Underground Streams and Geopathic Stress

[SeekinTruth]

Other devices that claim to transform "negative" energy to "positive" energy sound like BS to me.

LQB, just wanted a clarification. Are you referring specifically to the Dimensional Design's SafeSpace products and website and emfblues(dot)com Crystal Catalyst products I linked in the original post?

I was speaking generally, but I'll take a look at these sites specifically.

OK, thanks a lot, LQB. I have a word document (which is basically a compilation of the technology and testing methods of those two sites) I was going to copy and paste, and still may, instead of just the links in my first post. I'm not sure if at least those parts will save you time (SafeSpace is a pretty easy to navigate site), but also it might be good to have in the database of the forum, in case at some point it's taken down or the information changes, etc. - whether it turns out to be some kind of hoax or there's something to it, or whatever.

 

[LQB]

Other devices that claim to transform "negative" energy to "positive" energy sound like BS to me.

LQB, just wanted a clarification. Are you referring specifically to the Dimensional Design's SafeSpace products and website and emfblues(dot)com Crystal Catalyst products I linked in the original post?

I was speaking generally, but I'll take a look at these sites specifically.

The DD-SS site is quite the collection of mumbo-jumbo of scientific terms that are not used according to their commonly understood definitions. This is partly due to attempts to describe a "subtle energy" mechanism for "ordering" EMF energy so that it actually becomes bio-useful. The devices do this through resonance of particular frequencies - but these frequencies are not identified.

The tech papers are not very impressive and appear not to have been published anywhere. There are two authors - a PhD and a DC. One begins:

Glen Rein, Ph.D.
Quantum Biology Research Lab
Northport, NY

The goal of this article is to examine, validate and explain the scientific concepts and terminology used in the promotional literature of Dimensional Design. In some cases the concepts will be elaborated in a more rigorous scientific manner and in other cases specific scientific research findings and references will be quoted to support the claims.

It would be interesting to know what Rein's connection to DD might be.

The DD material is reminiscent of the Claris Q-Link which uses passive resonant crystal oscillators to enhance earth resonant frequencies (ie 7.8 Hz). AFAIK, Claris makes no claim to transform or order the EMF.

But like you say, if you install DD products there is no real way to test effectiveness other than something subjective.

 

[Voyageur]

Well, as I said, I need to find out if that particular dowser can tell us more than just that you have water on the property and where it is. Otherwise, I'd have to search for another one. In the documentary I posted, Brandon seems to be incredibly sensitive and skilled in giving additional relevant information. And yeah, copper spikes or metal tubes/rods are other ways people claim you can deal with these things. Another really interesting thing in the documentary was that architect that had built 3 structures during the late 1700's and 1800's that had no EMF at the buildings but did in front and back on the property. But they never tried to see if any technique was used and what to protect the living structure.

If I remember right, in the video they said the mag field line dropped off at the foundation but picked back up on the other side of the wall. If they said or meant the other side of the house - then I missed that. But if the line merely dropped off at the wall, then the house interior would not be protected. One way to do this is to put a lot of iron in/under the foundation - the DC mag field lines will concentrate in the iron (like they do in iron core transformers). If you extend the iron underneath the floor slab, then you would protect the entire house from electric field anomalies as well as the DC mag field. The iron will do little to block AC mag fields unless it is deeply magnetized.

This suggests that floor mats or coverings that are impregnated with a significant amount of iron might work well for protection of large areas. Other devices that claim to transform "negative" energy to "positive" energy sound like BS to me.

From the accounts I've read, the folks suffering chronic effects due to these lines never had any indication until chronic symptoms sent them to a doctor. It may be that proper diet, EE, and cognitive work can play a mitigating role, but it would remain a stressor that all could certainly do without (considering the many other environmental stressors that we cannot escape).

In the documentary, and at the castle where the stress lines ended near the foundation, and then resumed again on the other side of the structure, it was discussed about nullifying/canceling properties. They did discuss the possibility that iron was buried, yet no conclusion was made. Are you saying LQB that it would have had to be networked with iron under the foundation or could a singularity deposit of iron account for this nullifying?

As an aside, the scientist in the documentary, even though the film is near 15 years old, did a good job discussing the problem of the scientific peer review system and why this is a big problem.

Seeking Truth, came across this guys site, VS Suresh, _http://geopathicstress-solutions.blogspot.ca/2012/10/geopathic-stress.html who discuses the "pathos" with many case studies along with some fixes, like some crazy sounding ones like upside down mirrors or glass under a bed; perhaps worth a scan though. Generally he cites Chinese geomancers and traditional medicine, along with other countries assessments of geopathic stress lines.

 

[LQB]

In the documentary, and at the castle where the stress lines ended near the foundation, and then resumed again on the other side of the structure, it was discussed about nullifying/canceling properties. They did discuss the possibility that iron was buried, yet no conclusion was made. Are you saying LQB that it would have had to be networked with iron under the foundation or could a singularity deposit of iron account for this nullifying?

You would probably need a fair amount of iron underneath the floor. Iron under the foundation would explain the attenuation of the line as you approach the outer wall but it would pick back up again inside unless the iron extended under the floor. A natural iron deposit might do this but (from the video) it sounds like the builder would have done this intentionally if three of his houses displayed the same characteristics. Scrap iron slag might work. The presence of iron would explain the magnetometer readings in the video.

Did I answer your question?

 

[Lilou]

I started watching the YouTube video on geopathic stress. (Thanks for the link SeekinTruth). It is a very interesting subject and I'd like to give dowsing a try myself. My question is, if anyone knows, does the depth of the underground water make any difference regarding the negative physical effects?

Maybe I'll find the answer after watching the rest of the video, but since our water well in the Middle East was found by an old Chechnian with dowsing rods, depth might not make any difference. Our well is 450 meters deep! and he was still able to pinpoint it. Unfortunately, he was about 90 y/o at the time and is no longer alive.

 

[LQB]

I started watching the YouTube video on geopathic stress. (Thanks for the link SeekinTruth). It is a very interesting subject and I'd like to give dowsing a try myself. My question is, if anyone knows, does the depth of the underground water make any difference regarding the negative physical effects?

Yes, depth would make a difference, but flow rate, ion content, and ground material also probably make a difference. Also the flow represents a line source and the attenuation with distance from a line source is much less than from a point source by a factor of 1/r. Point your thumb in the direction of the flow - the rest of your fingers curl in the direction of the magnetic field produced by a net flow of charge. As you move away from the flow, the mag field drops of as 1/r (as opposed to 1/r2 for a point source).

 

[Lilou]

Thanks for your input, LQB. When I get a minute. I'd love to learn more about this subject. We do own a set of those metal dowsing rods. :D

 

[Voyageur]

Did I answer your question?

I see where you are going with that, so yes. What i was thinking, too, as with an existing house such as Seeking Truth's, if intersecting the lines, both front and behind would dampen the effects (interrupt the current enough). The reason for this is that the castle in the video had lines bisecting and running through, as said, and then they mention the possible iron burials to dampen effects (you had added the possibility of iron laid under the house, which makes sense). The original geopathic stress surveyors at this property (if they did this prior to construction) seemed to know of these lines, so either they knew how to dampen them down or the same might be the case if they surveyed it post construction (for a new owner). If it was the former, why not just relocate the house prior to construction to ground surveyed free of gespathic stress lines rather than with the efforts of seeding iron (somethings) adjacent and under the house?

Anyway, that is what I was thinking, and am not sure about what exactly they were trying to convey in the film about this.

 

[LQB]

Did I answer your question?

I see where you are going with that, so yes. What i was thinking, too, as with an existing house such as Seeking Truth's, if intersecting the lines, both front and behind would dampen the effects (interrupt the current enough). The reason for this is that the castle in the video had lines bisecting and running through, as said, and then they mention the possible iron burials to dampen effects (you had added the possibility of iron laid under the house, which makes sense). The original geopathic stress surveyors at this property (if they did this prior to construction) seemed to know of these lines, so either they knew how to dampen them down or the same might be the case if they surveyed it post construction (for a new owner). If it was the former, why not just relocate the house prior to construction to ground surveyed free of gespathic stress lines rather than with the efforts of seeding iron (somethings) adjacent and under the house?

Anyway, that is what I was thinking, and am not sure about what exactly they were trying to convey in the film about this.

A piece of iron will only concentrate mag field lines in its local vicinity, so you need a large amount of it spread over a large area to protect an entire home (or mansion). The builder may not have been given the option to relocate the house. The fact (if true) that he did this to three mansions suggests to me that his solution was the addition (and cost) of some form of iron to the foundation and under the floor.

But I'm not entirely convinced that the physical dowser is responding to just the mag field (like the magnetometer).

 

[SeekinTruth]

Did I answer your question?

I see where you are going with that, so yes. What i was thinking, too, as with an existing house such as Seeking Truth's, if intersecting the lines, both front and behind would dampen the effects (interrupt the current enough). The reason for this is that the castle in the video had lines bisecting and running through, as said, and then they mention the possible iron burials to dampen effects (you had added the possibility of iron laid under the house, which makes sense). The original geopathic stress surveyors at this property (if they did this prior to construction) seemed to know of these lines, so either they knew how to dampen them down or the same might be the case if they surveyed it post construction (for a new owner). If it was the former, why not just relocate the house prior to construction to ground surveyed free of gespathic stress lines rather than with the efforts of seeding iron (somethings) adjacent and under the house?

Anyway, that is what I was thinking, and am not sure about what exactly they were trying to convey in the film about this.

A piece of iron will only concentrate mag field lines in its local vicinity, so you need a large amount of it spread over a large area to protect an entire home (or mansion). The builder may not have been given the option to relocate the house. The fact (if true) that he did this to three mansions suggests to me that his solution was the addition (and cost) of some form of iron to the foundation and under the floor.

But I'm not entirely convinced that the physical dowser is responding to just the mag field (like the magnetometer).

First, thanks a lot for your time checking out the SafeSpace site, LQB. I'm also not convinced that the dowser is just responding to mag fields. There's a lot of material and videos of dowsers claiming that they are keeping a question in mind and getting answers. Like even how many gallons per minute flows through the stream, etc. I don't know how true that is, but there might be more going on than just identifying mag fields. Brandon does ask that woman who has a well in her house and he identifies it without knowing if her water is "contaminated." She first answers no, then he asks about lime or other minerals and she says yes it's very high. How would he know this?

I wanted to ask if reenforced concrete would be good as a source of iron content to concentrate the fields into. Because my neighbor across from us claimed that when they were building this house, they went overboard with how much steel reenforcements they put into the floor slabs in each floor. And the guy who installed the heating system before we moved in was commenting on how much steel reenforcement he was hitting while drilling through the corners of the floor to bring the pipes through.

By the way, that geopathic stress solutions blog is a very good repository of all the issues and observations about geopathic stress, voyageur. Thanks for posting the link.

 

[LQB]

First, thanks a lot for your time checking out the SafeSpace site, LQB. I'm also not convinced that the dowser is just responding to mag fields. There's a lot of material and videos of dowsers claiming that they are keeping a question in mind and getting answers. Like even how many gallons per minute flows through the stream, etc. I don't know how true that is, but there might be more going on than just identifying mag fields. Brandon does ask that woman who has a well in her house and he identifies it without knowing if her water is "contaminated." She first answers no, then he asks about lime or other minerals and she says yes it's very high. How would he know this?

I wanted to ask if reenforced concrete would be good as a source of iron content to concentrate the fields into. Because my neighbor across from us claimed that when they were building this house, they went overboard with how much steel reenforcements they put into the floor slabs in each floor. And the guy who installed the heating system before we moved in was commenting on how much steel reenforcement he was hitting while drilling through the corners of the floor to bring the pipes through.

Yes, dowsers around here claim they can dowse the depth of the water flow. Years ago I worked with an inventor/dowser that used a pulsed coil (mag field) that he would pulse at a rate that corresponded precisely with the atomic makeup of the (buried or otherwise) material that he was looking for. What he measured was the bearing (stress line) to the material. He would then use triangulation to locate the material. Very impressive results (I posted about this years ago) - but not everyone could do it. I spent a lot of time with one of his devices and did long-range interrogation for plutonium, uranium, VX, and sarin, and got lines (from Colorado) to major known storage sites and a few unknown ones (real or spurious).

Yes, I think rebar in concrete would perform well if it is dense enough. In my place, I have it on 1 foot centers in both dimensions. I can still get rough readings from a good compass so I would guess that smaller spacing of the rebar would be required.

 

[Voyageur]

First, thanks a lot for your time checking out the SafeSpace site, LQB. I'm also not convinced that the dowser is just responding to mag fields. There's a lot of material and videos of dowsers claiming that they are keeping a question in mind and getting answers. Like even how many gallons per minute flows through the stream, etc. I don't know how true that is, but there might be more going on than just identifying mag fields. Brandon does ask that woman who has a well in her house and he identifies it without knowing if her water is "contaminated." She first answers no, then he asks about lime or other minerals and she says yes it's very high. How would he know this?

I wanted to ask if reenforced concrete would be good as a source of iron content to concentrate the fields into. Because my neighbor across from us claimed that when they were building this house, they went overboard with how much steel reenforcements they put into the floor slabs in each floor. And the guy who installed the heating system before we moved in was commenting on how much steel reenforcement he was hitting while drilling through the corners of the floor to bring the pipes through.

Yes, dowsers around here claim they can dowse the depth of the water flow. Years ago I worked with an inventor/dowser that used a pulsed coil (mag field) that he would pulse at a rate that corresponded precisely with the atomic makeup of the (buried or otherwise) material that he was looking for. What he measured was the bearing (stress line) to the material. He would then use triangulation to locate the material. Very impressive results (I posted about this years ago) - but not everyone could do it. I spent a lot of time with one of his devices and did long-range interrogation for plutonium, uranium, VX, and sarin, and got lines (from Colorado) to major known storage sites and a few unknown ones (real or spurious).

Yes, I think rebar in concrete would perform well if it is dense enough. In my place, I have it on 1 foot centers in both dimensions. I can still get rough readings from a good compass so I would guess that smaller spacing of the rebar would be required.

Your thoughts, LQB, on that video a few posts ago makes sense, along with the question (modern homes) on rebar from, Seeking Truth - had not factored that in as a possible negating influence if tight enough (Faraday cage like).

On the above bolded section, the pulse rate is what Lethbridge noted for many surveyed items such as minerals. In his one book, he has a short table log of many of the rates and i've never found a more complete listing. What you describe is very interesting.