Trump's 'Liberation Day': US govt imposes tariffs to 'reset' global trade, 'MAGA', 'defeat' China - Will it work?

This doesn't make any sense. You acknowledge the greed and unwiseness of what you are doing, yet somehow you think this will help people "gain new awareness about the reality we live in"?

The fact that the current system will most likely be renewed or replaced is pretty obvious. You are certainly not the only one seeing this. And this has nothing to do with whether your greed pays off or not with the XRP leveraged trading.
Yes it doesn't. It's an attempt to give ( service to others)by showing my confidence in what I see by putting my money where my mouth is. Other than that it's not important at all.

I give up sharing more here, at least for now. It is true you can't give to those who aren't asking/open to receive new information, as was evident here by most responses being critisism, denial, immediate rejection or ignoring etc., instead of curiosity/desire to possibly acquire new knowledge about reality, or about ideas I shared.

There is new information and ideas I presented here (more than one). One big example being the information that it's not the news, it's not Trump that is influencing the markets/charts movement in price, it is the cycles/the waves, and the global liquidity cycle.

Still even many people that are here, are having difficulty coming to terms with that part of objective reality of the the world we live in.

As far as I can tell, there are no RWA projects on the XRP blockchain, but there are a few stablecoins on it. However, XRP stablecoins are hardly used compared to the stablecoins on Tether, Solana, Ethereum and Tron.

From all this it does not look like XRP will become the center of the renewed system.

 
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Ok. The last attempt at sharing.

Let's say you're right: you have cracked the code.

I just think (based on a lot of confluencing pieces of data) that I see what is about to happen with the price of XRP and will reflect it's trajectory towards real world global adoption.

I believe the powerful primary wave 3 (marked in purple) in the cycle wave 5 is about to start (in earnest) for XRP price chart, that will take the price of XRP from 2.3$ (currently) to just below 26$. What happened in November 2024. after Trump's reelection was a primary wave 1. Primary wave 2 ended with tariffs announcement.

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Primary wave 3 already started after tariffs announcement. Intermediate wave 1 and 2 (marked in blue) are completed, and minor wave 1 and 2 (marked in red) are also completed. What is about to follow are cascading wave 3s and 5s that will manifest as a explosive move towards 1.618 fib extension at around 26$ in a short period of time lasting only weeks and likely ending around the end of June or early July.

The fractal/pattern of intermediate wave 1 and 2 and minor wave 1 and 2 from the primary wave 1 before November last year, is repeating (marked with purple line and green triangle/wedge) since the tariffs announcement at around 7th of April, only the ascending line is steeper. Notice the falling wedge (marked in green) is being completed and about to break soon by the minor wave 3 of the intermediate wave 3 of the cycle wave 3, just like it did 5th of November (remember remember the 5th of November..it was all planned and written in the chart long ago) by the minor wave 3 of the intermediate wave 3 of the cycle wave 1.

Look.

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Global money supply is currently rising (due to weakening of the dollar index) like a tide lifting all markets up.
Bitcoin is about to start it's parabolic end of the cycle phase (where true herd gets stampeded in).
Bitcoin dominance (percentage BTC in total crypto market cap) is at a peak and about to fall down signaling the transfer of liquidity that wss pumped into BTC, to other digital coins, especially those who are at the part of their cycle/waves that is best ready to receive (like XRP oh so coincidentally is).
XRPs Primary wave 1 around November last year multiplied it's price by 6-7x withoit bitcoin dominance even having fallen down into the true "altcoin season". What do you think is going to happen this time when it does? Doing 8-10x will be no problem for XRP price chart to do, even from it's current market cap.

And I also theorise that the Cycle wave 5 (marked in black) that would complete the supercycle wave 1 of XRP price chart, might coincide with the peak of the Grand supercycle of the stock market (Dow Jones index), the end of the whole current cycle.The end of stock market as we know it, the end of money as we know it. And a restart/transformation into a new kind of financial system, that will be based on XRP. After all, the technology is superior to the current system.

But that's speculating a bit too far in advance.
But also it could be related to Cs warning "No dice(money printing) tonight(at the eve of transition). Wait and see. You will be shocked(we will be struck instead of the money being minted.. maybe we will be our own central banks, that might be an improvement compared to how the system keeps us chained now. Let's wait and see."

One thing seems clear and highly likely from where I stand. Your dollars and euros and pesos are soon going to fall significantly in XRP value. It's risky coins to hold right now. And not to mention that working for them snd using them (fiat currencies) is also supporting the system of enslavement. Remember the tool/vessel of money is neither good or bad, it is how we use/apply it, what counts.
 
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This is what happened after green triangle broke, and how primary wave 1 looked like. Wave 1 is usually the smallest of the 3 expansive elliott waves, wave 3 and/or 5 tend to be the largest most expansive waves (as you can see in the smaller degree waves of in the XRP chart in it's primary wave 1):

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And it is holding support at prior multi year long resistance of the cycle wave 4:
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What elliott waves(5-3-5 waves) look like:
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And the scale of each of the elliott wave degrees (to better understand my previous post):
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No more TACOs

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit temporarily reinstated President Donald Trump's sweeping tariffs, overturning a Wednesday ruling by the U.S. Court of International Trade that had blocked them.

The appeals court issued an administrative stay, allowing the tariffs to remain in place pending further review, with plaintiffs ordered to respond by June 5 and the administration by June 9. The decision has caused market uncertainty, with analysts noting potential economic impacts, including $34 billion in lost sales and higher costs for companies.


"America can not function, if President Trump, or any other president for that matter, has their sensitive, diplomatic or trade negotiations railroaded by activist judges.” said Leavitt


Section 232 grants the President broad authority to impose tariffs or other trade restrictions on imports if they are deemed a threat to U.S. national security. The Department of Commerce conducts an investigation to assess whether imports harm national security.

 
Well I suggest you do the same and don't waste your time.


If you want to make yourself visible to even get your pass to the private forum possibly confrontation is not a good idea. You are in the forum for 18 years. So bye, I am well within my rights to ignore you (there is even an ignore button on the forum, use it)​
This is such a childish tantrum, as if you are a 12 years old as @Nienna pointed out.

Several people have given you feedback that you seem to have a negative bias towards Trump and are often missing or ignoring the context. You even admitted that you do not even follow the discussion in the main Trump thread, yet you keep posting a lot about Trump.

I asked you before what your intent is: Is it to get to a more objective perception of reality or to just keep doubling down in stubbornly pushing your subjective view?

If you think that pointing out things like that is "confrontational" and needs to be even more firmly ignored, then so be it. You are projecting your own anger and aggressive behaviour on others.
 
@Puma, given some of your responses to feedback lately, it's looking more and more like you have a pretty fragile ego and haven't done much emotional or psychological Work at all.

None of us can actually see ourselves clearly - at least not until we are capable of thinking about ourselves objectively, thinking about our thinking, our emotions, our reactions, etc. To do that, we often need the help of others to see our blindspots. We also need a certain openness to receiving feedback, which you don't seem to be capable of. It's pretty normal, actually - but often it means that the Predator Mind has something to hide, or the foreign installation of the False Personality is holding on for dear life to its territory.

How many times have the C's urged people to network, network, network? I don't think I need to fill this post with citations. Being open to feedback is Networking 101, which the C's have said is crucial for getting through these times. You don't seem open at all. But can you see that you're not? And can you give the reason why?

Anyways, I think it would be a good idea for you to focus less on prophecies, earthquakes, and the economy - external world stuff - and more on yourself, your internal world. After all, the C's have said that the priorities are:

Session 16 August 2014


Q: (L) Okay, is there any final bit of advice, or any last thing to say before we shut down for the night?

A: Just work daily at becoming more aware on three levels

  1. Body and immediate environment,
  2. Wider world affairs,
  3. Cosmos and spirit.
Q: (L) Shouldn't "spirit" go with "Body and immediate environment"?

A: No, it is via the first steps that one achieves cosmic consciousness.
 
Moments ago President Trump issued a statement sharing his thoughts on the U.S. Court of International Trade's action to block the tariffs. He also names a person named Leonardo Leo. According to research he is an American conservative lawyer and activist, known for his influence on the U.S. judicial system, especially in the selection of conservative judges for the Supreme Court and other federal courts. He is a key figure in the Federalist Society which Trump mentions he is disappointed in.

Trump mentioned Leonard Leo, calling him a "sleazebag" and suggesting he hates America.

Leo has played a crucial role in the nomination of judges during the Donald Trump administration, helping to select Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.

Smells of betrayal.

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We have gone from “reciprocal tariffs,” to a 90-day tariff pause, to the US Court of International Trade reversing tariffs, to a US Appeals Court overturning the Court of International Trade.

Coincidence?

Incidentally, elections will be held in Mexico to elect magistrates and judges, including those of the Supreme Court of Justice of the Nation (SCJN). This change has generated an intense debate on its impact on democracy, judicial independence and the justice system.

On the one hand we have Trump having some disputes with the Court like the one he had with John Roberts who criticized Trump for attacking federal judge James Boasberg, who blocked deportations of Venezuelans under the Alien Enemies Act of 1798. Trump called the judge a "lunatic" and called for his removal, prompting Roberts to issue a rare statement defending judicial independence and calling the removal request "inappropriate."

On the other hand, the people of Mexico are about to give all the power to Claudia Sheinbaum's regime as she would get judges and magistrates who fully support the 4T project.
 
It seems that the TACO issue touched a nerve. The latest chapter of the US-China romance ended in reconciliation. Now Trump says he saved China from a Tiananmen Square 2.0 event.



According to comments from some Americans, Trump's strategy is working. It is forcing consumers not to rely on imports.


Grok explain PCE

PCE stands for Personal Consumption Expenditures, a key economic indicator used to measure the total value of goods and services consumed by individuals in an economy. It’s often used to gauge consumer spending behavior and inflation.

Here’s a concise explanation:

What is PCE?

Definition: PCE tracks the money spent by individuals on goods (durable and non-durable) and services in a given period, typically monthly or quarterly.

Source: Compiled by the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA).

Role: It’s a primary measure of consumer spending, which accounts for roughly 70% of U.S. GDP, making it critical for assessing economic health.

 
Trump announces that 50% aluminum tariffs would go into effect on June 4. I found one of the responses interesting so I asked Grok to analyze it:​


Let’s break down the claims in the statement to assess their accuracy based on available data and insights, while critically examining the narrative and addressing each component.

Claim 1: "80% of the primary aluminum we need is smelt outside of the US"

Analysis: This claim appears to be broadly accurate but requires context. The United States has become heavily reliant on imported primary aluminum due to a significant decline in domestic smelting capacity. According to a 2022 Congressional Research Service report, the U.S. accounted for less than 2% of global primary aluminum production in 2021, ranking ninth globally. The U.S. imports a substantial amount of its primary aluminum, with Canada being the largest supplier, accounting for over 75% of Canadian production exported to the U.S. in 2021. A 2020 Federal Register report noted that the U.S. imports around 4 million tons of aluminum annually, indicating a high import dependency.

While the exact figure of "80%" is not explicitly confirmed in the sources, the significant decline in U.S. primary aluminum production (from 20 smelters in 2000 to just four in 2024) and the reliance on imports, particularly from Canada, suggest that a large majority—likely close to or exceeding 80%—of the primary aluminum used in the U.S. is smelted abroad. This aligns with the claim, though the precise percentage may vary depending on the year and specific demand metrics.

Verdict: Likely true, with the caveat that the exact 80% figure is an approximation but consistent with high U.S. import dependency.

Claim 2: "No new smelting for 10+ years because we don’t have the electrical infrastructure to support it"

Analysis: This claim has two parts: the absence of new smelting capacity for over a decade and the reason being insufficient electrical infrastructure.

No new smelting for 10+ years: This is partially accurate. No new primary aluminum smelters have been built in the U.S. since the 1980s until recently, with the exception of a new smelter announced in 2024 by Century Aluminum, funded by a $500 million Biden-Harris administration grant. This will be the first new U.S. smelter in 45 years, indicating no new smelters have been constructed in at least the last decade. However, some existing smelters have been restarted or expanded since the 2018 Section 232 tariffs, such as the New Madrid smelter in 2018, though it was later idled in 2024. Thus, while no new smelters were built, there have been some restarts, which slightly complicates the claim.

Insufficient electrical infrastructure: This is a significant factor and largely true. Primary aluminum smelting is highly energy-intensive, with electricity accounting for up to 40% of production costs. Many U.S. smelters, such as the Intalco and Wenatchee smelters, have closed or been idled due to high electricity costs and the inability to secure affordable, long-term power contracts, particularly for clean energy. For example, Alcoa’s Intalco smelter closure in 2023 was partly due to the failure to secure a below-market-rate energy contract. A post on X also highlights the challenge, noting that setting up a new smelter would require a power grid capable of committing to 20+ years of service, which is difficult to secure. The aging U.S. electrical infrastructure and reliance on high-cost fossil fuel-based power (e.g., coal for the New Madrid smelter) put U.S. smelters at a disadvantage compared to countries like Canada, which use cheaper hydroelectric power.

However, the claim oversimplifies by suggesting electrical infrastructure is the sole barrier. Other factors, such as high Chinese exports, global overcapacity, and environmental regulations, have also contributed to the decline of U.S. smelting. The new Century Aluminum smelter project indicates that with significant government investment, infrastructure challenges can be addressed, though it will take years to operationalize.

Verdict: Mostly true. No new smelters have been built in over a decade (closer to 45 years until the 2024 announcement), and electrical infrastructure limitations, particularly access to affordable and clean energy, are a major barrier. However, other economic and competitive factors also play a role.

Claim 3: "Every 1 primary aluminum job supports 7 downstream"

Analysis: This claim suggests a multiplier effect where each primary aluminum job supports seven jobs in downstream industries (e.g., rolling, extruding, or manufacturing products like aluminum sheets, plates, or extrusions). The sources do not provide a direct 1:7 ratio, but they do support a significant downstream job impact. A 2018 Economic Policy Institute report notes that Section 232 tariffs led to over 2,000 new jobs in downstream aluminum industries from 22 new and expansion projects, while primary aluminum restarts created over 1,000 jobs. A 2021 report further states that 55 downstream projects supported nearly 4,500 additional workers. These figures suggest a substantial multiplier effect, though not precisely 1:7

The Aluminum Association’s 2024 report indicates that the U.S. aluminum industry (including primary, secondary, and downstream segments) supports nearly 700,000 jobs (direct, indirect, and induced) and $228 billion in economic impact. While primary aluminum jobs have declined by nearly 70% since 2013, mid- and downstream jobs (e.g., sheet/plate and recycling) have grown or remained steady, indicating a strong downstream dependency. A post on X claims that one Canadian aluminum job supports 13 American jobs, suggesting an even higher multiplier for cross-border supply chains, but this is not directly comparable to the 1:7 claim for U.S. primary jobs.

The 1:7 ratio may be an estimate or exaggeration, but the broader point that primary aluminum jobs support multiple downstream jobs is supported by the economic interconnectedness of the aluminum value chain. The exact ratio depends on the definition of “downstream” and the economic model used (e.g., IMPLAN models cited in).

Verdict: Plausible but not directly verified. The 1:7 ratio is not explicitly confirmed, but primary aluminum production supports significant downstream employment, likely in a comparable range.

Claim 4: "This will kill US aluminum jobs"

● Analysis: This claim is alarmist and speculative, implying that the reliance on foreign smelting and lack of new smelting capacity will devastate U.S. aluminum jobs. The reality is nuanced: Primary aluminum jobs: The U.S. primary aluminum sector has already seen significant job losses, with 18 of 23 smelters closing between 2010 and 2017, eliminating roughly 13,000 jobs. The closure of smelters like New Madrid in 2024 and Intalco in 2023 further reduced primary jobs. Only four smelters remain operational, with a combined capacity of about 650,000 tons. The decline in primary production, driven by high energy costs, global competition, and aging facilities, has already severely impacted jobs in this sector.

● Downstream and secondary jobs: Despite the decline in primary production, mid- and downstream aluminum jobs (e.g., rolling, extruding, and recycling) have remained stable or grown. The Aluminum Association reports that 98% of U.S. aluminum jobs are in mid- and downstream segments, with growth in recycling (+12.5%) and sheet/plate (+6.0%) jobs between 2022 and 2024. The U.S. has offset some primary production losses with increased secondary (recycled) aluminum production, which accounted for 78% of U.S. aluminum production in 2021. Investments in recycling, such as Golden Aluminum’s Next Generation Mini Mill, further support job growth in less energy-intensive segments.

● Future outlook: The claim that reliance on foreign smelting “will kill” jobs ignores mitigating factors. The new Century Aluminum smelter, expected to double U.S. primary capacity, could create jobs, though it will take years to complete. Federal investments through the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA) and decarbonization grants are supporting the industry, particularly in recycling and downstream segments. However, continued reliance on imports, especially from Canada, which is part of the U.S. defense supply chain, may not necessarily “kill” jobs if downstream industries continue to thrive. The X post’s alarmist tone may reflect sentiment about the vulnerability of primary jobs but overlooks the resilience of downstream and secondary segments.

Verdict: Partially true but exaggerated. The decline in primary aluminum production has already reduced jobs in that sector, and infrastructure limitations pose ongoing challenges. However, downstream and recycling jobs are stable or growing, and new investments may mitigate further losses. The claim overstates the immediate threat to the broader aluminum industry.

Overall Assessment

The statement is mostly accurate but contains some simplifications and exaggerations:

The U.S. does rely heavily on imported primary aluminum (likely around 80%).No new smelters have been built in over a decade (until the 2024 announcement), and electrical infrastructure is a significant barrier, though not the only one.

The 1:7 job multiplier is plausible but not directly verified, though primary jobs do support significant downstream employment. The claim that this “will kill US aluminum jobs” is alarmist, as downstream and recycling jobs are resilient, and new investments may create opportunities, though primary jobs remain at risk.

End of Grok Analysis.

Very revealing, isn't it? This is why Trump would be seeking a third term, there is no time, 4 years is not enough. Xi Jinping has been in power for 12 years as China's top leader and Vladimir Putin has been in power for 25 years, considering his terms as president and prime minister of Russia.

 
I’m actually really surprised the way Puma ignore the comments towards him, laugh at the observation of others and carry on with his views on Trump.

I told them not to make him angry if they already know how temperamental he is. Trade war risk is back on the table.

So you are assuming that all the measurements he is taking is because he gets angry? Sure, I would say his “anger” may push some of his agenda, but it’s not like he acts alone or everybody does as he says. At this point, you should know that even thought he did some progress dealing with shadow government, the US is still pretty much being used for major purposes in many areas and Trump can also be manipulated.
 
So you are assuming that all the measurements he is taking is because he gets angry?

It's just a bit of humor on my part. I'm sorry if I caused you any feelings by being politically incorrect. I guess I missed the smiley face emoji to make you feel at ease. But if I put it, now, maybe, just maybe, you will feel offended, but it's not the intention.

Cheers, take it easy.
 
At this point, you should know that even thought he did some progress dealing with shadow government, the US is still pretty much being used for major purposes in many areas and Trump can also be manipulated.

irjO this sounds more like a cult than a reality to me, forgive me for not sharing the ideas. And yes, I have also mentioned on other occasions that Trump is being manipulated or as Lavrov said is not being fully briefed. As in the case of the photos of the alleged genocide in South Africa, whoever gave those photos to the president should have been fired and publicly exposed like this guy named Leonard Leo. But hey, for that we have another thread dedicated to talk about Trump/MAGA. This one is or was supposed to talk about tariffs, global trade and the trade war, right? Outside of messianic ideas, but there are those who have taken it too personally.

For all I hope you don't want a thread dedicated to praising Trump. From my side I will talk about the good and the bad that is going on in this trade war thing. The TACO thing from a purely business perspective and not patriotic or messianic, Trump has earned it in spades. Has he done the right thing...we remain to be seen, but it looks like he is not going to have time. Possibly this would be different if he hadn't been robbed of the presidency in 2020 and we can't change that anymore.

See you when I see you.
 
For all I hope you don't want a thread dedicated to praising Trump. From my side I will talk about the good and the bad that is going on in this trade war thing. The TACO thing from a purely business perspective and not patriotic or messianic, Trump has earned it in spades. Has he done the right thing...we remain to be seen, but it looks like he is not going to have time. Possibly this would be different if he hadn't been robbed of the presidency in 2020 and we can't change that anymore.
Trump is kind of a known risk taker so the TACO thing really makes no sense. Basically his risk taking can both be praised and be called something that likely won't work but it's better than what has been going on for decades. Trump in his younger days didn't like Japanese imports and then didn't like Chinese imports. When asked years ago on the Oprah Winfrey Show about running for president, he said since politics is so mean he hoped some other president in the future would do what needed to be done but he thought he could be good at politics. Trump kind of waited too long and at this point he has to do risky things.

Here's kind of a good description of his risky scheme:


The exception is Mr. Trump, a businessman-outsider to government trying to pull off an escape from the deadly debt quandary. It's probably impossible, but he is trying nonetheless. It has three main features: 1) to readjust trade relations that, in theory, would restore industrial production across the land — a bootstrapping operation to kick off "growth." 2) to engineer a severe re-set of the money system that would effectively amount to defaulting on debt but somehow without the feature of disappearing money. At best, this would induce some kind of fall in living standards, but mostly among the small sector of financial buccaneers who thrive on swindles and the Boomers living on investment accounts (figment wealth), who are now dying off anyway — which is to say, Great Depression Lite. And 3) the least understood feature of Trumpism: to decouple the USA from the resource scarcity in the rest of the world, and the consequent strife it's inducing, and withdraw into a sort of Fortress North America that can somehow carry-on self-sufficiently while everybody else collapses.

As big pictures go, this is a pretty wild one, stupendously ambitious, risky, and perhaps improbable. But what do Mr. Trump's domestic opponents have to offer? To go back to their asset-stripping operation with its insane sideshow of race-and-sexual hoaxes and hustles? Let's face it, the Democratic Party has utterly shot its wad. If it tries to start another civil war, it will have its ass handed to it. Despite all the desperate, rear-guard lawfare underway now, the party is already withdrawing into the political thickets to hide while it considers some drastic reorganization of its purpose and personnel. It may skulk there for many years, just as it did between James Buchanan (1857) and Grover Cleveland (1885).

And despite his daunting agenda, Mr. Trump at least presents a sense of confident determination to get the country righted in some fashion, to recover a sense of purpose and enterprise after years of feckless, dissipative drift into the hallucinatory madness of the Left. You must give him a chance. There is no one else right now with no other way.
 

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