Was "Gallic wars" a text similar to the Odyssey - so, describing the Younger Dryas cataclysms?

[palestine]

The author draws a parallel with the Gallic war and Greek Troy:

A. T. Fomenko
"Empirico-Statistical Analysis of Narrative Material and its Applications to Historical Dating"
Volume II

http://ndl.ethernet.edu.et/bitstream/123456789/3238/1/A.T. Fomenko.pdf

Hector - Wikipedia

In Greek mythology, Hector (/ˈhɛktər/; Ἕκτωρ, Hektōr, pronounced [héktɔːr]) was a Trojan prince, a hero, and the greatest warrior for Troy during the Trojan War. He is a major character in Homer's Iliad, where he leads the Trojans and their allies in the defense of Troy, killing countless Greek warriors. He is ultimately killed in single combat by the Greek hero Achilles, who proceeds to drag his dead body around the city of Troy behind his chariot.

 

[palestine]

The literature about (and from) Caesar is quite extensive as well as the literature about (and from) the time and places Caesar lived/operated. So, before proposing ideas like this, I think it would be a good idea to get a firm grasp of that literature and what it likely is suggesting and how that would square with an idea of that kind.

I‘ve read a number of books on the subject, which are by far not all the material one could read about it, but from that preliminary view on the subject the idea you have presented so far seems pretty unlikely.

Thing is that if comets condition mankind... If there is an angle, with some flags, I see it as a potential road.

You seem to indicate that one must firstly first "tap" into the Roman database, in terms of literature, and archeology (if I understand it right - I am not sure). Those will always say the same things - and it will go into the direction of today's consensus. At worse, "Caesar the imperialist". That's what those sources show and it's difficult to get out of it. Still, C's show a very different Caesar.

I would agree with the idea of gathering all sources and data possible - but the literature is kind of monolithic - and it's like a deep dive into a stable sea. Romans, roads, battles, amphitheaters, roman columns, etc. My idea will never fit with such data.

I am of course pondering the idea that Caesar did make all those battles & fights. This will be difficult to defend; I just saw something, and did not want to let an idea slip. When grossly checking about it, i cannot say that "there is nothing". But I am cautious, so thank you for your bold take :)

but from that preliminary view on the subject the idea you have presented so far seems pretty unlikely.

But why, exactly?

Thank you!

 

[Gaby]

But why, exactly?

Thank you!

How much of the recommended reading have you done? Did you at least read Laura's books and Pierre's books?

 

[palestine]

How much of the recommended reading have you done? Did you at least read Laura's books and Pierre's books?

Hmm yes many of their books.

I understand that... My question was not appropriate, isn't it? I feel I should not have asked.

If I may: this was simply a request for clarification, in the sense of "something more precise".

Cosmos tells me "there are huge bodies of literature" - "I've read many of those books" - "It is unlikely that ...".

And so, he makes a bridge towards the label "it is unlikely".

What's that bridge? Could this be formulated?

 

[Liliea]

I can suggest that you read:

From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity : Knight-Jadczyk, Laura: Amazon.de: Books

From Paul to Mark: PaleoChristianity : Knight-Jadczyk, Laura: Amazon.de: Books

www.amazon.de

That way, if you want, you could better plan your line of research.

 

[Ruth]

Hmm yes many of their books.

I understand that... My question was not appropriate, isn't it? I feel I should not have asked.

If I may: this was simply a request for clarification, in the sense of "something more precise".

Cosmos tells me "there are huge bodies of literature" - "I've read many of those books" - "It is unlikely that ...".

And so, he makes a bridge towards the label "it is unlikely".

What's that bridge? Could this be formulated?

Maybe you need to do a timeline? I think this is what most researchers are trying to do, but some of the conclusions they come to are incorrect because they are based on assumptions, fitting the wrong facts together, at the wrong time, or an incorrect starting point to begin with. This means that a even how they fit facts together may be incorrect. Of course we know this is a big problem within the scientific and historical community. That is why they have such difficulty 'connecting the dots' and coming to new, maybe startling conclusions. It makes them very uncomfortable.

A couple of examples discussed on the forum are: The real location of Troy - which is NOT in the Mediterranean; Venus as a comet which hasn't been there that long (less than 5000 years) and the Egyptian pyramids as being some sort of energy storage device (or an attempt at building something like that) and NOT a tomb.

It seems to me that you are trying to conflate something that happened in Caesars time with something that (most likely) happened in the past, and may have happened multiple times, as well! Is that because the author you mention is doing the same? There may be hundreds of years, even millenia separating similar events. This is the frustration that people have when wanting to research history.

I think what Cosmos is trying to tell you is that regarding Ceasars time, there is a lot of documentation. Which means a lot of data points. Before trying to connect them to other data points, you need to know if Ceasars time is the correct time to start. Most people think it isn't. This is the problem. Certain things happened multipe times in the past. These being, but are not limited to:

1. Cometary bombardments
2. Plagues
3. Conflicts/wars
4. Venus passes.

It looks like no. 4 is the only one that's no longer happening and to further complicate matters when it DID happen it had the capacity to influence and may have even influenced the other 3 in some ways.

If you have an idea, or a theory about something, then the foundation of that has to be sound and reliable. Caesars time is not the right foundation, neither is the idea that The Odyssey happened in the Mediterranian. That's just my take. This will lead to a situation where a person can be "barking up the wrong tree", especially if they started with the wrong foundational assumption.

 

[palestine]

Thanks @Ruth for your post - and your honest takes

I feel I need to clarify this thread and its motion

some of the conclusions they come to are incorrect because they are based on assumptions, fitting the wrong facts together

A guy thinks of something, then he builds up a model, according to what he thinks - firmly convinced that he's right.

This is not exactly my case.

The "assumption", "biased", "let's rush to conclusion" model is a STS loop / trap.

I think that I would be more on the line of "it's the sign of an educated man to entertain an idea without ... etc". Just having a thought, an idea, and seeing where this leads to.

It seems to me that you are trying to conflate something that happened in Caesars time with something that (most likely) happened in the past

Hmmm my point is that the Gallic war would be a text narrating the succession of past cataclysms.

So it's not a conflation, but a conscious choice, on my part, to explore a road.

I am NOT "conflating something that happened during Caesar's time with another period": I am consciously casting a doubt on several written traces, and checking if there is anything... An exercise.

The difference is that if my idea is wrong, I would have lost time. But the thinking brain remains intact.

And so it becomes "hey guys, I saw that...".

But the idea does not seem to get any popularity :) I attach importance to this. I will see.

Before trying to connect them to other data points, you need to know if Ceasars time is the correct time to start.

This is not needed, if you study the matter on a conceptual basis: "comets" or events, in the text, matching. A basic "stone = comet".

Caesars time is not the right foundation

The time factor is absent in my considerations. I am exploring this angle but it's far from being the matter. I am studying the chronology of the battles, but again this is not representative of the matter.

neither is the idea that The Odyssey happened in the Mediterranian

Is this what you understand from my posts?

Thank you @Ruth. I understand that my idea does not appear that attractive when people read about it. I am okay with this. I hope that there is something of value. I appreciate the different topics that the members are studying. I am studying Caesar, as for myself! Extensive studies of it allows me to see that "there may be something here".

 

[palestine]

It looks like no. 4 is the only one that's no longer happening and to further complicate matters when it DID happen it had the capacity to influence and may have even influenced the other 3 in some ways.

From what I understand:

periodic	pseudo-periodic	aperiodic events (one shot events)
the comet cluster orbiting around the sun - 3600 years
the brown dwarf, period of 27 mio years
		when a too high level of corruption appears, the homeostasy kicks in, and sends a comet, with a plague (anthropocosmic connection)
	Venus

In addition:

- Plagues can appear in all the cases
- The Oort cloud sends rocks when a body goes through it

Hope this is correct.

That's what I understood so far. But the big plagues seem to be relating to the anthropocosmic connection. If C's control the influx of comets here on the planet - the incursion of plagues (the big ones) may be under strict supervision. I would attach the plagues to the anthropocosmic case - rather than an ever-phenomenon (each comet > big plague).

That's because plagues have a specific function / role.

Saying, because your model includes plagues as a matter seemingly as important than "a comet impacting" - but I believe that plagues can benefit from precision in terms of their apparition. I.e. it's restricted to specific circumstances.

Volcanoes, Earthquakes And The 3,600 Year Comet Cycle

It suggests that the 3,600 year cycle is only one of the cometary cycles that subjects our planet to periodical catastrophes. For example, Venus, when it was a comet, probably induced cyclical catastrophes too.

On top of that, there are also "aperiodic" comets, the ones who will approach the Earth only once. This is probably the case of the 12,800 BP event.

The Seven Destructive Earth Passes of Comet Venus

Cometary events can be ongoing or a thing of past. Likewise they can be periodic, pseudo-periodic or a one-shot event.

For example, we know of ongoing periodic cometary cycles like the 27.9 million year cycle followed by Nemesis and its accompanying cometary swarm (see chapter 13 to 19 of Earth Changes and The Human-Cosmic Connection) or the ongoing 3,600 year cometary cycle described in my article 'Volcanoes, Earthquakes And The 3,600 Year Comet Cycle'.

There are also ongoing pseudo-periodic cycles like Comet Halley, whose average period is 77 years, but whose single periods span from 74.33 years to 79 years.

There are one-shot events like the 12,900 BP cometary event described in my article 'Of Flash Frozen Mammoths and Cosmic Catastrophes'.

And finally there are past pseudo-periodic comets like cometary Venus from 5,200 BP to 4,600 BP with decreasing orbital period: from 160 years for pass 1 to 60 years for pass 7.