UFO experiences of a friend

aragorn

The Living Force
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Today we had some friends and their kids for dinner and it turned out that the mother has seen quite a few UFO:s in her past!

The discussion started when she, let's call her Mary, saw my copy of Dolan's first book on UFO:s lying on the piano. She asked if I've read it and what I thought about the whole subject. I explained briefly what Dolan's book was about and then, because I didn't know how much she had been exposed to the subject, I made a short 'diplomatic' remark of how there was enough evidence to prove that the phenomena was for real - something was going on in the skies, but no one can know for sure what it is.

Mary then asked me if I've had any personal experiences regarding UFO:s, like sightings. I sensed that she wanted to tell me something, so after I debriefed shortly of my sighting of a 'lightning ball' (I remember seeing a ball of lightning moving along the street where I lived), I asked: "Well, how about you - have you seen anything?"

Mary gave me quite a surprise by saying: "Yeah, you know, there's been quite a few incidents. I've seen 'some things' personally three times, my mother has seen things many times and my grandma has also many very strange stories to tell." She seemed quite relieved to get this out of her chest. It turned out that she had only told about these experiences to her husband (who luckily takes her seriously) and to one very close friend, but since neither of them are interested in the subject there isn't much to discuss with them.

Okay, so while she's telling me this we have our son and two of their sons running around in the apartment playing and making noise. Needless to say, it was a bit difficult to discuss these things with that going on! Besides, we didn't want to scare the kids with our 'strange talk'. But every time there was some pause (so we could hear each other!) she went on with her story. Mary's encounters probably aren't spectacular on a grand scale, but I sense that there's a lot more that she wasn't telling me (and that she possibly doesn't remember) - and that this is only the tip of the ice berg. Here's what she told:

Case 1:

Mary and her mother were driving home late one night. Suddenly they saw in the distance a large glowing object hovering just above the treetops. The mother asked Mary if she was seeing the same as she was, which she did. They drove closer (because the highway went right beside the object) until they were beside it - but quite far away. Mary said she could see some metallic parts, but mostly it was just a huge glowing object of some sort [She didn't get the chance to describe it in more detail]. They got very frightened, and so they accelerated the car for all it was worth and drove away. Not wanting to frighten her, I asked her in a humorous tone: "Did you experience any time loss?" She said no, they did get on time to where they were heading.

Case 2:

Mary was watching out her window one night, admiring the starry night sky, when she suddenly saw a star moving in a peculiar way. After a while, the star got a little bit bigger. And it kept growing! Finally she realized that this thing was heading right towards her window. Screaming Mary run out of her room in total panic. But there was no crash. Being scared she phoned her husband (he was in another town). He did try to calm her down, but still Mary couldn't sleep at all that night - she was too frightened.

Case 3:

Mary and her friend had parked their car at the mall one evening. Suddenly they saw a 'dancing ball of light' in the sky. Mary said that this thing was making maneuvers that no plane or helicopter could possibly do. They watched this thing a short moment until it faded away.

Mary did say that her mother had many even spookier encounters, but that she didn't want to discuss them right now. A little bit later, while at the play ground, we talked about the subject a little bit more. I told her a little bit about John Keel's theories, being careful not to scare her with anything too shocking. She then opened up a little bit more, telling how every once in a while she has these 'intergalactic dreams' where she's taken to other planets, and where there are other humans as well. Having just read all the books by Karla Turner, this comment made the hair in my neck stand up! She then added that she's scared to be alone and that she does NOT want to read UFO related books because they scare her. I felt a knot in my stomach; these were typical symptoms of an abductee! I did not tell her that, of course.

Before Mary left with her family I gave her my e-mail address, just in case she wanted to talk more about the subject. She seemed very relieved to have a person to talk about these things. Well, it remains to be seen if she will write to me anything. And I'm not saying that I will be able to help her, but I'm offering to listen if she wants to. And I did tell her, that I can recommend some great reading on the subject if and when she's ready for it.

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I can't help thinking that my sudden 'need' to read the UFO books in the past months is in some way related to this meeting with Mary. And I'm not sure if this is a positive thing either. It could be the 'cosmic tricksters' way of luring me into something, some difficulties. On the other hand, it could be that Mary needs help and the fact that we met today and talked has maybe given her some relief. But I'm very sceptic about any 'signs' of any sort, they are usually misleading.
 
Thinking about my talk with Mary and what she told me kept me awake most of the night. What kept bothering me was the fact that every time Mary started to tell about her UFO experiences, I noticed that I started dissociating. It was like she was moving somewhere far away and I was 'stepping out of myself'. I'm not sure why this was happening, but laying awake thinking about it, I realized that this dissociating felt very familiar. Well, I'm sure there have been many reasons for my dissosiatings in my youth, like the behavior of my always drunk father. But still, I was surprised that the subject of UFO:s had such a strong effect on me.

It's one thing to read about UFO:s and abductions in books, and apparently a whole other thing to hear it from a good friend, face to face. At least this is what happened to me. Another rather ungortunate development is that now my wife is pretty scared, at least last night she was. She overheard some of our discussion and afterwards she wanted to know the whole story. I assured her that knowledge does protect, meaning that it's probably better for her and Mary to talk and learn about the subject than to hide the head in the sand. I could be wrong, but this seemed to cheer her up a bit.
 
Aragorn said:
It's one thing to read about UFO:s and abductions in books, and apparently a whole other thing to hear it from a good friend, face to face. At least this is what happened to me. Another rather ungortunate development is that now my wife is pretty scared, at least last night she was. She overheard some of our discussion and afterwards she wanted to know the whole story. I assured her that knowledge does protect, meaning that it's probably better for her and Mary to talk and learn about the subject than to hide the head in the sand. I could be wrong, but this seemed to cheer her up a bit.


Hi Aragorn, Perhaps this session may help, in giving your wife a clear and better picture to copping with the nature of the beast. When i read this way back in the mid 90's i remember, i was in sticker shock for while. But i came to realise that i was given a tremendous gift, and wake up call, and aim glad 4 it. :cool2:

March 11, 1995: Laura, Terry, Jan, SV
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/cassiopaeans/cassiopaeans10.htm#March11,1995

Q: (L) I assume that you/us have been listening to our/your conversation on finances...

A: As always.

Q: (L) Now, what we would like to know is, can you give us pointers in this regard, or reassurances, because we are still 3rd density and need reassurance in some respects, as to how to deal with this situation.
A: You are still 3rd density enough to need a lot of things, my love!

Q: [Oooh!] (L) Yes, but you didn’t answer the question!

(T) They are good at that.
A: RTB Review memory.

Q: (L) Okay, you said you were making financial arrangements for us...
A: RTB RTLTHEBSHS

Q: (L) Is this a code?
A: RTL, THE, BSHS...

Q: (Laura and Jan) RATTLE THE BUSHES! [Groans]
A: As you are doing, network!

Q: (L) So, we need to get more stuff and send more stuff out, and do like Frank said and look for sponsors and so forth.
A: Ask Eugene Brown about money, he will not likely give, but may know someone who will! Do you now see the process?

Q: (S) A government grant? [Laughter]
A: Nyet.

Q: [Much laughter] (T) Let’s ask Newt!

(L) Nyet on Newt!

(T) Ask Gene Brown?
A: Nyet on Newt! Mirth.

Q: (T) So, there are no Republicans on 6th level... now, what happened, Laura, when you were looking for the correct Reiki teacher?

(L) I asked if I knew someone who knew someone who knew the correct Reiki...

(T) And the Cassiopaeans said Helen Davis. And, when they said that, you said: “Well, Helen doesn’t believe in Reiki.” Yet Helen knew the person with the correct lineage and teachings.
A: Trust.

Q: (T) But, you didn’t know she knew someone, yet she sent you to the person you needed to find.

(L) Right.

(T) And, now they are suggesting Gene Brown. He won’t give us the help, but he will tell us someone to go see. Is it not the same?

(J) He forks out every month to pay for the Newsletter and it costs about $150 a month to print that out.

(L) Jan, didn’t you have a question you wanted to ask?

(J) Yes... I wanted to ask about that “psycho- power”

(L) Where’s the envelope the ad came in? There it is... there is the psycho-power thing...

(J) Yes, and how come they misspelled my name... [Laura waves envelope with ad in air]

(L) You see this guys? We would like to know if this is...
A: “Karnak the Magnificent”

Q: (J) OH!

(L) What’s the matter?

(J) Well, that’s confirmation enough for me!!

(L) What do you mean?

(J) We were talking about Karnak in the car on the way up today! You know, the Johnny Carson skit.

(L) Oh!

(T) Karnak gave the answer to questions that were sealed in envelopes. It was always a joke. He would give a straight answer to a question that turned out to be a joke. “Humptey Dumptey had a great fall,” is the one I remember, and the question was “What happened to Humptey Dumptey when Misses September, October and November moved into his apartment complex.”

[Groans] Bad jokes.

(F) He would frequently use a play on words for that skit. If there was someone whose name was in the news a lot, he would say something like: “Alexander Haig” and then they would open up the envelope and the question would be “who is the father of the son of Alexander Haig.”

[Groans]

(L) Well, we can save our money on that one.

(J) Guys, I am still skeptical of this...

(L) What do you mean?

(J) This whole thing... I really am... and for that to come through like that after Terry and I were joking about that in the car on the way here, and they picked that out specifically... just blows me away... I am sorry.

(F) That’s okay. Until you get something that you can literally put trust in, it isn’t really real for you.

(J) Yes, like Laura’s was...

(L) Actually the biggest one was...

(J) George R. Kidd...

(L) Actually there have been several... the 666 thing was not in anybody’s subconscious, I know... none of us could have known about the Coptic number-letter relationship... and the thing about...

(J) I think we each have to have our own personal thing...

(L) And I have had to have so many of them, and still, with so many of them piling up, every once in a while I still go into my doubt mode...

(J) We all do....

(L) What is this, are we deluding ourselves, is this a master deception by some entity.

(J) My friend Ann over in Palatka, who publishes that newsletter, the UFOlogist. We played around with the board one weekend when I went to stay with her. We got this really strange entity, and it didn’t really go much of anywhere, but one phrase came through that was very clear that I had seen on a tv episode several days before, and the other one that came through that got me was the night before we went to that charity event and the first word that came up was Poinsettias, and we asked what it meant and the Cassiopaeans answered that it just came to mind. Well, when we went to that event the next night, there were Poinsettias all over the place.

(T) Yeah, that country club was just filled with Poinsettias.
A: Hand on. [Laura had hand off while looking for papers and puts hand on planchette when requested.]

Q: (T) Okay, what...
A: Put your hand in the hand of the Cassiopaeans! Put your hand in the hand of the “Man” who rides the wave! [Laughter]

Q: (T) Oh, I like that one.

(L) We need to get to our questions...

(J) Gene thinks we need to put a book together on predictions...

(L) I think the words of Jesus on that matter are appropriate: “It is a weak and faithless generation that seeketh after a sign.”

(T) We were talking about that earlier in the car... that the predictions are minor things compared to what we are actually getting, and that if you have the knowledge, you don’t need the predictions because you already know that something is going to happen and you know that things are not necessarily “set” until just before they happen...
A: Ask.

Q: (L) At one point we were told that time was an illusion that came into being at the “time” of the “Fall” in Eden, and this was said in such a way that I inferred that there were other illusions put into place at that time...
A: Time is an illusion that works for you because of your altered DNA state.

Q: (L) Okay, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.

Q: (L) What is another one of the illusions?
A: The need for physical aggrandizement.

Q: (L) The focus on the physical as the thing one needs to hold onto or protect.
(T) Is separate the key word in regard to Monotheism?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) What is another of the illusions?
A: Linear focus.

Q: (L) Anything else at this time?
A: Unidimensionality.

Q: (L) The veil...

(J) The perception of only one dimension...

(L) Were these illusions programmed into us genetically through our DNA?
A: Close.

Q: (L) Are there any others we should cover at this point?
A: Are you finished with the concept?

Q: (L) Well, I don’t know. Can you tell us a little bit about how these illusions are enforced on us, how they are perceived by us?
A: If someone opens a door, and behind it you see a pot of gold, do you worry whether there is a poisonous snake behind the door hidden from view, before you reach for the pot of gold?

Q: (L) What does the gold represent?
A: Temptation to limitation.

Q: (L) What does the door represent?
A: Opening for limitation.

Q: (L) Was limitation presented as a pot of gold when, in fact, it was not? Was this a trick?
A: What is snake?

Q: (T) The Lizards?
(J) Danger.

(L) Okay, who opened the door.

(J) We did.
(T) No, what is the snake.
A: No.

Q: (L) Does that mean we did not open the door?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Who opened the door?
A: Lizards.

Q: (L) So, we were, literally...

(T) Who was the snake?

(J) The Lizards, they are danger...
A: No!

Q: (L) Who was the snake?
A: Result of giving into temptation without caution, i.e. leaping before looking.

Q: (J) So we should exercise caution.

(T) Okay, what was the snake?

(J) The result of giving into temptation. The snake represents the classic...

(L) So what you are saying to us is that the story of the temptation in Eden was the story of Humankind being led into this reality as a result of being tempted. So, the eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was...
A: Giving into temptation.

Q: (L) And this was a trick...
A: No! Tricks don’t exist!

Q: (L) There is an issue here.

(T) Okay, no trick, a trap?
A: No! Traps don’t exist either. Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.

Q: (T) Now wait a minute. I am losing the whole train here. What were we before the “Fall?”
A: 3rd density STO.

Q: (T) Didn’t you tell us that 3rd density beings could not be STO?

(L) No. They said there are 3rd density STO beings.

(T) We are STS at this point because of what happened then?
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Okay, now, we were STO at that time. The Lizards opened the door, we are using this as an allegory, I guess, the Lizards opened the door and showed us a pot of gold hoping that we would reach in for the pot, or walk through the door, when they were waiting for us on the other side in order to take us over in some way. Am I on the right track?
A: Hoping is incorrect idea.

Q: (T) Okay, what was it they were trying to do by enticing us?
A: Trying is incorrect idea, continue to probe for learning opportunity.

Q: (T) We were 3rd density STO at this time. Was this after the battle that had transpired? In other words, were we, as a 3rd density race, literally on our own at that point, as opposed to before?
A: Was battle.

Q: (L) The battle was in us?
A: Through you.

Q: (T) The battle was through us as to whether we would walk through this doorway...

(L) The battle was fought through us, we were literally the battleground.
(T) I got that, but I want to get back to this analogy to make sure where we are in the overall picture. The battle was going on when the door was opened. Was the battle over whether or not we walked through that door?
A: Close.

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that point. You have said before that on this density we have the choice of being STS or STO.
A: Oh Terry, the battle is always there, it’s “when” you choose that counts!

Q: (T) Okay, so we are still looking at that pot of gold? What I am trying to find out is... there is something important here...
(L) Let’s back up and ask it this way: Prior to this event, humankind was or was not...
A: Prior to?

Q: (L) Okay, not prior. But, we are still talking about somewhat of a historical event in a sense even though it is all simultaneous. This event, somewhere on the cycle, was humankind all one soul, so to speak...
A: Backsliding.

Q: (T) We are moving backwards here. Okay, let’s ask it this way...
A: Closer. You were with the thought waves, perhaps better to defer to him for this one.

Q: (L) Okay, I’ll shut up. Carry on Terry.

(T) I need all the help I can get.

(L) It’s a tough one.

(T) This must tie into why the Lizards and other aliens keep telling people that they have given their consent for abduction and so forth. We were STO and now we are STS.

(J) Yeah, right.
A: Yes, continue.

Q: (T) We are working with the analogy. The gold was an illusion. The gold was not what we perceived it to be. It was a temptation that was given to us as STO beings on 3rd density. The door was opened by the Lizards.
A: No temptation, it was always there. Remember Dorothy and the Ruby slippers?

Q: (T) Okay, we were STO at that time, before we stepped through. We didn’t have to step through.

(F) But, wait a minute now, they keep saying, correct me if I am wrong, every time Terry says: “They tried to get us through...”

(L) They said no...

(F) It was always there.

(J) Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.

(T) They didn’t do anything but open the door. The Lizards opened the door and let us decide whether we were going to go through or not.

(J) I still think the key is that we obliged by stepping through the door...

(T) By our stepping through this door that the Lizards conveniently provided for us without actually doing anything to us, just opening it and showing it to us...
A: Provided? ! ?

Q: (L) They didn’t provide it...

(J) It always existed...

(T) It’s always there....

(J) It’s there now...

(T) The Lizards...
A: Yes, think of the Ruby slippers. What did Glenda tell Dorothy???

Q: (J) You can always go home.

(L) You have always had the power to go home...
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we always have the power to return to being STO? Even in 3rd density?
A: Yes.

Q: (L) How does a 3rd density STO being conduct their life?
A: Discover.

Q: (T) I want to go back to the analogy of the door. The door has always been there. The temptation has always been there...

(J) Is there...

(T) Has, is, will be... is always.
A: “When” you went for the gold, you said “Hello” to the Lizards and all that
that implies.

Q: (T) Okay, that was what I was trying to get at. You said that the Lizards, or the forces of STS opened the door.
A: No. Shouldn’t say opened. We said “opened” only to introduce you to the
concept, so that you would understand.

Q: (L) So, let’s let go of the part that somebody “opened” the door.

(T) The door was always there and always open. I was just trying to work with the analogy. So, the concept is that, as STO beings we had the choice of either going for the gold or not. By going for the gold, we became STS beings because going for the gold was STS.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) And, in doing so, we ended up aligning ourselves with the 4th density Lizard Beings...
A: Yes.

Q: (T) Because they are 4th density beings and they have a lot more abilities than we at 3rd density...
A: You used to be aligned with 4th density STO.

Q: (T) And we were 3rd density STO. But, by going for the gold we aligned ourselves with 4th density STS.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) And by doing so we gave 4th density STS permission to do whatever they wish with us?
A: Close.

Q: (T) So, when they tell us that we gave them permission to abduct us, it is this they are referring to?
A: Close.

Q: (J) Go back to what they said before: “Free will could not be abridged if you had not obliged.”

(T) We, as the human race, used our free will to switch from STO to STS.

(L) So, at some level we have chosen the mess we are in and that is the Super Ancient Legend of the Fallen Angel, Lucifer. That is us. We fell by falling into that door, so to speak, going after the pot of gold, and when we fell through the door, the serpent bit us!
A: But this is a repeating syndrome.

Q: (L) Is it a repeating syndrome just for the human race or is it a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation?
A: It is the latter.

Q: (L) Is this a repeating syndrome throughout all of creation simply because it is the cyclic nature of things? Or is it as the Indians call it, Maya?
A: Either or.

Q: (T) Now, you keep referring to the movie, “The Wizard of Oz.” You have been saying...
A: 6th density inspired.

Q: (T) You have good filmmakers up there in 6th density.

(S) What other movies did they inspire?

(T) Before we go off on a sidetrack like that, I’m still trying to grasp something here... okay, you keep referring to the movie, and that we have an ability within us that is something like the Ruby slippers that can take us back to STO any time we wish.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, all this stuff we have been talking about, the realm border, the wave, raising the frequencies...
A: Realm wave is the “tornado.”

Q: (T) That is the rough wave moving.
A: Subjective.

Q: (L) In the analogy of Dorothy and the whole thing, the place where she started out was Kansas, i.e. STO?

(J) It was in black and white...
A: Not really.

Q: (L) Was going to the land of Oz the STO state?
A: STS.

Q: (L) So Oz was STS. And Kansas, not necessarily the physical surroundings, but the state of mind of Dorothy prior to the Oz experience, was the STO state.
A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, we don’t need necessarily to look at Kansas or the fact that it was filmed in black and white, it is just the state of mind. The going to Oz...
A: And Elvira Gulch.

Q: (J) The lady that turned into the witch.
A: The witch is the Lizards.

Q: (T) Yeah, okay. Tornado. Dorothy fell from the STO to the STS state through the tornado. Is this true.
A: Yes.

Q: (T) The realm wave you equated to the tornado...

(L) Did a realm wave interact with...
A: Analyze more carefully, suggest break to do so.
 
Aragorn said:
I can't help thinking that my sudden 'need' to read the UFO books in the past months is in some way related to this meeting with Mary. And I'm not sure if this is a positive thing either. It could be the 'cosmic tricksters' way of luring me into something, some difficulties. On the other hand, it could be that Mary needs help and the fact that we met today and talked has maybe given her some relief. But I'm very sceptic about any 'signs' of any sort, they are usually misleading.

That's a really interesting occurrence, Aragorn. (Mary's experiences really sound like straight out of the textbook.) Reminded me of how Laura suddenly started having clients with abduction issues after/as she was studying the subject. I've also heard naturopaths talk about a somewhat similar pattern: once they have worked through an issue/integrated something/healed something within, then suddenly clients started turning up in their practices with those same issues. So I think it could mean that you're in a position to help, but as you observed yourself dissociating, there could be much more to this: perhaps buried related memories or some trickster stuff. You'll surely find out over time, but keep us updated.

From what I can see though I think that it's right on to offer your friend a listening ear and point her to reading material once she feels ready.

Interestingly, dealing with the abduction theme has had new effects in my daily life, too, though on the other end of the spectrum: ten days ago my cat got badly attacked by a dog and almost died (she's fine again thanks to superb vets and her will to live) within really weird circumstances (and it happened after a night in which I throwed my anger at hyperdimensional beings in a pretty challenging manner). I had already been shaken up by the abduction theme, but this incident threw me completely off balance and brought up old dissociative programs and patterns to which I succumbed these recent days. Don't want to steal your thread, just mentioning it, because it seems when dealing with such themes "life" has a way of throwing things at you suddenly, "lesson-ing" you, and my example of succumbing to internal reactions is a good example of how not to do it. So I think your careful attitude is the way to go, remain vigilant.

Aragorn said:
But still, I was surprised that the subject of UFO:s had such a strong effect on me.

I do wonder whether being affected strongly by this subject means that one has had abduction experiences or whether it is simply a general reaction to the subject, because it's lifting the veil and gazing something so horrible it's just natural to be affected by it so intensely. After all, let's not forget that hyperdimensional manipulation is The most basic hidden truth of all. It's like the foundation this 3D STS world is standing on/operating on and normally, nobody knows or wants to know. Once you open your eyes to it and really grasp it, it's I think pretty natural that your own foundation is being shaken up, too.

Aragorn said:
Another rather ungortunate development is that now my wife is pretty scared, at least last night she was. She overheard some of our discussion and afterwards she wanted to know the whole story. I assured her that knowledge does protect, meaning that it's probably better for her and Mary to talk and learn about the subject than to hide the head in the sand. I could be wrong, but this seemed to cheer her up a bit.

And maybe, when the topic comes up again another time and she's ready to do so, you could show her Karla's lecture and/or emphasize how anger and resistance is most probably the best type of defense next to knowledge.
 
Enaid said:
Aragorn said:
But still, I was surprised that the subject of UFO:s had such a strong effect on me.

I do wonder whether being affected strongly by this subject means that one has had abduction experiences or whether it is simply a general reaction to the subject, because it's lifting the veil and gazing something so horrible it's just natural to be affected by it so intensely. After all, let's not forget that hyperdimensional manipulation is The most basic hidden truth of all. It's like the foundation this 3D STS world is standing on/operating on and normally, nobody knows or wants to know. Once you open your eyes to it and really grasp it, it's I think pretty natural that your own foundation is being shaken up, too.

I do think it's the former rather than the latter. Maybe at a subconscious level there is a visceral understanding of the nature of what is occurring due to similar experiences of it, whereas half the population doesn't have any experiences of that nature to relate to and probably won't have a strong reaction other than thinking a person is delusional for having experiences like that.

Aragorn said:
I can't help thinking that my sudden 'need' to read the UFO books in the past months is in some way related to this meeting with Mary. And I'm not sure if this is a positive thing either. It could be the 'cosmic tricksters' way of luring me into something, some difficulties. On the other hand, it could be that Mary needs help and the fact that we met today and talked has maybe given her some relief. But I'm very sceptic about any 'signs' of any sort, they are usually misleading.

Maybe giving her tidbits of information, like casually mentioning EE, the forum or diet changes as a practical means of defense. If she's serious about dealing with the high strangeness, she should jump at the chance at interacting with other people who've had similar experiences in their life. She won't feel alone in knowing there are many people who experience strangeness in their lives. fwiw
 
Ever since the talk with Mary I've been sleeping poorly, feeling fear and restlessness when going to bed. The positive side of talking to her is that it has deepened my understanding of the seriousness and frequency of other dimensional manipulation - no one is a nobody, as the C's put it.

Last night I found something that turned out to be very helpful. Now, this may sound like a cliche and New Ageish, but since it helped me I just wanted to share it. As I was lying in bed doing some EE, I felt the familiar fear creeping on me. This may sound silly, but part of the fear is the idea "they" are now aware that Mary has broken the silence and told me about her experiences, making me one of the 'circle of people' "they" interact with (this idea came partly from Karla's books). So, anyway as I was laying and feeling my body tighten, listening to every little sound in the house, a thought came to me: "Why fear? Your soul is immortal and whatever "they" do to you, they can't destroy your soul!"

And then, amazingly enough, the fear lifted completely! The darkness in my mind was transformed into a soft and warm bright light. I felt my body relax and my solar plexus expanding properly again. After this I did some more EE and fell asleep. I haven't slept this good in a long time! :)

You might ask, doesn't EE help when this fear comes? I've been doing EE (various parts, sometimes the whole program) every evening for a long time now, and it does help of course. But somehow this UFO business has penetrated so deep in my mind that the EE hasn't been able to vanish it completely.
 
Aragorn said:
So, anyway as I was laying and feeling my body tighten, listening to every little sound in the house, a thought came to me: "Why fear? Your soul is immortal and whatever "they" do to you, they can't destroy your soul!"

And then, amazingly enough, the fear lifted completely! The darkness in my mind was transformed into a soft and warm bright light. I felt my body relax and my solar plexus expanding properly again. After this I did some more EE and fell asleep. I haven't slept this good in a long time! :)

You might ask, doesn't EE help when this fear comes? I've been doing EE (various parts, sometimes the whole program) every evening for a long time now, and it does help of course. But somehow this UFO business has penetrated so deep in my mind that the EE hasn't been able to vanish it completely.

Thanks for sharing this, Aragorn. It reminds me of how working with fear won't have any effect if one simply looks to do away with it or pulls something over it as in calming, which would be an automatic way to deal with it. It seems to me that a resolve lies in simply accepting reality as it is and go from there. And the state of accepting things as they are opens up a space inside which allows for glimpsing the bigger picture/context.
 
Aragorn said:
Ever since the talk with Mary I've been sleeping poorly, feeling fear and restlessness when going to bed. The positive side of talking to her is that it has deepened my understanding of the seriousness and frequency of other dimensional manipulation - no one is a nobody, as the C's put it.

It rather sounds like all of this was theoretical to you until now. It took talking with your friend about it to have it hit home that it's real.

a said:
the idea "they" are now aware that Mary has broken the silence and told me about her experiences, making me one of the 'circle of people' "they" interact with (this idea came partly from Karla's books).

What makes you think you weren't already being 'interacted with'?

I don't mean to make you more paranoid - but this reality is under almost complete control. Anyone with any potential to awaken or make a difference is 'interacted with'. It's not a game, it's not theory, it's real - we are property - we can become free, but not without a lot of effort and the effort is noticed. So, it sounds like it was a good thing that you had this talk with your friend. It opened your eyes a little to the reality of the situation. Fear won't help you, but anger will. How could one not be angry at being interfered with from the day they're born in order to be prohibited from becoming who they came here to be?

With all that said, to obsess about it is to play into 'their' hands. Yes, it is a reality, however feeding all sorts of nervous energy into it only feeds 'them' - which is another reason why knowledge is protection.
 
anart is spot on with this...

What makes you think you weren't already being 'interacted with'?

Exactly. The fear that this subject arouses within the individual is itself 'interaction' and control (or containment). A very convenient one too, as 'they' don't have to do anything, i.e. the individual controls himself on 'their' behalf and keeps himself under lock and key. If there's one definite cast iron rule that I've learnt from the Cs and Laura's books it's that the opposite of fear isn't courage but knowledge.

However one does need to accept a certain fear-inducing situation and face it before one can start accumulating the knowledge that will carry you above that fear. As anart says, righteous anger at being manipulated is what initially wakes us up and provides motivation towards finding out ways of getting above it, through knowledge.

I think it was in one of John Perkins' books where the author is on an ocean going yacht and gets grievously seasick for days until one day he has a dream where a female spirit takes him by the hand and guides him around the boat, explaining how everything works (sails, pulleys, all the knots, the rudder, the wheel etc) and how beautifully it all fits together, creating a lovely and working harmony. Once the author wakes up from the dream suddenly he is perfectly fine and his seasickness is completely gone because he is now in a system whose workings he understands and accepts completely.

I think this is a perfect analogy for our reality and this planet. No matter what we feel about it, certain things will happen in certain ways. STS will 'interact' with us in certain ways, as it has been doing for ages, we will react back in certain ways to this. STO will do this, STS will do that in response. But the more we grasp the underlying 'ropes, pulleys and rudders' of this planet the more we rise above it and see from a height how everything fits together and carries the ship forward. At that point there is no fear and no courage either, just knowledge.
 
anart said:
It rather sounds like all of this was theoretical to you until now. It took talking with your friend about it to have it hit home that it's real.

Yes, for me this talk had a quite profound effect. It's interesting, how reading hundreds of pages has left little doubt in me that 4D manipulation is real, however, as you say hearing a personal testimony face face from a friend really hit it home. It would be interesting to hear how others have experienced these things.

What makes you think you weren't already being 'interacted with'?

I don't mean to make you more paranoid - but this reality is under almost complete control. Anyone with any potential to awaken or make a difference is 'interacted with'. It's not a game, it's not theory, it's real - we are property - we can become free, but not without a lot of effort and the effort is noticed. So, it sounds like it was a good thing that you had this talk with your friend. It opened your eyes a little to the reality of the situation. Fear won't help you, but anger will. How could one not be angry at being interfered with from the day they're born in order to be prohibited from becoming who they came here to be?

With all that said, to obsess about it is to play into 'their' hands. Yes, it is a reality, however feeding all sorts of nervous energy into it only feeds 'them' - which is another reason why knowledge is protection.

You may have had this in mind also, but I was more thinking about abductions. I have no doubt that I've been manipulated by many forces during my life time. And abductions could of course be part of it. I have no conscious recollection of any 'alien infringement' but I do have a gut feeling that some things may have happened. And you may be right, maybe I've been suppressing these thoughts - not wanting to face the fact that I may have been abducted. And after this thing with Mary, I got thinking that NOW they certainly come 'again'. And it could be denial (in many areas) now manifesting as fear. So all in all I think this has been a important experience.

As a result of all this I've today made some inquiries trying to find a good hypnotherapist. After a while a friend from the board of our Reiki association called me and highly recommended a guy. I now have his number. However, I haven't yet made an appointment. Before I do that, I want' to network and ask others: do you think this would be a good idea?
 
I just wanted to add that the main reason I want to try hypnotherapy is not to 'hunt for abduction memories'. I've been planning to try this for some years now and this thing with Mary acted as a reminder. Or then, I could be lying to myself ;)

I have no recollections of my childhood during the years 0-5, and from 5-10 there are many gaps. I suspect there are many incidents including my father that would surface during a hypnotherapy session (if I'm hypnotizable that is), and that could clarify my understanding of what exactly was going on in our home during those early years.

I would not try hypnotherapy as a first option. But since I've done a lot of body work, meditating, EE and some traditional therapy(ca 10 year ago) without penetrating this 'amnesia' I feel like I'm ready to try it. If there's an UFO/Alien aspect to be found, then so be it-but I'm certainly hoping that experiences/memories in that area are minimal.

I think it's crucial that the therapist is reliable and knows his business. My contact, a hypnotherapist herself, has studied with this guy, witnessing many of his sessions with clients. She was absolutely certain that I couldn't find a better hypnotherapist in this country.
 
What difference would it make to you if you got information that led you to believe that you were abducted?
 
anart said:
What difference would it make to you if you got information that led you to believe that you were abducted?

I really can't say, and I don't think pursuing or digging up abduction memories are necessarily a good thing. In cases like Carla's or Ted Rice's, where the phenomena disturbed heavily their everyday life, it seems that it did them some good-but I'm not sure of that either. However what I'd like to know - and this may have nothing to do with aliens - are:

- Why am I hypersensitive regarding someone touching me in a sudden way? For example, even if my wife touches me 'unannounced' in the stomach area I literally jump through the roof.

- Why am I, and have always been, afraid of the dark and loud noises? Sensitivity to noise could be magnesium related, but after 'overdosing' for some years I still suffer from this

- Why is the left lower side of my rib cage bended and clearly bulging outwards? This isn't visible in the many picures take during ages 0-2. Something must have happened.

- Why did my father turn into a monster, start drinking, talking to him self and telling us kids that he has an implant that controls his behavior?

- Why doesn't my sister have any memories of approximately the same time period 1971-1976?
 
Thanks for discussing this with me, anart. Inspired by your last post, at thought just came to me: what if this whole thing, my mind getting too occupied with UFO:s etc, is designed to 'screw up' my mind - throwing me off track, stopping all the good things that I have going on in my life just now?

I'm seriously starting to think at this as a possible explanation...
 
Aragorn said:
Thanks for discussing this with me, anart. Inspired by your last post, at thought just came to me: what if this whole thing, my mind getting too occupied with UFO:s etc, is designed to 'screw up' my mind - throwing me off track, stopping all the good things that I have going on in my life just now?

I'm seriously starting to think at this as a possible explanation...

I just wanted to let you know, that having learned a few lessons lately and by reading more about "everything", I've decided to ditch this idea of getting hypnotherapy. I now know that I can't trust the part of me that came up with that idea, 'it' would like to cheat and also mess with the whole Work process! Thanks anart for giving a nudge in the right direction (again). ;)
 

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