Was "Gallic wars" a text similar to the Odyssey - so, describing the Younger Dryas cataclysms?

HOMER – « The Odyssey »Caesar - « Commentaries on the Gallic war »
Book 17Book 7
Meanwhile before the palace of Odysseus the suitors were making merry, throwing the discus and the hunting-spear upon the level pavement, holding riot as of old.There was a lull of a gentle ascent from the bottom ; a dangerous and impassable marsh, not more than fifty feet broad, begirt it on 'almost every side. The Gauls, having broken down the bridges, posted themselves ou this hill, in confidence of their position
the shepherds leading who were wont to lead,— then Medon spoke; a man most loved of all the pages, one who was ever present at their feasts : « Now, lads, since all your hearts are cheered with sports, come to the house and let us lay the table. One’s dinner at the proper time is no bad thing.Caesar clearly points out to his soldiers (...) "with how great loss and the death of how many gallant men the victory would necessarily be purchased
He spoke, and up they sprang and went to heed his words. And entering the stately buildings,Having thus consoled his soldiers, he leads them back on the same day to the Camp
« … but of him I stand in fear and awe, lest he hereafter chide me. Hard is a master’s censure. »Vercingetorix, when he had returned to his men, was accused of treason … all these circumstances could not have happened accidentally or without design
There are you carrying that glutton, you good-for-nothing swineherd, that nasty beggar to make mischief at our feasts? A man to stand and rub his back on many doors and tease for scraps of food, but not for swords and caldrons.He produces some camp-followers to these Roman soldiers whom he had surprised on a foraging expedition some days before, and had tortured by famine and confinement. They being previously instructed in what answers they should make when examined, say, "That they were legionary soldiers, that, urged by famine and want, they had recently gone forth from the camp, [to see] if they could find any corn or cattle in the fields; that the whole army was distressed by a similar scarcity, nor had any one now sufficient strength,
But do not linger long, or somebody may spy you at the door and throw a stone or strike you.impeded the working of them by stakes bent and sharpened at the ends, and boiling pitch, and stones of very great weight,
Stanch is my soul; for many dangers have I borne from waves and war. To those let this be added. Yet I cannot disregard a gnawing belly, the pest which brings so many ills to Men.?
He sat down on the ash-wood threshold just within the door, leaning against the cypress post which long ago the carpenter had smoothed with skill and leveled to the line.But this is usually the form of all the Gallic walls. Straight beams, connected lengthwise and two feet distant from each other at equal intervals, are placed together on the ground ; these are mortised on the inside, and covered with plenty of earth. But the intervals which we have mentioned, are closed up in front by large stones. These being thus laid and cemented together, another row is added above, in such a manner, that the same interval may be observed,
 
HOMER – « The Odyssey »Caesar - « Commentaries on the Gallic war »
Book 21Book 5
“Nay, father! Carry on the bow! You cannot well heed all. Take care, or I, a nimbler man than you, will drive you to the fields with pelting stones. Superior in strength I am to you. Ah, would I were as much beyond the others in the house, beyond these suitors, in my skill and strength of arm! Then would I soon send somebody away in sorrow from my house; for men work evil here.”On the seventh day of the attack, a very high wind having sprung up, they began to discharge by their slings hot balls made of burnt or hardened clay, and heated javelins, upon the huts, which, after the Gallic custom, were thatched with straw.
He spoke, and all burst into merry laughter and laid aside their bitter anger with Telemachus.they began to call on the enemy by gestures and their men by words, to enter if they wished; but none of them dared to advance
“Telemachus, the guest now sitting in your hall brings you no shame. I did not miss my mark, nor in the bending of the bow make a long labor. My strength is sound as ever, not what the mocking suitors here despised.In that legion there were two veiy brave men, centurions, who were now approaching the first ranks
But it is time for the Achaeans to make supper ready, while it is daylight still; and then for us in other ways to make them sport, — with dance and lyre; for these attend a feast.”These used to have continual disputes Between them which of them should be preferred, and every year used to contend for promotion with the utmost animosity
He spoke and frowned the sign. His sharp sword then Telemachus girt on, the son of princely Odysseus ; clasped his right hand around his spear, and close beside his father’s seat he took his stand, armed with the gleaming bronze.Why do you hesitate, Varenus? or what [better] opportunity of signalising your valour do you seek? This very day shall decide our disputes." When be had uttered these words, he proceeds beyond the fortifications, and rushes on that part of the enemy
But Odysseus aimed an arrow and hit him in the throat; right through his tender neck the sharp point passed. ... he drew his sharp two-edged bronze sword and sprang ... shot an arrow and hit him in the breast beside the nipple, fixing the swift bolt in his liver. ... Sprawling across the table, bent and fell, spilling the food and double cup upon the floor. ... sprang back and left the long spear sticking in Amphinomus; The shield of Pulfio is pierced and a javelin is fastened in his Belt ... Obstructs his right hand' when attempting to draw his sword ... the other to be pierced through by the javelin. ... with his sword and carries on The combat hand to hand, and having slain one man
 
If we look at the last table, the Odyssey recounts the moment when Ulysses returns to Ithaca and fights alongside Telemachus "against the arrogant and opportunistic suitors".

In Caesar's work, there is mention (for example) of two centurions who decide to fight together.

The two stories follow on from each other and end with multiple descriptions of ‘javelins piercing his throat’ etc. etc. - as I have tried to show.

Just one example. So, overall, conceptual correspondences. Sometimes the connections are great, sometimes it's more difficult.
 
Hello @Moine

I wanted to get back to you after reading the documents you suggested.

After reading them, I better understand your approach, as well as your post. I must tell you that until now, I did not subscribe to the ‘exoteric-mesoteric-esoteric’ metaphysics, which is a very interesting ‘classification’. It is interesting because it allows one to objectively sort through a whole bunch of things.

I understand that these three principles can operate on several levels:

1) As an initial framework for interpreting a text and understanding the writer's intention.

However, here I realise that it is possible that the writer did not consciously intend to adopt any particular approach. I understand that this is sometimes the case. The result is therefore the totality of writings that exist in the world, some of which were consciously written according to an “exoteric”, “mesoteric” or “esoteric” strategy. Sometimes, authors did not have in mind that such a distinction existed when writing their works. Ultimately, there is a bit of everything!

2) As a guiding principle for writing a book. A conscious process, therefore.

I would say that it is a whole metaphysics (i.e. ‘a guiding principle with three different levels of approach’), and that it is up to each person to decide whether or not to use it. On this subject, I must say that this metaphysics seems very objective to me, in the sense that these three levels of approach actually correspond to something in reality. I can only lean more towards this approach, as it is objectively in tune with reality.

It is not something I am used to, and these three levels do not seem to be restricted to ‘one approach’ or to ‘transmission-reception’ processes as I described above. I understand that using this metaphysics implies a change in one's very ‘being’. I am a little shy about this kind of process, but as it is something objective, I will look into it. It implies a radical switch in world view, and it is not something to be taken lightly.

This way, I could respond to your post in a way that is more in line with your intention, with your system of appreciating things.

I really appreciated Pierre's efforts. At first glance, I would say, ‘He has this talent for simply describing things that have cosmic, universal significance – even 4D – in simple terms.’ I would have been tempted to call it a ‘talent for vulgarization’, but I understand that it may be a ‘talent for exoterism’! So, a vulgarization of invisible principles (4D, spiritual, energetic, cosmic, etc.). I appreciate this approach. I think that's what I try to do when I study a subject that is dear to the forum.

I believe that an exoteric approach is possible for many things, even very 4D subjects. The trick would be the ability to translate phenomena. So there are limitations, and I can see that the factors of ‘time’ and ‘space’ can become tricky limitations.

It also seems to me that some works require a purely esoteric approach. It's difficult to express, but I see that some subjects cannot be approached in any other way.

I think A. Lobaczewski is a good example, as he describes phenomena that are not limited to 3D. In my opinion, he has managed to use words and construct an intellectual system of understanding that encompasses phenomena beyond 3D, while remaining purely accessible and scientific. Looking closely, we can see ‘the pathological factors of DNA’ as a bridge to more subtle forms of existence.

So, I would say that my approach (Gallic war study) is purely exoteric, and that it is ‘consciously’ so. When I look at the scientific community and academics, I understand that they are very practical, cartesian people. They need 3D words, 3D principles, etc. – in other words, a purely exoteric approach, if we want to have a positive influence on science. So, I strive to gather data according to a principle that is understandable to all. Very difficult to do! Must find basic 3D things/concepts/principles - and stick to it!

As a matter of strategy, I avoid overemphasizing any 4D aspects in anything. People are not receptive. They don't understand, and they judge you. The result is that you lose their attention. If we want to attract the attention and interest of everyday people, I think we need to compete in ingenuity and strive to produce content that will be ‘acceptable’ to the scientific/academic intelligentsia. It's sad, but I think that's the way it is, and for the moment there are few ways to get around it.

I have read the texts you suggested! They are very interesting, and the three levels make perfect sense. I don't know if you would like to discuss their content in relation to the Odyssey or Caesar? We could. It is difficult for me to follow your metaphysics, because I never did it. However, on reflection, I have noticed the following.

Let us assume that Caesar's text can be interpreted in an esoteric, or even mesoteric, manner. I have already mentioned this, but what struck me was the highly descriptive content of the book. A succession of battles, and also a singularity: protagonist X and protagonist Y, their respective armies, cities that are besieged in turn, etc. I would see a ‘multitude’ as an element that could potentially allow for a reading other than exoteric. I don't know where ‘the multitude’ might lead! I leave it up to you! And then, nothing tells me that this is an element to be taken into consideration. It is difficult for me to go beyond ‘the element of multitude’ to determine a potential esoteric meaning. What could it possibly mean?

I wanted to send you a message since your post! Feel free to respond to any of the things I have written here, to clarify what is important to you in esoteric, mesoteric and exoteric approaches! Thank you for having pointed me out to those three principles!

:-)

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