"Warsaw under supervision"

Eboard10 said:
I don't have enough knowledge about the political landscape and the country in general to make an objective opinion about the PiS party at the moment, however, I am a bit hesitant to immediately denounce the new government following the statement made by the European Commissioner. At face value, the fact that the PiS passed a legislation giving it more control over the state media could be likened to what Putin did when he came to power in Russia in the lates 90s. [The same made the previous PO-PSL government, but then the oppostion didn't complain to the EU foreign officials] While it was easy to blame him for abuse of power, we are aware of the situation in Russia during the 90s with the oligarchy and foreign interests controlling every facet of the media and the government and we also know the real motivations behind his (Putin's) actions.

So far, I read that the new Polish government passed a law ensuring a basic income to every family with more than one child and they are working on taxing corporations and commercial banks on the profits made in Poland that are often diverted outside the country to minimise taxation. There are even plans of nationalising banks which I guess can be good or bad depending on how it is managed. [That's the case. It is painful for some circles].

These measures are perceived as being unorthodox by the international financial community and I do expect a lot of criticism and demonisation towards any new legislation going forward, so it will be interesting to see how they manage it.[It has already begun. I'm also interested in how strong the foreign forces and hostile insiders are...].

As I said, that's all I have read about the country's new government at this point and there might be lots of evidence to the contrary, so I will follow any development with interest. :)
 
Kasia said:
casper said:
20 000 Poles gathered today on the streets of several cities across the country to protest against the conservative government decision to put under the control of public medije.Link:

https://translate.google.hr/translate?sl=hr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=hr&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.index.hr%2Fvijesti%2Fclanak%2Fustanak-poljaka-protiv-vlade-koja-zeli-kontrolirati-javne-medije-ne-cenzuri%2F867176.aspx&edit-text=


That's the lie....
Pablo Picasso:
"All the truth in this world is only added one big lie."
Kasia said:
Alada said:
Kasia said:
Renaissance said:
Joe said:
Seems to me that Poland is simply being more honest here than other European states. The BBC for example is entirely controlled by the British government, they just do it by more covert means.

Yeah, kind of odd that they don't just follow the Anglo-American empire's way of doing things and just covertly control the media. Perhaps fascist energies are growing so strong that those tapped into them aren't worried about maintaining much of a mask anymore.

:scared: :jawdrop:

Please, spend a little time in exploring what is really going on in Poland before writing anything...

Kasia, that kind of comment is not contributing anything to the discussion, in fact it comes across as rude. If you have an idea or data you’d like to share to better explain then please do so, and add your own thoughts and commentary as to why you think such and so. Otherwise it just comes across as snippy / noisy, which is not what we’re aiming for here.

I didn’t mean to be rude.

But it looked like

Kasia said:
Try to read not only mainstream, to a large extent, distorted media coverage. Be open minded and critical.
I read all the available websites I know, sometimes it's good to know how the enemy thinks, IMO this is only way to be open minded and thinking :)
 
I'm not exactly sure what the new Polish government is up to, but is seems they are going against some puppet masters. Because several weeks ago they searched a Nato espionage headquarter in Warsaw on the 19th December 2015. With that it could be, that several European states didn't like it and drew the dictator card and to push against Poland.
 
Gawan said:
I'm not exactly sure what the new Polish government is up to, but is seems they are going against some puppet masters. Because several weeks ago they searched a Nato espionage headquarter in Warsaw on the 19th December 2015. With that it could be, that several European states didn't like it and drew the dictator card and to push against Poland.

Actually this unit has nothing to do with NATO. It has been established based on the agreement beetwen Poland and Slovakia. The new government (PIS) decided to search it because it has occured that some serviceman from the secret service connected to the previous governing party (PO) organized for themselves lucrative posts for 8 years with a decent salary amounting to 5000 EUR montly.
 
Below some voices capturing pretty accurate what in fact is happening now in Poland. The rest in the link = cliché (truisms) + half-truths + nonsense (in my opinion).

http://www.politico.eu/article/poland-democracy-failing-pis-law-and-justice-media-rule-of-law/

The government, sounding confident about its electoral mandate and absolute majority in parliament, dismisses these critics as left-wing spoilers and promises more changes to come. Backed by influential voices, Law and Justice says its job is to clean up Poland after liberal, often corrupt elites that were out of touch with its Christian and patriotic values.
Every weekend for the past few, thousands of demonstrators have gathered in Poland’s larger cities, both to support and protest Law and Justice policies.

Adam Zamoyski, a British historian of Polish origin, is the author, inter alia, of “Poland: A History” (Hippocrene, 2012) and “Warsaw 1920″ (HarperCollins, 2008).

Andrzej Duda’s election as president and the victory of the Law and Justice party (PiS) in Poland have been universally reported in the international media as “a lurch to the right.” This is highly misleading […]

Nor does their victory in last year’s elections represent any kind of lurch to the right by the electorate. It was the result of disenchantment with the previous government, which was seen as incompetent, arrogant and out of touch. People voted not so much for PiS as for change […]

Marek Magierowski is the spokesman of Polish President Andrzej Duda. He writes in his personal capacity.

The most vital challenge facing contemporary Europe is the crisis of responsibility.You can’t run a nation, let alone the whole continent, if you refuse to make difficult decisions. There is a frustrating shortage of responsible politicians amid current EU elites. When some do try to act responsibly — like Andrzej Duda in Poland — and follow the wishes and demands of their own citizens, a chorus of indignation suddenly reverberates in Brussels, Berlin or Vienna, with horror stories about a “breach of European values.”Why such outrage? The answer is amazingly simple.

By bearing the brunt of tough reforms and making good on electoral pledges, Poland’s president lays bare the irresponsibility and indolence of the very politicians who now criticize him.When Duda signs bills expected by a majority of Poles, many European leaders feel guilty about neglecting their citizens’ expectations for years. And when Duda talks about the dangers related to uncontrolled waves of immigration, his European colleagues choose to stand idle and keep mum. Our country is now run by politicians accountable to Polish voters, not to German, British or French left-wing intellectuals.But, ironically, in the eyes of some European commentators, it is Poland that “violates the foundations of democracy.” […]

[Eurocrats] excel at lecturing others about democracy, but they are afraid of their own voters. When was the last time some of them showed up at an electoral rally? When was the last time they visited an impoverish European village? Say, in eastern Poland?
Democracy is not about posturing and finger-pointing. Democracy is about responsibility. Our country is now run by politicians accountable to Polish voters, not to German, British or French left-wing intellectuals. Democracy in Poland is faring pretty well.


Tomasz Wróblewski is the editor of Wprost, a weekly magazine in Warsaw.

Journalists at our weekly well remember a summer evening in 2014 when special service officers raided our editorial offices, demanding computers and equipment on which they believed conversations of politicians from the ruling party had been stored.

The recordings given to us by our sources revealed shocking cases of abuse of power, including a conversation between the minister of the interior and the head of the central bank, where in return for interest rate cuts the minister of the interior promised to dismiss the finance minister and increase the central bank governor’s powers.

Our offices were searched and agents of the “politically independent” services physically attacked the former editor-in-chief. Endless interrogations and intimidation of our advertisers followed; the cases were only recently dropped. Our journalists weren’t aware that for many months their private phone conversations were being tapped.

It’s hard for us at Wprost to treat seriously accusations, levelled by politicians from the former ruling party and the radio and television chiefs they nominated, that the new government is attacking our freedom of speech. These are the same people who, hand in hand with disgraced politicians, accused Wprost journalists of a crime, of publishing “illegally” recorded conversations.

For those who eagerly supported the ruling party, losing their jobs will certainly be an unpleasant experience. But that’s not the end of democracy. The media market doesn’t only include the public media. And what’s happening now can in no way be compared to the police harassment previously meted out to right-wing journalists.

Wprost survived a difficult period, thanks in large part to the broad diversity of Polish media. Right-wing journalists fired from public television created new magazines, portals and radio stations. Neither the government nor any single publisher controls the market. Freedom of speech in Poland is safe.

Agnieszka Kołakowska is a journalist and translator who lives in Paris and writes for the Polish and British press.

The world’s press gets its Polish news from the same people who have just lost their power and privileges: The left-wing elites that have been in alliance with the formerly ruling Civic Platform party and who cry fascism at anyone who disagrees with their views or threatens their monopoly on what passes for an enlightened opinion. PiS is vilified for embracing traditional values, its smidgen of Euroskepticism, and its refusal to submit to bullying by the EU and Germany. Now they have lost control of the media and public institutions and are howling in outrage. Hence the talk of a fascist dictatorship and the end of democracy, freedom of the press and civil liberties.
It is shocking that this is being taken at face value; it shows just how far-reaching the influence of Poland’s left-wing elites and the liberal newspaper, Gazeta Wyborcza, has become.

The Law and Justice party (PiS) — which won an absolute majority in both the Parliament and Senate — is vilified for embracing traditional and family values, its smidgen of Euroskepticism, its refusal to submit to bullying by the EU and Germany in particular, its emphasis on national sovereignty and its insistence that Christianity and the Church have a public role to play in Poland. None of this warrants investigation by the European Commission, let alone cries to topple the government.

It was the Civic Platform party that appointed five of its people to the Constitutional Tribunal at the last minute, resulting in 14 out of 15 judges being Civic Platform nominees. At present there are nine Civic Platform appointees. I fail to see how this is less democratic.

When Civic Platform came to power, they purged the media, appointing people who would toe the party line. Neither the foreign press nor the European Commission seemed concerned at the time. The public media were independent only in name. They were in fact controlled by Civil Platform and disseminated an endless stream of virulent anti-PiS propaganda.

Government funding for the arts was similarly partisan. Newspapers loyal to Civic Platform were subsidized under the table through government advertising. The list goes on.

Polish voters have lived through eight years of scandals, spectacular corruption, and public services that did not fulfill their purpose. The media and the judiciary were independent only in name. Voters felt they were treated with arrogance and contempt, and that Poland was too accommodating toward the EU. They were tired of being dictated to. They wanted to be proud to be Polish. They were sick of “patriotism” and “sovereignty” being treated like dirty words.

Voters want an end to cronyism and corruption. They want transparency and the affirmation of their country’s sovereignty. There is no justification whatsoever for the current hysteria over threats to Polish democracy.
 
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