Virus that starts with Abscess/Tooth infection

Jonathan said:
I'm glad to hear your tooth is better despite the effects of the virus continuing. :) / :(

Regarding liposomal C, it may not be a true liposomal solution, but I've found that a high-speed blender comes close. I can take 30-50 grams at a time without reaching bowel tolerance using this method:

- Heat some water to about 180/200 degrees F, 82/93 C.
- In a glass put 2 tablespoons (or as much as you want) coconut oil and pour enough hot water over it to help it melt. Set that aside.
- In the blender, put your ascorbic acid powder and baking soda and pour some room temp or cold water over top of it, pulse blend it for a second to mix it together, then let sit until the bubbles subside. I use 1 tbsp ascorbic acid (about 15 grams) and 1.5 tsp baking soda (about 7.5 grams) to make a sodium ascorbate solution.
- Once the bubbles go down and the ascorbate has formed, drop in the contents of the glass with the melted coconut oil and blend at high speed for 3-4 minutes.
- Once blended, chug it down.


Note: I add other things to this solution sometimes as well, depending on how I'm feeling, like magnesium powder or a nanosilver solution.

Also, if you have a virus, read up on the amino acids argenine and lysine. You definitely want to stay away from argenine-rich foods like nuts and grains, and up your lysine rich foods like butter and eggs. Viruses feed on argenine, and lysine cuts off their ability to feed. Your body makes argenine by itself but not so much lysine, so we need to supplement. I can attest that when I had shingles (which is a form of the herpes virus, herpes zoster), I believe that taking lysine along with my vit C is what killed the shingles within less than a month, with very little pain compared to "normal" cases. Here's some reference:

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysine
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arginine
_http://www.wisegeekhealth.com/what-is-the-connection-between-lysine-and-arginine.htm

A lot of the research you'll find on lysine/argenine relates specifically to herpes, but I've found doctors online who say Lysine can be effective in treating all viral infections, depending on the severity of course.

Also if you are able, look into selenium.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selenium

And check out this article from SOTT, I would think all of these listed protocols would be effective in the treatment of any viral infection:

http://www.sott.net/article/283217-Natural-allopathic-treatment-modalities-for-Ebola

I hope you are able to get better!

(edited for spelling)

Jonathan,
Thank you for the Vit C recipe.

As for Arginine I tend to disagree. It is an amino acid found in many foods, particularly in a nice chicken soup. According to Dr. Mercola, "Amino acids such as glycine, proline, and arginine all have anti-inflammatory effects. Arginine, for example, has been found to be particularly beneficial for the treatment of sepsis5 (whole-body inflammation)." Reference http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/16/bone-broth-benefits.aspx

Happyliza,
I do hope you feel better and make a full recovery. I had blood poisoning when I was 14 from a tooth infection and almost died. I still have a scar along my cheek from where it spread up my jaw toward the brain. Probably not the same thing you are dealing with but it was definitely no fun.

Kind regards,
Sbeaudry
 
sbeaudry said:
As for Arginine I tend to disagree. It is an amino acid found in many foods, particularly in a nice chicken soup. According to Dr. Mercola, "Amino acids such as glycine, proline, and arginine all have anti-inflammatory effects. Arginine, for example, has been found to be particularly beneficial for the treatment of sepsis5 (whole-body inflammation)." Reference http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/16/bone-broth-benefits.aspx

Sbeaudry, thanks for that resource, I appreciate it kindly. What I found on argenine in my own study was specifically in regards to shingles, and supplementing lysine definitely helped a lot. I will read into what you've cited here in order to learn more, thank you. :)
 
There is also a nice recipe for chicken broth/soup in the Dr. Mercola reference above. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/12/16/bone-broth-benefits.aspx I'll copy and include it in case anyone is interested. I've been using it for my bone broth and it tastes delicious. It does have carrots but not very many and the addition gives a pleasant flavor. Also, I like to add fresh ginger and garlic, but that's just me.

"Perhaps the most important caveat when making broth, whether you're using chicken or beef, is to make sure they're from organically-raised, pastured or grass-fed animals.

Ingredients for homemade chicken broth9

1 whole free-range chicken or 2 to 3 pounds of bony chicken parts, such as necks, backs, breastbones, and wings

Gizzards from one chicken (optional)

2-4 chicken feet (optional)

4 quarts cold filtered water

2 tablespoons vinegar

1 large onion, coarsely chopped

2 carrots, peeled and coarsely chopped

3 celery stalks, coarsely chopped

1 bunch parsley

Please note the addition of vinegar. Not only are fats are ideally combined with acids like vinegar, but when it comes to making broth, the vinegar helps leech all those valuable minerals from the bones into the stockpot water, which is ultimately what you'll be eating. The goal is to extract as many minerals as possible out of the bones into the broth water. Bragg's raw apple cider vinegar is a good choice as it's unfiltered and unpasteurized.

Cooking Directions

There are lots of different ways to make bone broth, and there really isn't a wrong way. You can find different variations online. Here, I'll offer some basic directions. If you're starting out with a whole chicken, you'll of course have plenty of meat as well, which can be added back into the broth later with extra herbs and spices to make a chicken soup. I also use it on my salad.

Fill up a large stockpot (or large crockpot) with pure, filtered water. (A crockpot is recommended for safety reasons if you have to leave home while it's cooking.)
Add vinegar and all vegetables except parsley to the water.
Place the whole chicken or chicken carcass into the pot.
Bring to a boil, and remove any scum that rises to the top.
Reduce the heat to the lowest setting and let simmer.
If cooking a whole chicken, the meat should start separating from the bone after about 2 hours. Simply remove the chicken from the pot and separate the meat from the bones. Place the carcass back into the pot and continue simmering the bones for another 12-24 hours and follow with step 8 and 9.
If cooking bones only, simply let them simmer for about 24 hours.
Fallon suggests adding the fresh parsley about 10 minutes before finishing the stock, as this will add healthy mineral ions to your broth.
Remove remaining bones from the broth with a slotted spoon and strain the rest through a strainer to remove any bone fragments."

Hope this helps in some way
 
One thing I like to do with my roasts/broth to add acid is to add some cranberry or a bag of cranberry tea. Often minerals are better absorbed when you have a combination of different acids than using all one acid. Furthermore, many of the mineral salts of acetic acid (vinegar) are considered inflammatory. So using acid from multiple sources such as citrus, vinegar, lactoferment, cranberry or whatever should be better.
 
That's an interesting idea. I have some frozen lemon rinds. Would that qualify or is juice better? What do you think?
 
Thanks for the new info and the different acids to use in the chicken broth. It actually felt appetizing so must drive and get some chicken tomorrow all being well.
I will update on taking the new things and progress in shifting this lurgy! :cool2: :) :hug2: :hug2:
 
happyliza said:
Thanks for the new info and the different acids to use in the chicken broth. It actually felt appetizing so must drive and get some chicken tomorrow all being well.
I will update on taking the new things and progress in shifting this lurgy! :cool2: :) :hug2: :hug2:

Hi happyliza, how are you feeling? Getting any better? Worse?
 
Thanks for asking/checking up Jonathan and sorry for the delay in replying, the reason being that for the last few days I got seriously worse and things got pretty scary so two days ago I had no choice but to take myself to the hospital. I really don't know what this 'thing' is that I am fighting and despite my hospital visit, am still non the wiser.

I went to pay some money off my electric bill on 26th - just 10 mins walk from my flat. After I had to go to the nearest cafe and sit down as I could hardly breathe, or talk because of the lack of breath. I also had the usual nausea and was very light-headed, dizzy and felt very faint. I waited about 2 hours before attempting to walk home and if my dog had not pulled me would not have managed I am sure. The coughing and congestion seems to be worse and the usual complete lack of energy/tiredness.

Below I will copy precisely the situation at the hospital that I communicated with a friend. Driving was a nightmare which I really should not have done as i literally had to force myself to focus on just the 5 minutes to get there:

Hi Semi was traumatic having the 2 blood tests. My head said ok no worries but my body reacted like it was fighting against lord know what. Course my pain threshold when weak is even worse but he asked if he should get his colleague to hold my arm as i was squirming all over the place really traumatized. So the guy kindly held me down - i just dont know why the body terror reaction but could not help it. Perhaps a past life memory? It took one hour to calm down and i couldn't move cos of the trauma result and just slept consciously but mind planning all eventualities re outcome of results.

18:09
Liz Ashley
Why would this occur, not first time but this was truly the worst.

18:10
Liz Ashley
Was then asked to do urine test and despite running for the loo with this and 2 prior coffees and a water could not go. They were waiting for me but didn't even know if i could get to the bathroom without crawling. Anyway eventually girl came in and asked for 2 cups of very cold water and it sorted it.

18:10
Semi Loyka
perhaps fear is like a panic attack
body seizes up

18:11
Liz Ashley
Well the crux of all this, and totally unbelievable, is all my stats came back totally normal.
Yes it was not even in freeze mode i suppose with anxiety it was in flight mode but my head wasn't!
Pos panic attack

18:12
Semi Loyka
well don't fight it then

18:12
Liz Ashley
Anyhow how can all be normal? I know not imagination as so many people have it but no name!
Doctor says stress!

18:12
Semi Loyka
maybe you a simply tired
so feeling bad
immune system weak

18:13
Liz Ashley
Give me passiflora and something for nausea but chemical so will research alternative. BAch remedy impressed me with him though.

18:13
Semi Loyka
yes

18:13
Liz Ashley
Then something else but forgotten already but wil check with pharmace. Good note is that my ketones are +2!

18:13
Semi Loyka
passiflora helped me
energy meridians blocked maybe

18:14
Liz Ashley
So what is this, no name, or very clever virus that can make things look normal. I know fungi and virii are super intelligent and that data is now stored on e-coli!

18:14
Semi Loyka
very deep relaxation will help

18:14
Liz Ashley
Really hhas got me that people literally feel they are dying with this and my mum is no drama queen

18:15
Semi Loyka
try a hot bath with rosemary and jasmine or sandalwood
ne is brain clarity the oters for relaxing sleep/rest
if you are constantly cold it uses up too much energy
get very warm and cosy
you need some deep sleep for body to recuperate

18:21
Liz Ashley
Sorry just saying goodbye to Seyfi hE said he was up last night with the same heartburn and being sick that I had!

18:22
Semi Loyka
oh dear

18:22
Liz Ashley
yes mum said same re sleep.

18:22
Semi Loyka
real sleep is deep let go

18:23
Liz Ashley
I didn't try to fight it on a mental level. AFterwards I realized the trauma would be in every cell again, gosh, so i did try to love those cells!
I didn't have the energy for doing EE nor the breathing with the cough/wheeziness that mum says i would have.
Guess what when he checked my chest it ws perfect. What is going on? Has been awful for weeks why suddenly no wheeze or anything. I am very suspicious of this lurgy
It cost 325tl! but thorough so cannot argue with fact! Must be serious PTSD still, and money worries if anxiety related, plus build up of same

So I am still none the wiser re what this is. My mum and sister still have the tail end of it after 2 months - total fatigue and coughing as well as aches in different parts of the body, especially at the back of the neck and lower back, as well as shaking and cold back.

I am on full dosage of my supplements and have now got some bicarb of soda to make the liposomal when i can lift stuff to get to my mixer. I have been unable to go out and just kept warm on my sofa when not sleeping.

I can only guess that the reason nothing showed up is that it may be vagus nerve related? People say I look like death/anaemic (others had same) and they see similar on final days of cancer patients. One guy said same happened to his wife who died and hospital also didn't 'find' anything wrong. This is not psychosomatic as identical to others - and they are still around!Actually I would say most is very similar to M.E. - even flouride poisoning, but just my guesses.

The test was done at 4pm so not sure of the accuracy of the +2 ketone result. I cannot understand the results as they are just letter abbreviations for everything with normal range by the side.

I will make enquiries to try to find a holistic doctor though it most probably means getting myself over the the South of Cyprus if someone with the necessary car insurance can take me there as there is a clinic in Larnaka but I live in Kyrenia. Energy wise i don't think it is wise to go anywhere at the moment. I don't have any extra energy after a deep sleep even.

I took a small sip of feroglobin in case it could help but don't wish to overdo the iron and added multivitimins for the zinc until i can get just zinc. As well as taking Magnesium I also put it in my bath.

I really cannot explain my body reaction to the blood tests when I took myself there with that intention despite a phobia for needles. However i have to have blood tests every year for my resident's visa and get through it reasonably. You do feel extremely vulnerable with this though.

I still try to do my work on the social media when I can. Any other task is for 5mins or so then too bushed after. Yesterday it took me nearly 8 hours just to do my tarot - which i do every 3 months. I use the Jungian book - The way of the Tarot and write it up in my tarot book so I can plot my progress or otherwise. Writing is difficult because of the shakes. However the good news there is it said am on good progress with my work on self/past trauma/impulses etc - actually the whole Being (Jung-psychologically), work per se which was encouraging. Normally this would take me one hour at the most to do!

I do have a history of adrenal/anxiety/PTSD but my mother doesn't and gets the same symptoms - very confusing.

My body clock is reversed atm but i am taking melatonin and sleep tincture as well as lavender etc in bath to help correct this as proper sleep pattern is so vital despite my windows being blacked out. Part of this is my partner's work shift patterns too, which affected me unconsciously I think. Though I have always been more of a night owl.

So this is the basic state of affairs - so frustrating not being able to be productive, however this body is saying 'NO' for some reason.

Hope someone can unfathom this brain dump as mental state also goes awol. Everything is a real effort in this respect too. Sorry for not being more helpful in this regard. Whatever this is apparently it does not show up on a full spectrum of blood tests - they took 2 samples, nor in urine. Well according to their 'normal' ranges.
 
The hospital sent you home? :O
Do you have fever?
Your blood test was normal, according to the hospital.
[quote author=happyliza]My body clock is reversed atm but i am taking melatonin and sleep tincture as well as lavender etc in bath to help correct this as proper sleep pattern is so vital despite my windows being blacked out. Part of this is my partner's work shift patterns too, which affected me unconsciously I think. Though I have always been more of a night owl.

So this is the basic state of affairs - so frustrating not being able to be productive, however this body is saying 'NO' for some reason.

Hope someone can unfathom this brain dump as mental state also goes awol. Everything is a real effort in this respect too. Sorry for not being more helpful in this regard. Whatever this is apparently it does not show up on a full spectrum of blood tests - they took 2 samples, nor in urine. Well according to their 'normal' ranges.

[/quote]

I think you should get extra sleep. Sleeping is healing.
You should rest, stay in bed!
:zzz:
Between naps, if you can, have some bone broth and Liposomal Vit. C.

I took a small sip of feroglobin in case it could help but don't wish to overdo the iron and added multivitimins for the zinc until i can get just zinc.

Dunno how advisable to overwhelm your body right now with extra supplements.
Your body is trying to fight off this nasty virus, or who knows what, and I think is the priority is
to strengthen your immune-system. ( Vit.C, sleep, bone broth )

I could be wrong, but I wish you recover fast and occasionally let us know how you doing!
:hug:
 
Sorry, I forgot, but did you apply DMSO to your tooth, happyliza?

Also, could you have been hyperventilating? How is your breathing going? Do you remember to belly-breathe?
I ended up at the office of a GP, because I forgot to breathe properly after some serious spell of dizziness (probably caused by a visit to my chiropractor). I often catch myself forgetting to breathe properly.
Is there anyone you can call if things get bad? You shouldn't be driving and walking when you feel like that.

Take care of yourself. And although I think your posts on FB are great, your health must come first!
 
happyliza said:
Thanks for asking/checking up Jonathan and sorry for the delay in replying, the reason being that for the last few days I got seriously worse and things got pretty scary so two days ago I had no choice but to take myself to the hospital. I really don't know what this 'thing' is that I am fighting and despite my hospital visit, am still non the wiser.

Oh my! :O Everything you've written there sounds awful. :( I agree that you should do your best to rest and try not to overwhelm your system. Bone broth should help. One thing you mentioned was that you had 2 coffees, I would avoid that if you possibly can. Caffeine will stress your immune response, and most coffees are tainted with mycotoxins (mold) from the fermentation process and improper packaging.

From my point of view it still sounds like you have a pretty nasty virus, but of course I am not a physician and it sounds like you had good tests done. I think it would be really good if you were able to find a competent practitioner of homeopathy in your area, fwiw.

Perhaps Gaby can weigh in on this with her expertise and some suggestions?
 
What is the type of vitamin C that you ingest? Ascorbic acid? Sodium ascorbate?

How much of the vitamin C do you take in one dose? 1 teaspoon? 5 grams?

How frequently do you take a dose of vitamin C? Every 30 minutes?

Are you taking the vitamin C until you almost at bowel tolerance?
 
Thanks, I tend to agree with you. I had the coffees to try to get some temporary energy. I normally have the coffee with butter and maybe coconut oil added too at home. But i will kick that for now and add butter to herbal tea and have cocoa.

I had some homeopathy lobelia (good for lung cleanse/chestiness) I luckily found at home which i used to take for my lungs occasionally so am using that. I also found some weleda apis mel 6, which i hope is for nausea but it doesn't say on the packaging. Maybe someone knows what this is?

So glad i stocked up 4 years ago, in the UK, for my 'pharmacy' here.

I will certainly ask around for a homeopathy specialist, I never heard of one, but will network about it.

Bonebroth i am having with my main meal every day and i spoke to the organic butcher and he says he will have some chickens in on Saturday so will buy one too. I have also ordered pork skin, pork fat and pork bones to do another batch of cooking while i am holed up here.

Yes I would also appreciate Gaby's knowledge on this issue, though I know she is very busy doing a great job with the Health Matrix and her work. But seeing patients she may well recognize the odd facts here hopefully.

This is certainly a big lesson in listening to the body.
Many thanks for your advice again, very much appreciated as nobody has a clue here.

hlat, the vitamin C is Thorne Research Buffered C powder, Ascorbic Acid. Thankfully Keyhole and Thorn brought it out for me in Sept when they visited. I take one teaspoon a day(in one dose) - never occured to take every 30 minutes, but i only have 8oz jar and cannot get it here.

I put all tinctures and powders and probiotic powder together in the same glass of water and force it down as i take the supplement tablets!

The last 3 days I didn't have bowel tolerence so 2x at least had to run to the loo. I am not overdoing the Magnesium so I thought it could only be the Vit C as I only ever too max 1/4 teaspoon as urine already bright electric yellow at that level.
 
Jonathan said:
From my point of view it still sounds like you have a pretty nasty virus, but of course I am not a physician and it sounds like you had good tests done. I think it would be really good if you were able to find a competent practitioner of homeopathy in your area, fwiw.

Perhaps Gaby can weigh in on this with her expertise and some suggestions?

Dear happyliza,

An awful flu strain has been making the rounds. At my local hospital in Spain, we have been completely over saturated with this sickness. Lab tests and physical examination can be typically normal, but the person is just awfully sick.

There has been no place at the hospital for at least 3 consecutive weeks and it has been the same for the main reference hospital in the main city. Every single bed is used up and we simply have no more resources to deal with this epidemic. Strangely enough, I'm not hearing more about it on mainstream media.

We hospitalize the elderly and people that have severe complications. The young and those who can fare the storm, are sent home...

I would try megadoses of vitamin C, high doses of NAC (600mg every 6-8 hours) and enough bone broth and liquids. Supplements such as lysine and zinc would be helpful too.

Spouses of friends have successfully fought of the disease with the above protocol. They got the pharmaceutical versions at our local pharmacies, they contain sugar but still, it was better than nothing.

I've been staying healthy with my supplement protocol of french oak extract, zinc, selenium, megadoses of vitamin C, NAC and cold adaptation alternating with FIR sauna. The diet has been helpful as well, but rest has been crucial as well.

I can't convey how horrifying this disease has been for the population although your testimonial sounds just like it. Take good care in order to avoid complications. The advice given by other members is extremely valuable and useful as well. Do take care everyone! This is nasty!
 
Gaby said:
Strangely enough, I'm not hearing more about it on mainstream media.

Found this news item from the 20th. It makes reference to the system collapsing and being completely oversaturated even though we have not seen the peak of the flu season:

La falta de camas para ingresos y la gripe colapsan las urgencias de los hospitales
_http://www.heraldo.es/noticias/aragon/zaragoza_provincia/zaragoza/2015/01/20/la_falta_camas_para_ingresos_gripe_colapsan_las_urgencias_los_hospitales_333900_301.html

A google translation:

The lack of beds and the flu collapses the emergency services at hospitals

The hospital emergency in Zaragoza lived a very difficult day yesterday. Saturation levels have been recorded in the emergency services for almost every day since the start of Christmas. It was aggravated by the lack of beds to enter new patients.

[...]

Center workers explained that sometime in the morning, in the emergency department came to be up to 65 people awaiting admission, but who remained in this service by not enough beds on ground or in other hospitals in the city [...]

A hospital spokesman reminded yesterday that all floors and alternatives to cover these types of incidents rooms remain open and operational at this point and said that to cope with the pressure that is supporting this service in recent weeks has been hiring up to seventy people between nurses and physicians.

This is a news item for the hospital services at the main city. I'm in a provincial region and there are no plans to hire anyone else to deal with the current epidemic. In fact, more shortages are expected as they cut finances to the health sector. One of my colleagues collapsed vomiting after her night shift was done. She told me she has never seen so many people in one night shift in her entire life.

Now it is a good time to commit ourselves to good health. We should all have medical supplies with basic stuff that will help us go through these epidemics more successfully.

My 2 cents!
 

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