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Jerry said:
Hi Bo,

Has there been recently any conflict within your studies that may have caused a suppression of anxieties?

no, my study is progressing very well actually.


Your dream had a basic intrigue motif.

I am sorry but I don't know what this means? I was looking for a definition but I don't really get what that sentence means in general. The definition of intrigue according to a dictionary is A secret or underhand scheme, a plot''. So I assume the above means that the dream has a secret motive or a secret meaning or a plot?
 
I’m sorry for being unclear.

It seemed plausible to me that secret plots in a dream (cook secretly poisoning food) could be revealing hidden or suppressed fears, and since the connection of food with information was made earlier, I thought there may be a correlation with your studies exoteric/esoteric.

We suppress feelings all the time just to get through the day, a prioritizing if you will. They often come out in dreams like a regurgitation of sorts, and may or may not provide info of our fragmented self. Osit.
 
Jerry said:
It seemed plausible to me that secret plots in a dream (cook secretly poisoning food) could be revealing hidden or suppressed fears, and since the connection of food with information was made earlier, I thought there may be a correlation with your studies exoteric/esoteric.

We suppress feelings all the time just to get through the day, a prioritizing if you will. They often come out in dreams like a regurgitation of sorts, and may or may not provide info of our fragmented self. Osit.

Fwiw. That was my impression as well.

Prodigal Son gave a very good information on gathering more insights into your dream.

The one thing that pops up while reading this dream was the sound of the bell.

According to one analysis site:

Bells

To hear a bell in your dream represents a warning or a call to order. The ringing of the bell signals the beginning of something new. It may also be a way for your subconscious to prepare you for whatever is happening next. If the bell rings and never stops, then it suggests that you are experiencing extreme anxiety.
 
Hi Bo - long time no speak. Hope you are well.

After reading all the responses in this thread a little thought occurred to me - how is your home situation at the moment? Does your mother cook food for you at all - or, perhaps, do you argue about your diet? Or maybe there is another female influence in your personal life where food is a part of the interaction? Not sure if this is relevant at all but thought to say hi and just ask.

I reckon there have been pretty intense "energies" recently and noticed my own dreams intensify as well.
 
Jerry said:
I’m sorry for being unclear.

It seemed plausible to me that secret plots in a dream (cook secretly poisoning food) could be revealing hidden or suppressed fears, and since the connection of food with information was made earlier, I thought there may be a correlation with your studies exoteric/esoteric.

We suppress feelings all the time just to get through the day, a prioritizing if you will. They often come out in dreams like a regurgitation of sorts, and may or may not provide info of our fragmented self. Osit.

Thanks for the explanation, because I have been suppresing this irritation of mine. So I will have to go trough the questions and see what I can discover. I am also going through women who run with the wolves at the same time and I can identify with a lot of things that are written. I am taking notes as I read it.

Zadius Sky said:
The one thing that pops up while reading this dream was the sound of the bell.

According to one analysis site:

Bells

To hear a bell in your dream represents a warning or a call to order. The ringing of the bell signals the beginning of something new. It may also be a way for your subconscious to prepare you for whatever is happening next. If the bell rings and never stops, then it suggests that you are experiencing extreme anxiety.

Thanks ZS, I didn't even think about the bell. Good observation. In the dream the bell didn't ring continously so it was like a one time ring as in '''dinner is ready''

adam7117 said:
Hi Bo - long time no speak. Hope you are well.

After reading all the responses in this thread a little thought occurred to me - how is your home situation at the moment? Does your mother cook food for you at all - or, perhaps, do you argue about your diet? Or maybe there is another female influence in your personal life where food is a part of the interaction? Not sure if this is relevant at all but thought to say hi and just ask.


I reckon there have been pretty intense "energies" recently and noticed my own dreams intensify as well.

Hi Adam, thank you, physically I am doing fine. I hope you are doing fine too. Well I don't live with my parents anymore, I have been living on my own now for around 2 years I think. In the beginning they had some trouble understanding it(the diet I mean), but now they accept it in a sense.

I think the pressure of having to do everything on my own every day is kind of catching up with me. At first for example when I started with cooking I did not have much experience. Then I started to enjoy it and eating healthy food that one made oneself was very satisfying. But now it has become like a routine, every day the same with cooking, doing the dishes, house cleaning. I am irritated by it. Maybe it's boredom or I am just lazy, or a combination of several factors. But that is what I am now trying to understand instead of repressing it.

Also there is no female influence in my life.

Thanks for asking.
 
Bo said:
At first for example when I started with cooking I did not have much experience. Then I started to enjoy it and eating healthy food that one made oneself was very satisfying. But now it has become like a routine, every day the same with cooking, doing the dishes, house cleaning. I am irrated by it. Maybe it's boredom or I am just lazy, or a combination of several factors.

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.


If you find yourself irritated by the never-ending chores of living life, then it's a great opportunity for you to get those "irritated" horses under your control. Become the best cooking, dishes doing, house cleaning human being on the planet - do it with all of you - make it a challenge and observe yourself each second you're doing it. Pay Attention to it - do it with Active Attention. Then you'll understand the phrase above in italics.
 
anart said:
Bo said:
At first for example when I started with cooking I did not have much experience. Then I started to enjoy it and eating healthy food that one made oneself was very satisfying. But now it has become like a routine, every day the same with cooking, doing the dishes, house cleaning. I am irrated by it. Maybe it's boredom or I am just lazy, or a combination of several factors.

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.


If you find yourself irritated by the never-ending chores of living life, then it's a great opportunity for you to get those "irritated" horses under your control. Become the best cooking, dishes doing, house cleaning human being on the planet - do it with all of you - make it a challenge and observe yourself each second you're doing it. Pay Attention to it - do it with Active Attention. Then you'll understand the phrase above in italics.

And keep in mind that many people do it for families, mostly women... for all their lives. Every day. Over and over and over.
 
anart said:
Bo said:
At first for example when I started with cooking I did not have much experience. Then I started to enjoy it and eating healthy food that one made oneself was very satisfying. But now it has become like a routine, every day the same with cooking, doing the dishes, house cleaning. I am irrated by it. Maybe it's boredom or I am just lazy, or a combination of several factors.

Before enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.
After enlightenment: chop wood, carry water.


If you find yourself irritated by the never-ending chores of living life, then it's a great opportunity for you to get those "irritated" horses under your control. Become the best cooking, dishes doing, house cleaning human being on the planet - do it with all of you - make it a challenge and observe yourself each second you're doing it. Pay Attention to it - do it with Active Attention. Then you'll understand the phrase above in italics.

An interesting challenge. I will do that. I also felt fear when reading that challenge. It does make sense, if I can't control it or don't take effort, that fear will overcome me.

Thanks Anart.
 
Bo said:
At first for example when I started with cooking I did not have much experience. Then I started to enjoy it and eating healthy food that one made oneself was very satisfying.

Novelty.

Bo said:
But now it has become like a routine, every day the same with cooking, doing the dishes, house cleaning. I am irritated by it.

Rut (no more novelty).

Bo said:
I am irritated by it. Maybe it's boredom or I am just lazy, or a combination of several factors. But that is what I am now trying to understand instead of repressing it.

No one has to drive themselves deeper and deeper into some mind-numbing trance state just to get through a day. And contrary to some mainstream know-it-alls, you don't have to be addicted to novelty or be a "novelty-seeker" to keep life fresh. When I thoroughly involve myself in some activities there's always something new or different enough about each time that can attract and seemingly assemble more attention. Not only that, but I can reach a place where stuff seems to do itself even though I'm actively involved like a smaller part of a larger and aware whole.

My thoughts, FWIW.
 
Hi Adam, thank you, physically I am doing fine. I hope you are doing fine too. Well I don't live with my parents anymore, I have been living on my own now for around 2 years I think. In the beginning they had some trouble understanding it(the diet I mean), but now they accept it in a sense.

I think the pressure of having to do everything on my own every day is kind of catching up with me. At first for example when I started with cooking I did not have much experience. Then I started to enjoy it and eating healthy food that one made oneself was very satisfying. But now it has become like a routine, every day the same with cooking, doing the dishes, house cleaning. I am irritated by it. Maybe it's boredom or I am just lazy, or a combination of several factors. But that is what I am now trying to understand instead of repressing it.

Also there is no female influence in my life.

Thanks for asking.

Yeah, fair enough. Of course chopping wood is irritating. Isn't that the point though - to go against the grain of your own making and watch the inner predator squirm and get cranky? I hate doing the laundry - oh, that really gets me going, especially when the pile is big from two grown men just dumping it on the laundry floor. And this is why I do it - it's actually very satisfying when it is finished. I find folding the clothes meditative and calming - although I am a lot calmer when I get help with the folding!

Or washing the dishes - don't get me started. Mind you, we do have a dishwasher at home but it rarely gets used. That is because I cultivate the habit of washing up immediately after cooking and eating. I discovered a long time ago that if I clean while preparing the meals, there will be less to do afterwards. It all may be silly but those little realisations just seem to accumulate and suddenly life is a little easier to handle and less irritating. But believe me - this is definitely work in progress.

And it's never-ending.

You know what, I had the biggest attitude adjustment after travelling to Cambodia a couple years back and Malasian Borneo last July. There is abject poverty all over the world and those two places are a good example. Experiencing it first hand is very confronting. I felt lucky and ungrateful and whingy - my little dramas are so insignificant compared to what they have to go through. Even yourself - you can live alone, make all sorts of choices about food and cleaning, etc. They struggle every day, struggle to eat and live in a dignified way. Their idea of a snack is deep-fried cricket or big hairy spider (both very tasty by the way). Your and my choices are bacon, lots of good quality fat, etc.

The one thing I also noticed was how happy everyone looked - or at least a great majority. Kids were friendly, lauging and playing on the streets. The adults were welcoming (well, to tourists anyway) and everyone lived in small communal houses, whole families. That closeness is a gift and it makes life bearable...

Spare a thought for that when you get pissed off with chores. It's really insignificant compared to what other people have to go through. Laura mentioned mothers - that's also a good example. Kids a great until you have to raise them! Though, it must be so satisfying to see them grow up and become adults.

Anywhoo. Glad you are sharing all this - it certainly motivated me to say a few things. I am OK as well, though quite busy with work. I cop it on the chin and move on. Reading helps...

:hug2:
 
I have been doing my homework on this and a lot of observations, writing notes, doing the challenge and thinking about what Laura said regarding mothers and so these 2 weeks have been a bit intense to say the least.

Last week I started with the challenge, with the intention of first observing my behavior whenever I clean the dishes or clean the house. Observing what I felt and thought. The result was that all the time while I was cleaning or doing the dishes, I wanted to have them done as soon as possible. I noticed I hated it. I would for example have the kitchen clean and would be unable to move on to clean the hallway next, the bedroom or the living room for I was telling myself constant lies as in ''Allright the kitchen is clean, the hallway can wait till tomorrow, right?'', ‘’who cares to clean? A house can stay clean for days, no need to hurry’’ . But at this time it did not matter. For my purpose was first to observe this. To prepare myself with knowledge before I could dismantle my predator in this regard.

Instead of reviling the predator of the psyche or running away from it, we dismember it. We accomplish this by not allowing ourselves divisive thoughts about our soul-life and our worth in particular. We capture invidious thoughts before they become large enough to do any harm, and we dismantle them. We dismantle the predator by countering its diatribes with our own nurturant truths. Predator: ‘’You never finish anything you start’’. Yourself: ‘’I finish many things’’. We dismantle the assaults of the natural predator by taking to hearth and what is truthful in what the predator says and then discarding the rest. We dismantle the predator by maintaining our intuitions and instincts and by resisting the predator’s seductions.

Page 65 – Pinkola – women who run with the wolves


However during these observations I have come to understand more about my own psyche then I expected. After a few days of first doing the dishes while observing, I was at the same time wondering where this ‘’anger’’ or ‘’hate’’ comes from?

And I felt this enormous black void of emptiness inside and it was completely dark. And I understood at this moment that this is where I was residing. To be more specific, my inner child was residing in this void, reflecting it’s anger on to me for not caring for him. I understood that my inability to perform the next step in cleaning the hallway was because it angered the predator. It did not like for me gaining a sense of responsibility or a sense of learning to ‘’grow up’’. The black void representing the predator and my inner child being held captured by it.


This realization made a click with me that I understood now why I craved attention when in the presense of other people and why I hurt other people because of lack of external consideration. It was similar as watching a movie and that I could see the reasons with much more clarity.


I saw how when I am in the presence of others and that when I seek or crave attention that it was the inner child begging to be seen by these other people, hoping that they could help him since I did not care to help that part of myself.

For a moment I could like feel what I truly am, I fell on my knees and cried gasping for air.I litteraly thought I was going to get a hearthattack any minute. For I saw the truth. How selfish I am. How I not care about others. Immediately the days following this moment I felt an enormous empty feeling inside, there were no emotions as if they were shut down. It was just this empty feeling. This sensation could be compared similairly to that feeling of being in a dark and empty void.

I felt that this is how my inner child must have been feeling all this time. I panicked and I immediately wanted to escape this ‘’void’’ by trying to lie to myself to get back to that ‘’safe haven’’. I didn’t want to be in this dark place anymore. But I remembered/felt that I was now in front of a crossroad. That I had to make a decision.

If I care so much for illusion and can not handle this place(confronting the dark void) then I should leave. Or I confront this dark void and dismember it through truth so that my inner child can have a chance to see the light.

I remembered that on my 13th birthday I had written the following on the back of my own picture. ‘’I will destroy all evil and never give up’’. And this then reminded me of my goal.

My goal in this lifetime is to learn how to become a normal human being. Learning how to care.

And the connection with the dream is as follows. I was unwilling to confront the predator’s thoughts, the poison that was spreading. Anart represented the sword, for she came across as a strong character in the dream. While the other people represented the shield, as I was sitting with them outside it felt nice, like companionship, it felt safe. The kitchen represented my mental state, my life.

The food represented my knowledge. So the people from the forum represented an aspect of my psyche that exist due to the gathering of knowledge or truth and an desire to grow. So the predator being the poison.

And I think the message is that if I do not take steps in taking control of my life. The poison/predator will.

So the bell in the dream was a good wake up call in reminding me to get a hold of myself and get in control of my life. Starting with the challenge.

For if I am able to become a master of my own house. I am able to do anything.

So I have started to make my own list (inspired by The List of atreides) as a guideline, as my bible that can help me in regaining control of my horses and caring for my inner child. I hope that on one day I can fully understand what a mother has to go through every day. So that I can become the ''mother/father'' of my inner child and learn what caring truly means.

Thank you all for reading and for all the feedback that you have given me.
 
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