unexplained phenomenoms revealed by FBI

[Kolnikov]

Hello all
This is my first "new thread" i dare to do in the forum.
From a source in spanish, i reached this link,
http://vault.fbi.gov/unexplained-phenomenon

Where i found lot of true info now available, this part concerns mainly to UFO´s
I don´t know if previously posted or this is yet known or not. In any case, I´m impressed viewing even a little part of ORIGINALS documents.
Please, any feedback is welcome
greetings from spain

 

[Vulcan59]

Hi Kolnikov,

Here is what Richard Dolan said in his book, "UFOs and The National Security State"

Regarding matters connected with “national security,” there appears to be a wealth of information that does not exist officially. Thus, a request to find such documents through a Freedom of Information Act request would be in vain. Add to this the likelihood that perhaps the most sensitive information regarding UFOs may not even exist in document form (“the first rule in keeping secrets is nothing on paper,” Richard Helms), and one can appreciate the difficulty that an honest UFO researcher has in ferreting out the truth.

Oh, I'm sure you'll find bits and pieces of useful nuggets here and there but on the whole it will probably be nicely sandwiched in lies keeping you going in circles if you were to follow up. Take Majestic 12 for example, which is the first document in the link you referenced above from the FBI no less; here is what the C's said in regards to it,

Q: (L) Are the Majestic 12 documents...
A: Semi-factual.
Q: (L) Were they dummied up?
A: Near.
Q: (L) Who did this and why?
A: To leak information and disinformation. Many were involved. ONI and CIA.
Q: (L) Is the information in the book "Majestic" factual?
A: Semi-factual. There are many glaring falsehoods.

 

[Kolnikov]

Thank you Vulcan59...
Of course, i agree and I feel, after rethinking a bit, uh... somehow smartless, so to speak.

I thought when i saw this that were "new", some sort of desclasification , regarding the Freedom of Info Act, and well, in a context in wich in many countries desclasification about the UFO issue has been done recently. Also i heard for example from
http://www.exopolitics.org/

some info about a posible disclosure that obama would do...
Ok, i still being a bit ingenuous... ¿FBI revealing secrets? nonsense.
And, very good -quote on my way, i don´t manage quoting function well enough yet, what you say from Dolan´s book:
“the first rule in keeping secrets is nothing on paper,” Richard Helms



Greetings, and excuse my awful english

 

[RyanX]

<snip>
Oh, I'm sure you'll find bits and pieces of useful nuggets here and there but on the whole it will probably be nicely sandwiched in lies keeping you going in circles if you were to follow up.

<snip>

Kolnikov,

Yeah, I agree with Vulcan. If you read those documents at face value without diving into the historical circumstances surrounding them, they'll likely just leave you chasing your tail. Which is probably why the FBI chose to publish these few documents publicly.

If you're interested in Roswell, NICAP, MJ-12 or Project Blue book, I would think reading Richard Dolan's book UFOs and the National Security State would be a good start. Another fascinating book I just finished up is Ann Druffel's book Firestorm about the life and times of James McDonald. That one talks at length about NICAP, Project Blue Book, the Condon Report and some of what went on behind the scenes during that era. For ESP related stuff, you should check out The Field by Lynn McTaggart. I'm not sure if all these books are available in Spanish though.

 

[Kolnikov]

Thanks, RyanX
I´ll try to find these books, though if not translated, will be hard to manage...
Anyway, and now that NOBODY is listening ;) there is a programa called Emule, where if you are lucky, you can download many things... of course, absolutelly legal (ups, perhapas i missed an "i" somewhere

Seriously, no way to find these books in Spain... of course now you can purchase via Internet in Amazon, I suposse...too much complicated. And about Doland this name sounds familiar... I´ll do a little search in the net.

To end, I belong to some groups and mail lists-and now facebook- in spanish, about UFO stuff. I like to see what is said from USA, and report to spanish, and eventually, as this case, "viceversa"
:)
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Edited (it´s great be able to edit!)to add:

A question remains... ¿why, if all that stuff we are talking is a fake, whoever has took so great effort? ¿same with others countries that have done its "disclosure", of course in a similar way, hiddening the most interesting?

 

[Galaxia2002]

Guy Hottel (FBI): The Vault, documents that reveal fligher Source Recovered

is It real??? A webpage of FBI called The Vault created to show some declassified documents. In there is a document called Guy Hottel and the page said:

"Guy Hottel was a Special Agent in Charge of the FBI's Washington Field Office. The information concerning Mr. Hottel is in regard to a March 22, 1950, memo he sent to the Director concerning flying saucers."

Here is the PDF scanned document:

_http://vault.fbi.gov/hottel_guy/Guy%20Hottel%20Part%201%20of%201/view

Here is the transcription:

Office Memorandum United States Government

To: Director, FBI

From: Guy Hottel, SAC Washington

Subjetc: Flying Saucers Information Concerning Date: March 22, 1950


The following information was furnished to SA xxxxxxxxxxxx

An investigator for the Air Forces stated that Three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico. They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suites used by speed flyers and test pilots.

According to Mr. xxx informant the saucers were found in New Mexico due the fact that the Government has a very high- powered radar set-up in that area and it is believed that radar interferes with the controlling mechanism of the saucers.

No further evaluation was attempted by SA xxxxxxx concerning the above.


RHK:BIN

I wonder if this is very relevant because as far as I know I have not seen a so much explicit document of this type.

 

[Kolnikov]

Re: Guy Hottel (FBI): The Vault, documents that reveal fligher Source Recovered

Hi Galaxy 2002

Just a few days ago, i sent this same link for some discussion...just below
http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=22796.0

You can see good answers, cause, as yo, i also were impressed by this "generous gift " made by FBI .
Vulvano59 put interesting points to orientate.

 

[Joe]

Re: Guy Hottel (FBI): The Vault, documents that reveal fligher Source Recovered

I wonder if this is very relevant because as far as I know I have not seen a so much explicit document of this type.

Could be, but as Vulcan said not in the sense of revealing hard truth but rather in the sense of a broader agenda to ultimately reveal some version of the "truth" about UFOs. In this specific case, the data released about New Mexico seems to be coincide with some of what the Cs have said about Roswell etc - that a UFO (more than one actually) did indeed crash in that area.

 

[Galaxia2002]

Judging for the reaction of people that read the news, I tend to believe that that information is adressed mainly to complete the programmation that the C's and Marciniak had mentioned. I have never seen people taking so seriously a notice of this type, and although it could be half-truths, what the people sees is the "confirmation" of a urban mith.

 

[Kolnikov]

Judging for the reaction of people that read the news, I tend to believe that that information is adressed mainly to complete the programmation that the C's and Marciniak had mentioned. I have never seen people taking so seriously a notice of this type, and although it could be half-truths, what the people sees is the "confirmation" of a urban mith.

Good point galaxia2002. For much people "if FBI say this...should be true".

 

[Kolnikov]

Interesting this link, about the disclosure...

http://uforeview.tripod.com/conspiracyjournal617.html

 

[bronz]

FBI Roswell Memo Confirmed by Retired Intel Figures: Does this Change UFO History?

more to read : http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/230026

 

[Cosmos]

FBI Roswell Memo Confirmed by Retired Intel Figures: Does this Change UFO History?

more to read : http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/230026

is there a reason why you put your text in bold ?
I've notist this in other posts of you as well.
you olso seem to be easily triggered into believing in sciolism and believings that have nothing to do with reality.

 

[Beau]

FBI Roswell Memo Confirmed by Retired Intel Figures: Does this Change UFO History?

more to read : http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/230026

is there a reason why you put your text in bold ?
I've notist this in other posts of you as well.

My guess is that it was bolded because it was meant to be a headline. There is no rule or guideline against bolding, as long as it's reasonable. Seems like you are bothered by it but that's not bronz's fault. No reason he should have to feel bad because you were triggered by it.

 

[Cosmos]

FBI Roswell Memo Confirmed by Retired Intel Figures: Does this Change UFO History?

more to read : http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/230026

is there a reason why you put your text in bold ?
I've notist this in other posts of you as well.

My guess is that it was bolded because it was meant to be a headline. There is no rule or guideline against bolding, as long as it's reasonable. Seems like you are bothered by it but that's not bronz's fault. No reason he should have to feel bad because you were triggered by it.

you could be right.
I've notised that I tend to act emotionally especially when somebody tries to correct me.
that was the case here too. after your post.

so I guess I really have to get this program under control.

PS: my intend was not to make him feel bad. my intend was to help him to see his potential leak of critical thinking.