itself in a war that will bring it down once and for all.

Yes I know, crazy thought but I read so many of them in the last few days that I thought that I could add mine.

Time will tell so let wait and see.

This seems possible and it seems to me that on a larger scale people like Trump and Putin must have a different kind of morality than "normal people" who are primarily concerned with their own lives. They must often make very difficult decisions between options that are not clearly good or bad, right or wrong.

Trump and RFK are older and American policy for many many years has held that Israel is "our giant aircraft carrier in the Middle East" so they may be taking what think is a Realpolitik stance. As you say time will tell!