Van Mows Down People on Barcelona's Ramblas: multiple deaths and injuries
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biala84
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I live in Bcn and it's truth we have here a big chaos right.now.... for me one curious thing is that they were saying in radio and.tv that they are.going to control more city and the airport, like two weeks ago. Also i noticed that before one year You could see more police on the street controling the people. Yesterday i was.supposed to go in the place when the tragedy happend, but the energy i felt didn't let me go... i feel very sorry for that happend to innocent people.
And just want to express themselves without consideration, it seems, as if the situtation was not tense enough, on antther thought, they just do it on prupose to create more tension and send another unconcious message to the masses ...
I am in the middle of looking out more about this groups, in short Endavant, is a group that had been vandalizing around because they are against tourism(??) _http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3106630/0/grupo-endavant-suma-ataques-turismo-barcelona/ ... will go read more about this groups, either side ...
https://www.rt.com/news/400176-scuffles-police-rallies-barcelona/ said:
I am in the middle of looking out more about this groups, in short Endavant, is a group that had been vandalizing around because they are against tourism(??) _http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/3106630/0/grupo-endavant-suma-ataques-turismo-barcelona/ ... will go read more about this groups, either side ...
angelburst29
The Living Force
Re: Van Mows Down People on Barcelona's Ramblas: 13 confirmed dead, dozens injured
An individual who had identified himself as Driss Oukabir Soprano has come to Spanish police to report about the theft of his identification documents, local media reported Thursday.
Driss Oukabir Who Rented Barcelona Attack Van Reports Theft of Documents
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201708171056557422-barcelona-attack-van-documents-theft/
Earlier in the day, a van hit pedestrians in Barcelona’s central Ramblas area. The police confirmed that the attack was of terrorist nature. Local media reported, that the Spanish authorities had detained two people, including Oukabir, in relation to the attack.
According to Spanish newspaper La Vanguardia, Oukabir said that his documents had been stolen as he arrived at the police station in the town of Ripoll where he resided.
Earlier in the day, the police reportedly distributed Oukabir's image stating he was the suspected terror attack perpetrator. The distributed image does not correspond with the actual appearance of the suspected attacker detained by the authorities, the newspaper suggested.
The El Pais newspaper reported citing the Spanish Civil Guard earlier on Thursday that the van involved in the attack had been rented by Oukabir in Catalonia’s Santa Perpetua de la Mogada municipality.
The El Periodico newspaper reported that Mayor of Ripoll Jordi Munell confirmed the capturing of Oukabir by the law enforcement while he was on the way to the police station to report about the theft of the ID. According to the newspaper, citing sources, Oukabir had earlier spent a month in Figueres prison over sexual offense.
Catalan Home Affairs Minister Joaquim Forn Chiariello confirmed that at least 13 people had been killed and over 50 injured in the van attack. Catalonia’s President Carles Puigdemont, in turn, said that 80 people were taken to hospital after the terror act.
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According to the newspaper, five members of the cell have been killed, while three more have been detained by law enforcement officials.
The media outlet added that four more people, including an alleged perpetrator of the Barcelona attack, are on the run from police.
A number of foreign leaders, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres among others, have already extended their condolences to the Spanish people.
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Gaby said:
An individual who had identified himself as Driss Oukabir Soprano has come to Spanish police to report about the theft of his identification documents, local media reported Thursday.
Driss Oukabir Who Rented Barcelona Attack Van Reports Theft of Documents
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201708171056557422-barcelona-attack-van-documents-theft/
Earlier in the day, a van hit pedestrians in Barcelona’s central Ramblas area. The police confirmed that the attack was of terrorist nature. Local media reported, that the Spanish authorities had detained two people, including Oukabir, in relation to the attack.
According to Spanish newspaper La Vanguardia, Oukabir said that his documents had been stolen as he arrived at the police station in the town of Ripoll where he resided.
Earlier in the day, the police reportedly distributed Oukabir's image stating he was the suspected terror attack perpetrator. The distributed image does not correspond with the actual appearance of the suspected attacker detained by the authorities, the newspaper suggested.
The El Pais newspaper reported citing the Spanish Civil Guard earlier on Thursday that the van involved in the attack had been rented by Oukabir in Catalonia’s Santa Perpetua de la Mogada municipality.
The El Periodico newspaper reported that Mayor of Ripoll Jordi Munell confirmed the capturing of Oukabir by the law enforcement while he was on the way to the police station to report about the theft of the ID. According to the newspaper, citing sources, Oukabir had earlier spent a month in Figueres prison over sexual offense.
Catalan Home Affairs Minister Joaquim Forn Chiariello confirmed that at least 13 people had been killed and over 50 injured in the van attack. Catalonia’s President Carles Puigdemont, in turn, said that 80 people were taken to hospital after the terror act.
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https://sputniknews.com/military/201708181056575789-cia-barcelona-attacks-warned/
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https://sputniknews.com/europe/201708181056569487-spain-police-attackers-belts/
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https://sputniknews.com/europe/201708181056573472-catalonia-terror-attacks/
According to the newspaper, five members of the cell have been killed, while three more have been detained by law enforcement officials.
The media outlet added that four more people, including an alleged perpetrator of the Barcelona attack, are on the run from police.
A number of foreign leaders, including Russian President Vladimir Putin, French President Emmanuel Macron and UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres among others, have already extended their condolences to the Spanish people.
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https://sputniknews.com/europe/201708181056573187-catalonia-terrorist-attack-death-toll/
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Re: Van Mows Down People on Barcelona's Ramblas: 13 confirmed dead, dozens injured
It's always the same modus operandi. Some how he's chosen (via religion), to become the scapegoat, with no real prof that he was ID by anyone who witnessed the event.
It's getting to the point that the people will hopefully see through this continued false narrative of who killed cock robin.
There's always a level of tension here after these attacks. Brown people or anyone not appearing native here get the looks. It seems the older generations, and all those that take in news from state and local news sources are the most vulnerable and separated from reality. Easy pray by the PBT and there dialog.
Stay safe Dr. Gaby
From Mail on Line
Inside flat where 'Las Ramblas jihadi' Moussa Oukabir lived with his mother and sisters as neighbours say he's a 'normal teenager who loves football'
_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4802644/Inside-flat-Las-Ramblas-jihadi-Moussa-Oukair-lived.html#ixzz4q8JDJulj
Snip:
Gaby said:
It's always the same modus operandi. Some how he's chosen (via religion), to become the scapegoat, with no real prof that he was ID by anyone who witnessed the event.
It's getting to the point that the people will hopefully see through this continued false narrative of who killed cock robin.
There's always a level of tension here after these attacks. Brown people or anyone not appearing native here get the looks. It seems the older generations, and all those that take in news from state and local news sources are the most vulnerable and separated from reality. Easy pray by the PBT and there dialog.
Stay safe Dr. Gaby
From Mail on Line
Inside flat where 'Las Ramblas jihadi' Moussa Oukabir lived with his mother and sisters as neighbours say he's a 'normal teenager who loves football'
_http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4802644/Inside-flat-Las-Ramblas-jihadi-Moussa-Oukair-lived.html#ixzz4q8JDJulj
Snip:
'I can't believe that he [Moussa Oukabir] lives here. They are a quiet family. There is nothing remarkable about them.
'There is the mother and her children – two daughters and two sons, Driss and Moussa. The father does not live there anymore. He and the mother are separated.
'Driss does not live there anymore. He lives with his girlfriend.
'To be honest Moussa always seemed like a normal kid, nothing remarkable.'
Another neighbour, who asked not to be named, added: 'I know Moussa he is a normal kid. He is a student, he studies IT. He lives to play football.
'I know his dad as well. He doesn't live here anymore but he is still in the area.
'The family are not particularly religious. I don't ever remember seeing Moussa at the mosque.
SocietyoftheSpectacle
Jedi Master
mabar said:
I live in Barcelona also,
and I thought the Attack on the tourist BUS
had all the signs of Provocateurs.
I can only surmise that some powerful people are a little bit scared of the coming
Independence Vote on October 1st.
Fortunately I got the feeling that the Tourist Bus Attack was handled well,
with the Issues being Explained very clearly in the Press,
( although not in the rest of Europe )
This report in Spanish says that the car which fled from a police checkpoint running over a couple of policemen was shot ten times by one of them but it fled anyway. Later it was found abandoned elsewhere and there was a dead man inside, lying between the driver's and copilot's seats, and surprisingly with no bullet wounds but repeatedly stabbed to death. So maybe there were two accomplices in the car, one killing the other later. Or one of the terrorists, perhaps the driver of the van himself, murdered someone to steal their car after fleeing the scene at the Ramblas. Many questions unanswered.
Since the first attack of that type (car or truck driving into people) happened a couple of months ago, it started to happen all over the place in many different countries and especially in europe. My guess is that at least part of it can be generally explained by the increased madness in society and "greenbaum" programmed individuals going off now, ever more frequently (paraphrasing the Cassiopaeans). Same phenomenon with people stabbing others randomly, not only in public places. This also seems to have increased.
Today's car accident in Sydney is not considered to be a terror attack according to the press, but I'll share it here for the record. There's been so much violence over the globe these couple of days. :(
_https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36769270/car-drives-into-chatswood-mall-injuring-pedestrians/
_https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/36769270/car-drives-into-chatswood-mall-injuring-pedestrians/
angelburst29
The Living Force
A car ramming incident in Sydney.
A car crashed into a shop in Chatswood Mall in Sydney, injuring several people, including a baby, local media reported Saturday citing police.
Car Reportedly Rams Into Shop in Sydney Injuring Several People
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201708191056598343-car-ramming-shop-sydney-injuries/
According to The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper, the car rammed into pedestrians outside a shopping mall on Victoria Avenue. The police are currently treating the car crash as an accident.
One woman was taken to Royal North Shore Hospital with serious injuries, while four other victims are stable condition.
An investigation into the accident has been launched.
A car crashed into a shop in Chatswood Mall in Sydney, injuring several people, including a baby, local media reported Saturday citing police.
Car Reportedly Rams Into Shop in Sydney Injuring Several People
https://sputniknews.com/asia/201708191056598343-car-ramming-shop-sydney-injuries/
According to The Sydney Morning Herald newspaper, the car rammed into pedestrians outside a shopping mall on Victoria Avenue. The police are currently treating the car crash as an accident.
One woman was taken to Royal North Shore Hospital with serious injuries, while four other victims are stable condition.
An investigation into the accident has been launched.
A very interesting analysis about what happened very similar about we think about this attack by Martin Summers, Tony Gosling
www.thisweek.org.uk -
www.thisweek.org.uk -
angelburst29
The Living Force
“Three fatal incidents believed to be linked to terrorism occur over a 24-hour period and a 190-mile stretch of north-east Spain”
Who Was Behind the Barcelona and Cambrils Attacks? Can We Trust the Official Reports? Update
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-behind-the-barcelona-and-cabril-attacks-can-we-believe-the-official-reports/5604719
“Fourteen people have been confirmed killed in two attacks in Spain on Thursday. Thirteen died when a van was driven in to crowds on Las Ramblas in Barcelona, and one person was killed by a car in Cambrils, a coastal town 75 miles (120km) to the the south. The horrific events appear to have begun the night before, in another town 120 miles south of Barcelona.” (Guardian)
UPDATE (Saturday, August 19, 13.40pm local time, 07.40am ET)
Moussa Oukabir is dead. And now the police reports say we made a mistake, he was not the driver. There is another guy that we are going after. In the meantime two suspected drivers have been killed. One of them, according to police reports was not involved in the attacks.
How many innocent “suspects” have been killed by the police.
According to the latest media reports:
“The driver in Thursday’s van attack that killed 13 people in a tourist area of Barcelona may still be alive and on the run, Spanish police say.” (BBC) His name is Moroccan born Younes Abouyaaqoub, now named by Spanish media as the suspected driver.”
Abouyaaqoub, 22, lived in the town of Ripoll to the north of Barcelona. Three people have been arrested in Ripoll and one person in Alcanar.
Oukabir had previously been seen as the main suspect – but late on Friday police chief Josep Trapero told local TV that the theory that he was the driver now “had less weight”.
A police manhunt to arrest Younes is ongoing. Will he arrested or killed like all the other suspects.
According to police sources (EARLIER REPORTS FRIDAY), the alleged suspect driver of the van Moussa Oukabir, 17 years old (18 in some news reports) in the Las Ramblas attack was shot dead by police on Friday.
Latest reports:
“In the early hours of Friday police shot dead five attackers, including Oukabir, in Cambrils after the men drove a car into pedestrians, killing one woman and injuring six other people.
The attackers’ vehicle overturned and when the men got out they were quickly fired upon by police. One was reportedly brandishing a knife. Police chief Trapero said one officer killed four of the attackers single-handedly (BBC, August 19, 2017)
It is worth noting that two hours after the Barcelona terror attack, a suspect “was shot dead” after driving through a roadblock in Barcelona. According to police reports, he was killed by mistake: “He is now not believed to be linked to the attack.”
Moussa’s brother Driss Oukabir had initially been identified as a suspect when his ID was found at the scene of the Barcelona attack. Following the press reports concerning his ID, Driss went voluntarily to the police station saying that his ID had been stolen and he was not in any way involved in the attacks.
Was his brother Moussa (a suspect according to police reports) the perpetrator? Did a 17 year old have the required experience in driving a van in an allegedly carefully planned operation. (The minimum age in Spain to obtain a driver’s licence for a car or a van is 18 years.)
Moussa is dead, dead men do not talk. But his brother is still alive. Will he live to tell his brother’s real story?
According to the Guardian:
An official with Spain’s police union has backed up earlier reports that the teenager suspected of driving the van into crowds of pedestrians on Las Ramblas was shot dead by police during the shootout in Cambrils on Friday morning. Spanish media reported earlier on Friday that Moussa Oukabir, 17, was among the five men killed by officers after a second vehicle attack. Now, a union official has told AP colleagues in the Civil Guard police force confirmed to him Oukabir was killed in the Cambrils incident. Investigators believe Oukabir was behind the wheel of the van which ploughed into tourists in Barcelona’s city centre on Thursday, killing at least 13 and injuring 100. (Guardian, emphasis added)
Timeline
The following provides a partial timeline of the Barcelona and Cambrils attacks as outlined by the Guardian. We include the Guardian quotes with relevant comments. The Guardian timeline is indented, Our questions and comments are added beneath the indented quote where applicable (QC). In some cases the evidence is not available, in other cases the timeline provides contradictory and/or misleading information.
Wednesday night, Alcanar
“An explosion at a house in the small town of Alcanar, 120 miles south of Barcelona, and the southernmost point of Catalonia, kills one person and wounds 16.
Police say the blast is the result of an accumulation of gas, but do not release further details. Most injuries occur after firefighters and police officers are caught by a second blast while investigating the initial explosion.
Senior police official Josep Lluis Trapero later says the blast was related to the van attack in Barcelona the following day, and that those in the house were attempting to “prepare an explosive device”.”
QC No evidence that this event was related to the Barcelona attack on the following day
Thursday, 5pm, Barcelona
“A white Fiat van veers off the road and into a crowd outside the Plaça de Catalunya metro station.
The driver continues down the pedestrian boulevard of Las Ramblas, a popular tourist destination, for more than 500 metres before stopping and fleeing on foot.
The smashed van is left at the foot of a mosaic by artist Joan Míro.
The attack kills 13 people and leaves about 100 injured.”
6.30pm, Vic
In the town of Vic, 50 miles north of Barcelona, police find a second van, presumed to be a getaway vehicle.
Police say the van was hired at the same time as the Fiat used in the attack.
The perpetrator of the Barcelona attack remains at large.
7pm, ‘terrorist protocol’
“Catalan police confirm they are dealing with a terrorist attack. On Twitter they say they have “activated the terrorist attack protocol” for the region.”
QC. What evidence do they have that this is a terrorist attack?
7.30pm, Sant Just Desvern
A man is killed when he attempts to drive through a police roadblock in the town of Sant Just Desvern, on the outskirts of Barcelona.
Initial reports say he died from police gunfire after running over two officers, leaving one with a broken leg. An official at the time ruled out a connection to the attack on Las Ramblas.
On Friday morning, the Catalan interior minister, Joaquim Forn, contradicts earlier reports, saying the man died of knife wounds not inflicted by police.
He says a connection to the other attacks can no longer be ruled out.
QC What evidence
8pm, suspect arrested
Police confirm one suspect, Driss Oukabir, has been arrested after turning himself in.
The 28-year old Moroccan-born Spanish resident is identified from documents left at the scene. But Oukabir says his passport and ID were stolen, and that he played no part in the attack.
Oukabir is arrested in the northern Catalan town of Ripoll, 70 miles from Barcelona. He tells police he came forward after he saw his name and image being circulated in the media.
The El País newspaper says Oukabir, or someone with his ID, rented the Fiat van used in the attack.
QC: Here The Guardian report is misleading. While earlier reports by El País (August 17) stated that the alleged suspect 28-year-old Driss Oukabir, had been arrested by the Police, El Nacional (quoted by the Daily Express) reported that the suspect: presented himself at a Catalan police station in Ripoll to deny having any involvement in this afternoon’s attack. He claims his ID was stolen and used by the terrorists to rent one of the vans used for the attack. Local sources, confirmed by the town’s mayor, Jordi Munell, have said that the young man, who lives in Ripoll, attended the police station to deny any involvement in the events” (Daily Express, August 17, 2017, emphasis added)
It is worth noting that the Daily Express report contradicts its own headlines which state that he was “arrested”, when in fact he presented himself voluntarily at the Ripoll police station. The headline is a Lie.
9pm, ISIS speaks out
“Islamic State claims responsibility for the attack.
Using the group’s Amaq news agency, Isis claims the perpetrators of the attack are “soldiers of the Islamic State”, but this has not yet been verified. Claims of responsibility by Isis do not necessarily mean there is a direct connection between attackers and the terrorist group.”
QC: ISIS was behind the attacks. It was an act of retribution against the West. The media in chorus –quoting authoritative sources– claims that the choice of Las Ramblas was “part of a strategy on the part of ISIS to target popular destinations in major cities across Europe”. “We know these people [ISIS militants] go for trophies; they go for iconic sites,” said Anthony Glees, director of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham.” (CBC, August 18, 2017)
Reports state without a shred of evidence that the ISIS claimed responsibility and that the attack in Barcelona was carried out by “soldiers of the Islamic State” against “countries participating in the coalition against the ISIS in Syria and Iraq (CBC, August 18, 2017). An absurd proposition: It was the Syrian government SAA forces with the support of Russia and Iran which drove ISIS rebels out of Syria. And Russia is not the target of acts of retribution led by ISIS.
The US-led counterterrorism operation initiated by Obama in 2014 was not meant to go after the ISIS. Quite the opposite: the coalition was killing civilians while providing covert support including weapons to the ISIS.
What the media fails to acknowledge is that the ISIS is a construct of US intelligence, namely an “intelligence asset” which is supported, trained and financed covertly by Washington and its allies including Turkey and Saudi Arabia, UK, France and Israel. There is ample documentation on this issue.
The link between the intelligence services of Western governments and Al Qaeda affiliated terror organizations is crucial and cannot be denied. An understanding of who was behind the attacks must necessarily address the issue of the “State sponsorship” of terrorism.
9.30pm, second suspect arrested
A second unnamed suspect is confirmed as arrested, according to Catalonia’s regional president, Carles Puigdemont.
The police official Josep Lluis Trapero says the second man was born in the Spanish territory of Melilla in northern Morocco, and was arrested in Alcanar, the site of Wednesday’s house explosion.
Friday, 1am, Cambrils
Police kill four alleged terrorists, and injure one, after they carry out a second attack in the coastal town of Cambrils.
Police say the attackers drove an Audi A3 car into pedestrians, injuring six civilians and one police officer.
The Associated Press reports that police said that attackers were wearing what appeared to be explosive belts.
4am, injury toll
The injured suspect in Cambrils dies, bringing the number of dead suspects to five.
Police say one of the injured civilians is in a critical condition and is in hospital.
Catalan interior minister Joaquim Forn contradicts earlier reports about the roadblock in Sant Just Desvern. He says the man, who was the owner of the car, was not driving and was in the passenger seat. He was not killed by police but rather, was stabbed to death.
Forn said a connection to the other attacks was a possibility, and that a hunt was under way to find the person who drove the car to the roadblock.
The injured suspect is dead. How did he die. Was he granted first aid? Was the injured suspect killed by the police?
8.30am, third arrest
Catalonian police say they have arrested a third suspect in connection with the attacks, in Ripoll, where Driss Oukabir had been arrested on Thursday.
9.45am, suspected van driver identified
Spanish police identify 18-year-old Moussa Oukabir as the suspected driver of the van used in Las Ramblas attack, according to reports in Spanish media.
Oukabir is understood to be the younger brother of Driss Oukabir, the man arrested in Ripoll on Thursday. Driss Oukabir is reported to have told police that his identity documents were stolen before they were used to rent the van.
It should be noted that Driss Oukabir went to the police station and told them he was not involved, claiming that his ID had been stolen and used by the terrorists.
Driss’s younger brother Moussa is the suspected driver. What does this suggest. Did Moussa steal his brother’s ID? Did Driss know, when he went to the police that his brother was involved? Or did Moussa steal his brother’s ID as a means to renting the van? If Driss had known that his brother Moussa was involved, would he have gone to the police.
Missing ID or Passport
Driss’ ID was found near the attack in Barcelona.
What is important to point out is that in five previous terror attacks including Manchester, Berlin, Nice, London, New York, a passport or ID was found by the police authorities. In most cases the alleged suspect was known to the authorities.
Is there a pattern? The ID papers of the suspect are often left behind, discovered by police in the wake of a terrorist attack.
Moreover, according to government and media reports pertaining these five previous cases, the suspects were without exception linked to an Al Qaeda affiliated entity.
None of these terror suspects survived. Dead men do not talk.
In the case of Barcelona, the ID of Driss Oukabir was found at the site of the Barcelona attack. In the case of the tragic events in Manchester (May 2017), the bankcard of the alleged suicide bomber Salman Abedi was found in his pocket in the wake of the explosion.
Moussa Oukabir was killed. His brother Driss Oukabir is still alive and formally under police protection.
11.30am Overall death toll rises to 14
Police say a Spanish woman has died of injuries sustained in the Cambrils attack, taking the overall toll to 14.
12.40pm, fourth arrest
Spanish media report that a fourth person has been arrested in connection with the attacks.
Friday afternoon, suspects reportedly sought
The Barcelona-based newspaper La Vanguardia reported late on Friday afternoon that the police were hunting four suspects aged 17, 18, 22, and 24. It named them as Moussa Oukabir – the suspect thought to have driven the van along Las Ramblas – Mohamed Hychami, Younes Abouyaaqoub, and Said Aallaa. All live in or close to the Catalonian town of Ripoll.
See update at top of article. These suspects were shot dead including Moussa Oukabir.
All the suspects have been killed. No testimony, no controversy, the suspects are terrorists. As in previous terror attacks in Western Europe, almost without exception, all the suspects are shot dead by police.
Who Was Behind the Barcelona and Cambrils Attacks? Can We Trust the Official Reports? Update
http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-behind-the-barcelona-and-cabril-attacks-can-we-believe-the-official-reports/5604719
“Fourteen people have been confirmed killed in two attacks in Spain on Thursday. Thirteen died when a van was driven in to crowds on Las Ramblas in Barcelona, and one person was killed by a car in Cambrils, a coastal town 75 miles (120km) to the the south. The horrific events appear to have begun the night before, in another town 120 miles south of Barcelona.” (Guardian)
UPDATE (Saturday, August 19, 13.40pm local time, 07.40am ET)
Moussa Oukabir is dead. And now the police reports say we made a mistake, he was not the driver. There is another guy that we are going after. In the meantime two suspected drivers have been killed. One of them, according to police reports was not involved in the attacks.
How many innocent “suspects” have been killed by the police.
According to the latest media reports:
“The driver in Thursday’s van attack that killed 13 people in a tourist area of Barcelona may still be alive and on the run, Spanish police say.” (BBC) His name is Moroccan born Younes Abouyaaqoub, now named by Spanish media as the suspected driver.”
Abouyaaqoub, 22, lived in the town of Ripoll to the north of Barcelona. Three people have been arrested in Ripoll and one person in Alcanar.
Oukabir had previously been seen as the main suspect – but late on Friday police chief Josep Trapero told local TV that the theory that he was the driver now “had less weight”.
A police manhunt to arrest Younes is ongoing. Will he arrested or killed like all the other suspects.
According to police sources (EARLIER REPORTS FRIDAY), the alleged suspect driver of the van Moussa Oukabir, 17 years old (18 in some news reports) in the Las Ramblas attack was shot dead by police on Friday.
Latest reports:
“In the early hours of Friday police shot dead five attackers, including Oukabir, in Cambrils after the men drove a car into pedestrians, killing one woman and injuring six other people.
The attackers’ vehicle overturned and when the men got out they were quickly fired upon by police. One was reportedly brandishing a knife. Police chief Trapero said one officer killed four of the attackers single-handedly (BBC, August 19, 2017)
It is worth noting that two hours after the Barcelona terror attack, a suspect “was shot dead” after driving through a roadblock in Barcelona. According to police reports, he was killed by mistake: “He is now not believed to be linked to the attack.”
Moussa’s brother Driss Oukabir had initially been identified as a suspect when his ID was found at the scene of the Barcelona attack. Following the press reports concerning his ID, Driss went voluntarily to the police station saying that his ID had been stolen and he was not in any way involved in the attacks.
Was his brother Moussa (a suspect according to police reports) the perpetrator? Did a 17 year old have the required experience in driving a van in an allegedly carefully planned operation. (The minimum age in Spain to obtain a driver’s licence for a car or a van is 18 years.)
Moussa is dead, dead men do not talk. But his brother is still alive. Will he live to tell his brother’s real story?
According to the Guardian:
An official with Spain’s police union has backed up earlier reports that the teenager suspected of driving the van into crowds of pedestrians on Las Ramblas was shot dead by police during the shootout in Cambrils on Friday morning. Spanish media reported earlier on Friday that Moussa Oukabir, 17, was among the five men killed by officers after a second vehicle attack. Now, a union official has told AP colleagues in the Civil Guard police force confirmed to him Oukabir was killed in the Cambrils incident. Investigators believe Oukabir was behind the wheel of the van which ploughed into tourists in Barcelona’s city centre on Thursday, killing at least 13 and injuring 100. (Guardian, emphasis added)
Timeline
The following provides a partial timeline of the Barcelona and Cambrils attacks as outlined by the Guardian. We include the Guardian quotes with relevant comments. The Guardian timeline is indented, Our questions and comments are added beneath the indented quote where applicable (QC). In some cases the evidence is not available, in other cases the timeline provides contradictory and/or misleading information.
Wednesday night, Alcanar
“An explosion at a house in the small town of Alcanar, 120 miles south of Barcelona, and the southernmost point of Catalonia, kills one person and wounds 16.
Police say the blast is the result of an accumulation of gas, but do not release further details. Most injuries occur after firefighters and police officers are caught by a second blast while investigating the initial explosion.
Senior police official Josep Lluis Trapero later says the blast was related to the van attack in Barcelona the following day, and that those in the house were attempting to “prepare an explosive device”.”
QC No evidence that this event was related to the Barcelona attack on the following day
Thursday, 5pm, Barcelona
“A white Fiat van veers off the road and into a crowd outside the Plaça de Catalunya metro station.
The driver continues down the pedestrian boulevard of Las Ramblas, a popular tourist destination, for more than 500 metres before stopping and fleeing on foot.
The smashed van is left at the foot of a mosaic by artist Joan Míro.
The attack kills 13 people and leaves about 100 injured.”
6.30pm, Vic
In the town of Vic, 50 miles north of Barcelona, police find a second van, presumed to be a getaway vehicle.
Police say the van was hired at the same time as the Fiat used in the attack.
The perpetrator of the Barcelona attack remains at large.
7pm, ‘terrorist protocol’
“Catalan police confirm they are dealing with a terrorist attack. On Twitter they say they have “activated the terrorist attack protocol” for the region.”
QC. What evidence do they have that this is a terrorist attack?
7.30pm, Sant Just Desvern
A man is killed when he attempts to drive through a police roadblock in the town of Sant Just Desvern, on the outskirts of Barcelona.
Initial reports say he died from police gunfire after running over two officers, leaving one with a broken leg. An official at the time ruled out a connection to the attack on Las Ramblas.
On Friday morning, the Catalan interior minister, Joaquim Forn, contradicts earlier reports, saying the man died of knife wounds not inflicted by police.
He says a connection to the other attacks can no longer be ruled out.
QC What evidence
8pm, suspect arrested
Police confirm one suspect, Driss Oukabir, has been arrested after turning himself in.
The 28-year old Moroccan-born Spanish resident is identified from documents left at the scene. But Oukabir says his passport and ID were stolen, and that he played no part in the attack.
Oukabir is arrested in the northern Catalan town of Ripoll, 70 miles from Barcelona. He tells police he came forward after he saw his name and image being circulated in the media.
The El País newspaper says Oukabir, or someone with his ID, rented the Fiat van used in the attack.
QC: Here The Guardian report is misleading. While earlier reports by El País (August 17) stated that the alleged suspect 28-year-old Driss Oukabir, had been arrested by the Police, El Nacional (quoted by the Daily Express) reported that the suspect: presented himself at a Catalan police station in Ripoll to deny having any involvement in this afternoon’s attack. He claims his ID was stolen and used by the terrorists to rent one of the vans used for the attack. Local sources, confirmed by the town’s mayor, Jordi Munell, have said that the young man, who lives in Ripoll, attended the police station to deny any involvement in the events” (Daily Express, August 17, 2017, emphasis added)
It is worth noting that the Daily Express report contradicts its own headlines which state that he was “arrested”, when in fact he presented himself voluntarily at the Ripoll police station. The headline is a Lie.
9pm, ISIS speaks out
“Islamic State claims responsibility for the attack.
Using the group’s Amaq news agency, Isis claims the perpetrators of the attack are “soldiers of the Islamic State”, but this has not yet been verified. Claims of responsibility by Isis do not necessarily mean there is a direct connection between attackers and the terrorist group.”
QC: ISIS was behind the attacks. It was an act of retribution against the West. The media in chorus –quoting authoritative sources– claims that the choice of Las Ramblas was “part of a strategy on the part of ISIS to target popular destinations in major cities across Europe”. “We know these people [ISIS militants] go for trophies; they go for iconic sites,” said Anthony Glees, director of the Centre for Security and Intelligence Studies at the University of Buckingham.” (CBC, August 18, 2017)
Reports state without a shred of evidence that the ISIS claimed responsibility and that the attack in Barcelona was carried out by “soldiers of the Islamic State” against “countries participating in the coalition against the ISIS in Syria and Iraq (CBC, August 18, 2017). An absurd proposition: It was the Syrian government SAA forces with the support of Russia and Iran which drove ISIS rebels out of Syria. And Russia is not the target of acts of retribution led by ISIS.
The US-led counterterrorism operation initiated by Obama in 2014 was not meant to go after the ISIS. Quite the opposite: the coalition was killing civilians while providing covert support including weapons to the ISIS.
What the media fails to acknowledge is that the ISIS is a construct of US intelligence, namely an “intelligence asset” which is supported, trained and financed covertly by Washington and its allies including Turkey and Saudi Arabia, UK, France and Israel. There is ample documentation on this issue.
The link between the intelligence services of Western governments and Al Qaeda affiliated terror organizations is crucial and cannot be denied. An understanding of who was behind the attacks must necessarily address the issue of the “State sponsorship” of terrorism.
9.30pm, second suspect arrested
A second unnamed suspect is confirmed as arrested, according to Catalonia’s regional president, Carles Puigdemont.
The police official Josep Lluis Trapero says the second man was born in the Spanish territory of Melilla in northern Morocco, and was arrested in Alcanar, the site of Wednesday’s house explosion.
Friday, 1am, Cambrils
Police kill four alleged terrorists, and injure one, after they carry out a second attack in the coastal town of Cambrils.
Police say the attackers drove an Audi A3 car into pedestrians, injuring six civilians and one police officer.
The Associated Press reports that police said that attackers were wearing what appeared to be explosive belts.
4am, injury toll
The injured suspect in Cambrils dies, bringing the number of dead suspects to five.
Police say one of the injured civilians is in a critical condition and is in hospital.
Catalan interior minister Joaquim Forn contradicts earlier reports about the roadblock in Sant Just Desvern. He says the man, who was the owner of the car, was not driving and was in the passenger seat. He was not killed by police but rather, was stabbed to death.
Forn said a connection to the other attacks was a possibility, and that a hunt was under way to find the person who drove the car to the roadblock.
The injured suspect is dead. How did he die. Was he granted first aid? Was the injured suspect killed by the police?
8.30am, third arrest
Catalonian police say they have arrested a third suspect in connection with the attacks, in Ripoll, where Driss Oukabir had been arrested on Thursday.
9.45am, suspected van driver identified
Spanish police identify 18-year-old Moussa Oukabir as the suspected driver of the van used in Las Ramblas attack, according to reports in Spanish media.
Oukabir is understood to be the younger brother of Driss Oukabir, the man arrested in Ripoll on Thursday. Driss Oukabir is reported to have told police that his identity documents were stolen before they were used to rent the van.
It should be noted that Driss Oukabir went to the police station and told them he was not involved, claiming that his ID had been stolen and used by the terrorists.
Driss’s younger brother Moussa is the suspected driver. What does this suggest. Did Moussa steal his brother’s ID? Did Driss know, when he went to the police that his brother was involved? Or did Moussa steal his brother’s ID as a means to renting the van? If Driss had known that his brother Moussa was involved, would he have gone to the police.
Missing ID or Passport
Driss’ ID was found near the attack in Barcelona.
What is important to point out is that in five previous terror attacks including Manchester, Berlin, Nice, London, New York, a passport or ID was found by the police authorities. In most cases the alleged suspect was known to the authorities.
Is there a pattern? The ID papers of the suspect are often left behind, discovered by police in the wake of a terrorist attack.
Moreover, according to government and media reports pertaining these five previous cases, the suspects were without exception linked to an Al Qaeda affiliated entity.
None of these terror suspects survived. Dead men do not talk.
In the case of Barcelona, the ID of Driss Oukabir was found at the site of the Barcelona attack. In the case of the tragic events in Manchester (May 2017), the bankcard of the alleged suicide bomber Salman Abedi was found in his pocket in the wake of the explosion.
Moussa Oukabir was killed. His brother Driss Oukabir is still alive and formally under police protection.
11.30am Overall death toll rises to 14
Police say a Spanish woman has died of injuries sustained in the Cambrils attack, taking the overall toll to 14.
12.40pm, fourth arrest
Spanish media report that a fourth person has been arrested in connection with the attacks.
Friday afternoon, suspects reportedly sought
The Barcelona-based newspaper La Vanguardia reported late on Friday afternoon that the police were hunting four suspects aged 17, 18, 22, and 24. It named them as Moussa Oukabir – the suspect thought to have driven the van along Las Ramblas – Mohamed Hychami, Younes Abouyaaqoub, and Said Aallaa. All live in or close to the Catalonian town of Ripoll.
See update at top of article. These suspects were shot dead including Moussa Oukabir.
All the suspects have been killed. No testimony, no controversy, the suspects are terrorists. As in previous terror attacks in Western Europe, almost without exception, all the suspects are shot dead by police.
Siberia said:
It made me think of what the C's had said about strange things that would happen as a result of overlapping with 4D energies.
A: Not that simple... Picture driving to reach New Mexico by car and "skipping" over and arriving in San Diego instead, or... driving to the grocery store in Santa Fe, and winding up in Moscow, instead.
So it is conceivable that some of these people driving into crowds, at high speeds, are experiencing something like this. Who knows, maybe there is the capability to direct certain energies with the intent of causing this. Also, if it is just random, it still could be portrayed in the media as terrorism with not to much effort on their part.
Just thinking out loud...
