Veterans on the brink of suicide.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/213010-Veterans-on-the-Brink-of-Suicide

So after joining SOTT, I came across this article and after reading it some thoughts hit home.
This may come off as sounding callous to some but i sincerely hope this doesn't become portrayed in that way.

Being a veteran and knowing firsthand what one goes through in being in the military I have to come to the conclusion that most of the veteran's that are suicidal or have committed suicide have been unable to cope with the brainwashing that one has to go through in "basic training". In my personal experience from watching people i knew that came back from oversea's I have loosely grouped them into 3 category's. 1st group comprises of people that have a strong will and are not entirely subdued to the extremes of the military's brainwashing but regardless have serious conflicts after getting out and/or after getting back stateside. 2ND group, people who completely give in to the brainwashing and end up losing there minds, literally. 3rd group, people that had strong wills but lost themselves in the inner conflict that one goes through after returning home and eventually commit suicide. The main thing that really peaked my curiosity is the fact that very rarely does the Veterans Administration take any blame for suicides. I have heard countless stories from other vets that have said they lost dear friends and loved ones over financial issues the VA continuously brings up. The most common factor in veteran suicides that I have noticed is when the VA deny's ones disability claim or the VA deny's a veteran "mental help". I quote that because the VA does not offer any help what so ever. Instead they push countless drugs upon veterans that in my mind are designed to make the veteran commit suicide. I have known veterans that have been on multiple drugs that are basically more toxic that crack cocaine, heroine and meth combined in one pill. It is truly sad that even though looking back joining the military isn't a decision I would make again that most people that turn to the military and VA for help end up taking there lives or ruining there mind with drugs they neither need nor want. I say not wanting because when one is on the VA cocktail they are far from capable of making a smart choice, there usually so out of it that they just say yes and take the pills so they will one day "get better". I truly believe that there is something going on behind the scene's with veterans committing suicide to cover up something. Being a veteran in today's world is a hard thing to accept and deal with due to the brainwashing that occurs throughout ones military career. It is a sad day indeed that this mass murder occurs out in the open yet remains so hidden that most readily accept it.
 
This is truly a tragic nightmare that vets have to go through, without any help from those who have, in all actuality, done this to them. For anyone who read Sott, this is nothing new. There are articles on this fact that vets get NO support from the VA and it is hard to read.

Can they be doing this intentionally? I wouldn't put anything past these entropic people. But the fact of the matter is that they just don't care about the suffering that these soldiers are going through. These men and women who have given their sanity to do what, at the time, they thought was a good thing, were nothing but cannon fodder, and are now useless feeders to those in the VA and military industrial complex. They are nothing but animals to them. And it is truly sad to see this happening. Especially, as you say, that the public seem to be blind to this fact. But, then, how widely reported is it in the mainstream media?

I am wondering, shadowsaround, have you started doing the EE breathing and mediation program? If so, do you think that this would help some of these vets that have been traumatized?

I, myself, think it would help them immensely, but I am wondering what you think.
 
Nienna Eluch said:
I am wondering, shadowsaround, have you started doing the EE breathing and mediation program? If so, do you think that this would help some of these vets that have been traumatized?

I, myself, think it would help them immensely, but I am wondering what you think.

I have started with it and it has helped me. I have only begun the program but I have had very good success with it. Example, last Friday night I helped a friend out working security at a bar. That night we had one huge barfight between at least 10 to 20 people with all there "friends". I never actually fought people just picked them up and escorted them out of the bar. After it was over I noticed my hands and body where shaking and I just started to doing PB right on the sidewalk. Instantly I calmed down and was back in control of myself.
As far as other veterans go I personally think it would be a 50/50 situation. I say that because it really all depends on how strong willed the veteran is and how far he is willing to take the fight to live. Many times in the past especially between 2006-2007 I had alot of issue's with being suicidal. I longer feel that way now but it may come up again. I've had to fight to push my way through alot of undesirable issue's. My former roommate from the army is my opposite, Kubrick is his last name (I don't remember his first). I first saw him when I was released out of the hospital and i still vividly remember the first time i saw his eye's. I felt like I was looking at the cosmos, black and starlit. It to me at the time felt like he had completely given up all hope. In all sincerity I think it is based on how much trauma one has seen or gone through mentally or physically. Another factor would be how much/how long one has been on "psychotropic medicine". The EE breathing program and especially detoxification would be essential to helping veterans down the road to true recovery. Personally I think 80% of the current OIF/OEF veterans could avoid the road I took by doing those two things along with following the advice posted on the forum. The biggest challenge would be getting away from the VA medication and the illegal drug use along with staying away from the "shrinks".
 
Hi shadowsaround, that's great you've begun the EE program and found it helpful. Since it has cumulative effect, you will find it even more effective over the time if only you can find the motivation and be persistent. I truly hope you'll succeed and manage to disperse at some point those shadows around you. :) BTW, I don't think what you shared here sounded callous. That's just a view from inside helping us understand that problem and on the other hand, as much as it must be difficult and painful to you, sharing and expressing your thoughts/feelings can also help in the healing process. Or so I think. Thank you for sharing.

Like Nienna, I too was curious about your take on that. A 50/50 situation, as you say, is better than nothing. With all that those people had to go through they simply deserve a human treatment and every help that can be available. The question is, how to reach them. I'll do some searching myself and will think about possible ways, but if anyone has an idea, don't hesitate to share it.
 
as much as it must be difficult and painful to you, sharing and expressing your thoughts/feelings can also help in the healing process. Or so I think. Thank you for sharing.

Personally I think that I chose this path to teach me many things in a very short amount of time. I have to say I am not like most veterans that served in the war. I only spent 3 weeks in Kuwait and 3 days in Baghdad before my injuries sent me home. In a weird way i still feel that everything that happened to me happened to me for a reason and it has made me stronger due to the fact that I kept putting one foot in front of the other. Since Ive discovered I can't judge myself then the lesson I taught myself the hard way was, if you put your mind to it and truly believe then you can do anything. It used to be hard but I always knew I had help from various sources, to me it was a matter of perseverance and much to my annoyance a lesson in patience :lol: . I'm trying not to be to personal here if this is what it seems.
 
Interesting timing, this thread.


I just interviewed for 2 positions at a VA hospital in the mental health division. One as a nurse in the outpatient clinic doing assessments and group activities, the other as a nurse case manager. My question is is it possible to give "human treatment" to people who may have a 50/50 chance of improving in such a setting where shrinks and medications abound? Or is it delusional to think that one can work in this setting and be of a positive influence to any one?
 
Odyssey said:
Interesting timing, this thread.


I just interviewed for 2 positions at a VA hospital in the mental health division. One as a nurse in the outpatient clinic doing assessments and group activities, the other as a nurse case manager. My question is is it possible to give "human treatment" to people who may have a 50/50 chance of improving in such a setting where shrinks and medications abound? Or is it delusional to think that one can work in this setting and be of a positive influence to any one?

Its not at all delusional in my opinions, but being blunt, If one wishes to truly help people while working for the VA they will have a very tough career. In my 5 years of dealing with the VA I have come across a few people who truly wanted to help veterans get better. One of these was my old case worker. He helped me out alot then one day he "was transferred somewhere". In my experience the one's that are "vet friendly" usually do not last too long and I've heard stories about how there either forced to "go along with the program" or find another job. The first shrink I used to see ended up changing in a weird way that I can not explain. She was very vet friendly but seemed "burned out". then one day i saw her after an extended absence and she was different. All I know was my warnings would go off every time she was around. Though maybe you could take the GABA post and some of the others and recommend them offhand and under the table to veterans. Keep in mind though, that most veterans are not as open minded as most and they tend to feel closed off in there tight knit "group". Just my 0.02 cents but listen to your heart and thoughts, not my words.
 
Thanks for the commentary, shadowsaround.

shadowsaround said:
1st group comprises of people that have a strong will and are not entirely subdued to the extremes of the military's brainwashing but regardless have serious conflicts after getting out and/or after getting back stateside. 2ND group, people who completely give in to the brainwashing and end up losing there minds, literally. 3rd group, people that had strong wills but lost themselves in the inner conflict that one goes through after returning home and eventually commit suicide.

I'd expand this and add:

4) Those for whom the brainwashing simply provides the excuse (i.e. the proper environment) to make their latent traits come to the surface. These would be the 6% Lobaczewski describes, who "fit right in" because it is in their nature to be warlike.

Nienna Eluch said:
Can they be doing this intentionally? I wouldn't put anything past these entropic people.

I'd say yes, absolutely. From ponerology:

Thus, the biological, psychological, moral, and economic destruction of the
majority of normal people becomes, for the pathocrats, a “biological” necessity.
Many means serve this end, starting with concentration camps and including war-
fare with an obstinate, well-armed foe who will devastate and debilitate the human
power thrown at him, namely the very power jeopardizing pathocrats rule: the sons
of normal man sent out to fight for an illusionary “noble cause.” Once safely dead,
the soldiers will then be decreed heroes to be revered in paeans, useful for raising
a new generation faithful to the pathocracy and ever willing to go to their deaths to
protect it.


Any war waged by a pathocratic nation has two fronts, the internal and the ex-
ternal. The internal front is more important for the leaders and the governing elite,
and the internal threat is the deciding factor where unleashing war is concerned.
In
pondering whether to start a war against the pathocratic country, other nations
must therefore give primary consideration to the fact that such a war can be used
as an executioner of the common people whose increasing power represents in-
cipient jeopardy for the pathocracy.
After all, pathocrats give short shrift to blood
and suffering of people they consider to be not quite conspecific. Kings may have
suffered due to the death of their knights, but pathocrats never do: “We have a lot
of people here.” Should the situation be, or become, ripe in such a country, how-
ever, anyone furnishing assistance to the nation will be blessed by it; anyone with-
holding it will be cursed.
 
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