Trump Elected: The True MAGA Era Begins, Now What?

[Cosmos]

Possibly Trumps first video statement after the event:

JUST IN: President Trump says Zelensky wanted to come back to the White House "right now" but he wouldn't let him.

Reporter: "How long do you think it will take for Zelensky to want peace and be invited back to the White House?

Trump: "Well, he says he wants it now. He wants to… pic.twitter.com/soFrrzBkry

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) February 28, 2025

Here is a longer version of that with more details from Trump:

Trump: "Selenskij will keinen Frieden, er will uns mit reinziehen"

US-Präsident Donald Trump hat sich in einem Interview zu dem Fiasko im Zusammenhang mit dem Besuch des ukrainischen Machthabers geäußert. Präsident Trump sagte, Selenskij überschätze seine Position un

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[Cosmos]

Tulsi Gabbard talks about Zelensky and Ukraine and what happened in the Oval Office at fake news station Fox:

 

[Cosmos]

In regard to Rubio and his role: Until proven otherwise, I think there is no backbone present and he can't be trusted. I think he is just playing his role now, be it for personal reasons and/or for the deep state to have someone in the new administration. I'm pretty sure Trump and others think similarly, but I also think he could be useful in some ways for team Trump, if he is handled correctly.

 

[f1esk]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

Sounds like a great plan for the suicide of Europe.
The USA has withdrawn from the conflict, hiding behind the ocean, saying Europe should defend itself. The official ratio of European and Russian nuclear weapons is clearly not in Europe's favour. Of course they want to defeat Russia, plunder and all that, but not at any cost.

I remember asking about where this visceral hatred of Russia amongst the Europeans comes from. The short answer was Atlantis. Europe is the Atlantis that was defeated. Russia represents the Athenians. It’s a DNA memory, carried down through the ages, which we’re re-experiencing today. That’s the theory anyway. YMMV

European countries have a tradition. Once every hundred years, Europe unites to attack Russia and "get punched in the face".
The reasons are different: economic, political or personal ambitions. But the reason for the defeats, in my opinion, is the same - Europeans underestimate Russians, treat them as third-class people, as well as wishful thinking.

A good example: the death of the British cavalry in the Crimean War in Balaklava.

The British press would call the deaths of elite cavalry in distant Russia ‘a calamity unrivalled in history’. Among the dead were representatives and heirs of Britain's most noble families. Geoffrey Somerset Raglan, a descendant of the man who gave the fateful order, believes that the main reason for the death of the light cavalry brigade was the underestimation of the enemy and personal ambition of British officers.

I think this is one of the reasons why British lords, sirs, peers hate Russia, well France-Germany are just under occupation and do what the Suzerain says.

 

[Beau]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

Martin Armstrong explains that the reason the EU is spoiling for war with Russia is because their economy is in tatters and needs a war. This is probably why Zelensky acted out with Trump, he was doing what his EU bosses told him to do because they have no other way to prop up their economy.

Armstrong: "Because they all are facing the collapse of the European Union. The debt is just unbelievable. They never consolidated. Between Covid, Climate Change and sanctions on Russia, the German economy has shrunk . . . 3% to 5%. The economic growth (of the EU) is appalling. Europe is falling, and this is why they need war. So, they are backing Zelensky.”

 

[Navigator]

Someone answer me this, if European elites across UK, France and Germany essentially form a bloc to start a hot war with Russia, how does this not end in any other way other than nuclear war?

For a second while meeting in London I thought they were going to move on without the US, putting their money where their mouth is, but what they actually decided was to run their "plan" by the US. Lowkey pathetic IMO. Because it shows a complete dependency on the US for real action, and their plan will probably be rejected as-is because it involves a version of putting troops in Ukraine for "security guarantees."

 

[palestine]

Not that long ago, I read an article on Sott with a Medvedev quite angry at Europe. He would just literally say "let them be invaded by angry Muslims and we shall wait that the job is done" (etc). Those were really bold statements and, well, not very aligned with some good will.

Now we get Trump reassessing the USA's belongings and the result of it is a logical push back from Europe (it seems). Some dam have to be closed. Could be that Biden's surrealist mandate produced many "partnerships" and unwanted bounds with Europe.

And so, we would spectate a form of basic "retreat from Europe" - not necessarily bad. Some money flows have to be stopped. The result is a difficulty for Europe, as it basically "looses things".

But then, I see an illogical conclusion going by "Europe is doomed", "Europe goes to war", etc. Somehow, the losses are bound to sanity, and it's up to Europe to "react with war". Or else of course.

I am not that keen on the full acceptation of "being committed". Should Europe ask for help to the US & Russia - just a thumb - that they would receive consideration. Just an example.

And as well, people would tend to see Trump and Putin as "willing to destroy Europe" - something I believe is quite far from their basic intentions...

This suggests that the war-scenario (I mean, we are currently elaborating out of "erasing whole Europe" perspectives" - quite negative feedback loop after all) is relying on something else. Fear?

This is because above Europe, there are countries, citizens and people. I find it impractical to relate to those matters with the automatical consideration of "war-Europe-boom", it's somehow too under-considering a huge part of things.

Medvedev goes fear-porn, while Trump simply means zero intention of trouble for Europe.

I say this because, well, otherwise we would be giving in to the current main stream news feed which is "Europe goes to war". Could be it will happen, etc, but is it really "where we are"? Somehow, the European Union, acting as an irrational buffer, would head this way. Not the same as "after careful ponderation of the situation, we estimate that the best is to defend ourselves".

This is striking! Should they ask for a meeting with Trump + Putin to discuss gas-stuffs, that they would do meetings and things. For a reason unknown, they feel "committed" "to war". Even playing the clock and telling the public "we have been contacting the USA in regard of some possible energy partnerships". Now, the US has become a basic sane protagonist.

 

[Cosmos]

I think any idea of “Europe“ (or any large/powerful/western country within it) going to any kind of open/direct war against Russia pretty unrealistic at this point for many reasons. And even if some might be that crazy, I think an overwhelming majority of people would simply refuse to go to war or any frontline against the Russians. And that probably includes even many brainwashed people.

 

[palestine]

It's odd that Europe has different opportunities:

• developping the internal structure
• partnership with BRICS
• a new set of economical positive partnerships with the USA

but that they would ("allegedly"???) pick up another one, completely improductive, irrealist:

• go to war, against Russia

Such a second-to-hand-choice pick is challenging to the mind

 

[portobello]

And even if some might be that crazy, I think an overwhelming majority of people would simply refuse to go to war or any frontline against the Russians. And that probably includes even many brainwashed people.

Except that dynamic changes dramatically if digital currencies become a staple, and people have become transceivers for all kinds of signals that mess with their mental states, perceptions and core being.

 

[ziutek]

It's odd that Europe has different opportunities:

• developping the internal structure
• partnership with BRICS
• a new set of economical positive partnerships with the USA

but that they would ("allegedly"???) pick up another one, completely improductive, irrealist:

• go to war, against Russia

Such a second-to-hand-choice pick is challenging to the mind

The promotion of hatred of all things Russian in most European countries has already gone so far that a retreat is unthinkable for European officials and those in power in countries such as Poland.
Simply put, cognitive dissonance among the majority of brainwashed citizens could threaten the loss of nice jobs in offices.
They fear for themselves, and I guess that's why they are wading into the war narrative to stay in power as long as possible.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't explain this madness any other way.
Like Orwell's. War is peace and peace is war.

 

[palestine]

has already gone so far that a retreat is unthinkable for European officials

I hope they would see that they are not "cosmically committed" - well, no committed at all. Nobody even look at them any more and people want else.

cognitive dissonance among the majority of brainwashed citizens could threaten the loss of nice jobs in offices.

I see that you hint at some problem having been reaching lower structures. It made me think of the pathocracy model, and the precise concept of the psychopath going downward - I guess that Harrison KOEHLI spoke about this here:

Depathologizing America

It's mainly in the following quote:

The second point he made is just to reiterate what John describes above. Once a sufficiently saturated ponerogenic group gains a sufficient hold on a political system, that pathological structure extends downwards throughout the entire system. It is not just in the national leadership. A pathological system needs agents at all levels of society, down to the local: schools, banks, small businesses, and the institutions governing them.

But then, Harrison KOEHLI adds that the pathocracy, in the case of the US, has been stopped cold:

It took decades to build the lie, and two weeks to break it, fatally. And now the liars—those whose power seemed so entrenched, such a fool’s errand to confront—just look effete and clownish. It’s like waking from a bad dream and realizing the monster you so feared was in fact a toy poodle in drag.

(And I suppose that the above failed pathocracy was reaching Europe. And that it stopped).

Eh. Who knows. Could be that the above may be relevant in regard of my/your interrogations, as it would hint at how things are.

They would be struggling with a completely new surrounding. They would be facing a brain-disconnect-from-imperialism (well, a whole pathocracy in full fledge). I could understand some go-to-war as some basic trauma like mechanism.

I suppose that if the case, some time may help. Ahem. I don't read the news, I mean main stream news outlets - is it bad? I could barely see some form of rumbling of war behind the scene. All that "Putin is the devil" stuff now finds echo in the people's minds. AKA "let's pursue on that line". But unfortunately Trump has severed the main feeding, so what remains is people themselves, with yes, an additional level still encouraging the "Putin is the devil" stuff, but it's not that high as it was. Could be hope.

 

[Mike]

Martin Armstrong explains that the reason the EU is spoiling for war with Russia is because their economy is in tatters and needs a war.

He paints a pretty grim future for Europe. Specifically, that he is seeing the money flows via his Socrates system which indicates that rich people are moving their money from Europe in preparation for and ahead of war and capital controls. And that Europe will lose and the EU will go away. All of that would be really tumultuous for those in the EU, to say the least.

He also says that Trump should basically leave Nato and not get sucked into the conflict that Europe leaders seem to be begging for. Given all that has transpired in the last week or so, it seems to me that is really the only sane course of action for Trump to take. Cut off funding to Ukraine, and if the crazies in Europe still want to try to go to war, then leave Nato and let them have at it...

With Starmer and Macron going to Washington, the whole debacle in White House with Zelensky, and then his trip and meetings in Europe afterwards all seems like a ploy to try to throw Trump off his plans for ending the war and peace. I think they will fail, barring some kind of false flag action and trap that Trump falls for, and lord help us if they try to go it alone against Russia in Ukraine.

October 19th 2024

A: Pay attention to last final messages. Things are really heating up. There are certifiable, insane persons in positions of power. Goodbye.

There really are literally insane people in charge at the EU and most European countries. They have no chance of any success against Russia in the Ukraine, and elsewhere, without the backing of the US.

 

[palestine]

The latest article from Harrison KOEHLI states that the US pathocracy was using capitalism as a vehicle (and that it stopped):

Pathocracy Rising: How Economic Systems Breed Deviants

The current system developed as financial capitalism replaced manufacturing, elevating the banking sector over the productive economy.

What we are seeing is the conflict between two incompatible worldviews and practices. On the one hand there is financial capitalism and usury. On the other: traditional Western conservatism based on productive labor.

In this sense financial capitalism is very similar to communism. As the system gains supremacy, those running the system will become progressively more saturated with those for whom the system works on a fundamental level, value-wise.

Communism and financial capitalism attract psychopaths of all descriptions.

The recent revelations about USAID demonstrate this perfectly. The CIA, after adopting political/psychological warfare strategies, weaponized this playbook worldwide to spread “democracy” and “liberalism.”

I do believe that the US has been vectoring its pathocracy to Europe. I am not fully qualified to answer several questions, and I am wondering if Europe has now to deal with the same pathocracy that was in the USA - namely "infecting capitalism" or if it's another form.

Did they develop another fashion of pathocracy, just for Europe? Or is the healing to be found in capitalist areas as well?

Now that the US pathocracy died, the whole backbone for this specific one died too. Was Europe completely relying on it?

In any case, here in Europe, we got something like "a Biden" - some leaders may have been turned into Biden's - and while in the US the issue has been solved, here, it's still operating. But then, it could be that the whole power behind "Biden leaders" was relating to the US. No more power for it. A lot of if's, sorry.

 

[ziutek]

palestine:
"I suppose that if the case, some time may help. Ahem. I don't read the news, I mean main stream news outlets - is it bad? I could barely see some form of rumbling of war behind the scene. All that "Putin is the devil" stuff now finds echo in the people's minds. AKA "let's pursue on that line". But unfortunately Trump has severed the main feeding, so what remains is people themselves, with yes, an additional level still encouraging the "Putin is the devil" stuff, but it's not that high as it was. Could be hope."

I hope so, too.
Maybe it's only still through inertia that this madness moves forward after the US power cut.