Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

[Faca Fritz]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

There doesn't need to be a nuclear war. Some anti-gravity spacecraft with classical propulsion are enough, something Cas mentioned. Is it Orešnik or something else? Also, they mentioned something about shock and awe.

Croatia

Ne treba biti nuklearnog rata. Dovoljne su neke antigravitacijske letjelice na klasičan pogon, nešto su spomenuli Cas. Da li je to Orešnik ili još nešto drugo? Također, nešto su spomenuli o šoku i strahopoštovanju.

 

[Revolucionar]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

Relax. They don't have the money, the weaponry or the means to obtain either of those in any sort of short term timeframe. Their only option, if this is indeed what they hope to achieve, is to somehow try to pull the US into the conflict.

Personally, I don't think there's a great probabilty for an expanded war any time soon. The west is broke and its military stockpiles are depleted while their war industry needs at least a good decade to build up, and that's only if they really focus on it.

I think they just want to keep this Ukraine conflict going as long as possible to keep the threat going and justify increased military spending.

Hopefully Trump wins out and they're all forced to backtrack slowly on Russia. We'll see what happens. Enjoy the show. It's best one in the galaxy right now.

 

[axj]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

The thing is that over the last couple years there were a lot of reports that the ammunition stockpiles in major EU countries are depleted and that a lot of military hardware is non-functional, so that they could wage war for only a short time.

France and the UK do have nuclear weapons, but it seems unlikely that they would use them to defend Eastern European countries. Russia has the Oreshniks and other unstoppable hypersonic missiles now - meaning that the equation is even worse for the EU than at any time before.

It is possible or even likely that some of the eurocrats think that the only way not to lose to Russia in Ukraine is to start an even bigger war in Eastern Europe. Though they did not use the opportunity under "Biden" to drag the US into it, so now they are in a much worse position with Trump. If they are not completely deluded with wishful thinking, I don't think they will do it now.

 

[Nachtweide]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

In Germany, we are waiting to see when Russia reactivates the enemy state clause. Putin doesn't need to wage war against us - Russia has the right as an occupier to take over the old territory of the former DDR in this case. Without firing a shot.
In the past, our occupiers were Great Britain, France, the USA and Russia - and today they are exactly the same players with different missions.

Enemy state clause
The enemy states clause is a clause in Art. 53 of the UN Charter and Art. 107, as well as a half-sentence in Art. 77 of the Charter (or Statute) of the United Nations (UNSC), according to which coercive measures could be imposed by the signatory states against so-called enemy states of the Second World War without special authorization by the UN Security Council if the enemy states were to pursue an aggressive policy again. The enemy state clauses were officially declared “obsolete” by General Assembly Resolution 49/58 of December 9, 1994, but the passage is still included in the Statute. They also included military interventions. Article 53 defined “enemy states” as those states that were enemies of a signatory state of the UN Charter during the Second World War (i.e. primarily Germany and Japan or the German Empire and the Japanese Empire).

 

[axj]

In Germany, we are waiting to see when Russia reactivates the enemy state clause.

Interesting. Russia actually already invoked the enemy state clause against Germany at the UN Security Council in September last year:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/384193290_Submission_to_the_United_Nations_Security_Council_Request_to_Invoke_the_Enemy_State_Clauses_of_the_United_Nations_Charter_Against_Germany

Though apparently nothing came out of it - I cannot find even one article talking about it (in English, German or Russian).

 

[Joe]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

It ends when those EU troops immediately collapse under the first barrage from Russia. No nukes needed.

 

[Carl]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

Have you ever seen the "nothing ever happens" meme? Of course sometimes things do happen, but most of the time not. Especially when it comes to really big things like nuclear war. Think of Israel/Iran for instance. Everyone's expecting something to happen any minute now, surely it has to! But somehow it doesn't. This probably borne out of the fact that geopolitics is mostly just hyperbolic theatre for the normies.

 

[Elisasheva]

Have you ever seen the "nothing ever happens" meme? Of course sometimes things do happen, but most of the time not. Especially when it comes to really big things like nuclear war. Think of Israel/Iran for instance. Everyone's expecting something to happen any minute now, surely it has to! But somehow it doesn't. This probably borne out of the fact that geopolitics is mostly just hyperbolic theatre for the normies.

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Well, I read this article and people were complaining that Russia was about to attack Ukraine in 2021, it didn't, so "nothing ever happens" but then boom, they eventually did. Nobody believed they will until they did. So something indeed happens sometimes

 

[Joe]

Have you ever seen the "nothing ever happens" meme? Of course sometimes things do happen, but most of the time not. Especially when it comes to really big things like nuclear war. Think of Israel/Iran for instance. Everyone's expecting something to happen any minute now, surely it has to! But somehow it doesn't. This probably borne out of the fact that geopolitics is mostly just hyperbolic theatre for the normies.

I think it's not that nothing every happens, but that humans have a prodigious ability to normalize new events very quickly. Before it happens, people imagine that if it were to happen it would be "crazy", but then it happens and they normalize it within a few days, which leads them to think "nothing ever happens".

There's also the idea that many big things that people imagine might (or should) happen can't happen, or at least can't happen yet, because they would presage the end of all things. Like nuclear war for example.

There's also the idea that, as things get more and more chaotic on the planet, people get the feeling of "get it over already!" and when it doesn't meet their time frame, they get the feeling that "nothing ever happens".

 

[Alejo]

France and the UK do have nuclear weapons, but it seems unlikely that they would use them to defend Eastern European countries. Russia has the Oreshniks and other unstoppable hypersonic missiles now - meaning that the equation is even worse for the EU than at any time before.

Maybe that's the only reason they want the US involved... they get to look tougher if they've got bigger guns.

This entire situation is surreal, before Trump took office I would interpret the situation, correctly perhaps, as Europe is being directed to commit suicide, militarily and financially by Washington, poor EU with such weak leaders that have no other mode than "follow the leader" and I must admit that I was waiting to see a change in the EU after the change in Washington, but then.. it's like the EU goes "no, we're going to continue to commit suicide whether you tell us to do it or not"... Unreal!

 

[Meg]

Here is James Carville speculating that Trump has late stage Syphilis dementia, starting about 6 minutes in...

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I couldn't get through the video. He sounds so unhinged. What struck me is that he talked about red marks on Trump's hands. There is a vascular injury you can get from playing golf. I know because my dad was a golfer for many, many years and often had red marks on his palms. The link below covers golf injuries. The one I wanted to highlight is listed under 'damaged blood vessels'.

Golf Hand Injuries | Causes & Treatment for Golfer's Hand

Are your hands sore after golf? Learn the common causes of hand and wrist pain for golfers, common injuries and how to treat them today!

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Carville's a moron.

 

[Ruth]

I bet Zelensky said "yeah I'll go to the White House to sign the rare earths deal" while actually planning to sit in front of Trump and try to convince him of going full Biden on Ukraine. Well, that totally backfired, didn't it?

And those two bufoons Macron and Starmer probably told Zelensky "don't worry, we'll go in advance and soften-up Trump for you". They failed miserably and it was all downhill from there. Somebody pass the popcorn!

I heard or read somewhere (maybe it was on this thread?) that Zelensky promised multiple times to sign a rare earth deal with the United States and that promise fell through repeatedly. He ended up signing one with the UK. So, does this explain in some part the UK's and Frances behaviour towards Ukraine? Do they want to take over the United States's 'management' of Ukraine, for their own benefit, of course? Greed, resources, corruption, power and arrogance play a defining role in any nation's behaviour on the world stage. Even if they say otherwise - and being such a bunch of psycho's it's world leaders (as well as the majority of American Congress and Senate) who are not going to be telling the truth.

 

[Evan]

I remember asking about where this visceral hatred of Russia amongst the Europeans comes from. The short answer was Atlantis. Europe is the Atlantis that was defeated. Russia represents the Athenians. It’s a DNA memory, carried down through the ages, which we’re re-experiencing today. That’s the theory anyway. YMMV

 

[Ina]

Well, we'll have to see the 'Bibi effect' or the Israel Lobby effect. Ukraine is the main competitor to Israel in terms of european military aid. EU cannot do two.

 

[Lukasz]

This entire situation is surreal, before Trump took office I would interpret the situation, correctly perhaps, as Europe is being directed to commit suicide, militarily and financially by Washington, poor EU with such weak leaders that have no other mode than "follow the leader" and I must admit that I was waiting to see a change in the EU after the change in Washington, but then.. it's like the EU goes "no, we're going to continue to commit suicide whether you tell us to do it or not"... Unreal!

What about the power structures above the governments? I think world politics is just one big chess game played by two factions of the PTB. I suppose one side is competing with the other, using various means to control the governments of as many countries as possible, and pursuing certain agendas. For example, one faction makes money from renewable energy, the other from fossil fuels, one wants to delay the economic crash, the other wants to see it soon, one wants conflict in Europe, the other in the Middle East.

I think the EU leaders are being played by the same team that controlled the Biden administration. That's why there was no change in the EU's stance after Trump came to power, because the EU leaders don't follow the rules of Washington, but rather the faction of the PTB that also controlled the Biden administration. There has been a change in Washington, but the overseers of the EU are still the same and still want to pursue their agenda.