No offense intended, but that statement seems a bit like saying "If we lived on Mars, our life would be very different". If we lived in a world were the "truth" was routinely broadcast by the media, we would not be living in THIS world, the one we are currently discussing.Cyre2067 said:
I couldn't agree more. But it starts with a desire to learn, a willingness to expand one's horizon of knowledge. My point is simply that the majority of people do not have such a desire and willingness; due to their extreme STS focus, they choose to "not know", and it doesn't matter how much information you present them with, until they change their FOCUS, they will not "learn".Al Today said:
Forgive me, sometimes I just put my foot in my mouth, and perhaps this is something that I should be doing. Throwing ideas into the wind. But I feel like this is beating a dead horse. Maybe STS is their chosen path. Maybe ignorance, apathy is what they choose? Who am I to tell others what to do, what to think, how to be? Who am I to teach the lessons that others are here to learn? If they don't wanna learn what I think they should learn, so be it. Isn't this what free will means? Am I to control others and tell them what path to follow? For myself, I have choices. You have your own choices, and so does everyone else ( and I wonder about that too ). Sometimes I wonder... Sometimes I just don't care for some others choosings because they CAN & DO make their own choices. So what? I am STS after all, and selfish in my desire to get outta here. So like the old saying goes, they made their own bed, and fell out of it. When the schtuff hits the fan, my main fear is a lingering, painful, and slow release. When I leave this BBM, I hope it's fast. This fear of pain could be the main reason for controlling the others as described above, perhaps? Selfish fear... Speaking to myself here...QueenVee said:
Do you think that with such a mindset that the Signs page would ever have been created, or that it would ever have morphed into what it has become today? The above logic is completely at odds with the purpose of Signs of the Times, and by extension, this forum. It would not exist if we all pessimistically decided that people "choose not to know". How do you reconcile the above thought with what I just wrote? Please don't give me any excuses of your interpretation of "the majority of people".QueenVee said:
How so? I'm sure the Signs page was created for everyone and anyone who has the desire to learn and to know, no matter how many people that might be. I'm sure it would have been created and passionately continued by its creators whether it was destined to reach 50 people, or 50 million people. It is my impression that it is driven by a desire to pass on knowledge and information, not to reach quotas.beau said:
This statement is yet another example of you twisting what someone has said to benefit your own 'argument'. Beau never even implied that anything had anything to do with 'quotas'. This is a manipulation on your part.qv said:
When I read this message, their was no quote added from the quick guide. You should understand that the quick guide is not gospel. You quote from it as though it is the be-all, end-all of our discussion. My point, which you have subtly twisted to mean something else, was that the Signs page was never created for a certain set of people. It never meant to speak to only those who could already see.QueenVee said:
When I pointed out how that mindset is not the kind of thinking that is prevalent at SOTT and how the above logic makes creating the Signs page pointless, you managed to twist what I said by writing that I am saying we want to reach quotas. I don't know how you ended up there, but it could possibly be that you just wanted to shift attention away from your stance on the discussion to mine. But that is straight up manipulative. I don't know whether you are conscious of it or not, but as anart has pointed you have done this a few times already so it's becoming sort of an ongoing problem.qv said:
I didn't say or even remotely imply that it was. I suggested it was created for those who who have a desire to learn, to see. That means those who may not "see" yet, but want to learn, are thirsty of knowledge.beau said:
I did not say anything even remotely resembling "the vast majority of people are incapable of this". It's not a question of CAPACITY. I said that the vast majority CHOOSE to not know. CHOOSING to remain ignorant and "unknowing" and NOT CHOOSING to seek knowledge does not in any way equate with INCAPACITY.beau said:
Again, I did not say that AT ALL. I respectfully suggest that you re-read my posts and quote what I ACTUALLY SAID, rather than rely on your paraphrase of what you chose to read into them.beau said:
This is quite interesting. Rather than clarify, or even learn, you walk away. Why is that? Is your cup that full?QueenVee said:
beau said:
This, again, is twisting. It could easily be said that you did, actually, imply what Beau inferred by stating what you stated. Another interpretation is certainly possible, but it would require either a gargantuan amount of creative thinking, or a 'critical correction' of what you had written. Beau was not, and is not, 'paraphrasing' - he is taking you at your word. You seem to rather resent being taken at your word and being held accountable for what you write here.qv said:
Nope, that never happened.qv said:
No, that is simply taking you at your word and holding you responsible for what you write.qv said:
Now, this is quite telling indeed. You see no point in communicating. You see no point in addressing questions addressed to you based on nothing other than what you have written. You see no point in feedback that doesn't match your own self impression. You see no point in a conversation - especially when it addresses what you have written and what that reveals about you. Would you prefer to 'hold court' - to speak and not be spoken to? You see, the most valuable thing about this forum is that, occasionally, it can offer an objective veiw of what one is really thinking - not a 'position you never took' - but a mirror to reflect exactly what one is saying and how one is saying it.qv said:
Again, quite telling and suggestive and manipulative - what did you, oh queen, 'perceive this forum to be'? Has this forum fallen woefully short of your expectations since it did not bolster your own subjective self-impression? Just curious, because this latest post of yours blows the earlier ones out of the water - fwiw.qv said:
