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[kapepua]

Hi

Wanted to talk about the mechanics of Being a person who is able to Hold and BE Objective Love.

Considering the fact that almost everyone is under the influence of entities, that run their lives, different programs- STO/STS people, it's not too far fetched to say that everyone can be influenced for good or bad. Everyone including dictators.

If there are Patterns in life, patterns in The Matrix, patterns of speech, patterns of behavior, patterns of thinking, fractals patterns, rain patterns - when it comes to humans, then those patterns can be Interrupted.

I'm talking about change-work related to the field of hypnosis/nlp - there are direct methods of change/casting out entities. Laura talks about them in the Spirit Release videos on YouTube.

To BE someone that can Hold Objective Love,regardless, I think you need to become some type of reality magician. A hypnotist who can change reality by his/her intention alone. Someone who can hold a thought of say Love and it manifests in his/her reality or location.

A reality magician as explained in this short article:
_http://conversational-hypnosis.com/articles/a86.html

Requires work, practice, patience and understanding (depends on person, maybe 3 years or less) - yet if the goal is kept in mind, then you Become the scenery upon which Love manifests automatically.

And you'll be able to Hold THE WAVE naturally.

Just my 2 cents.

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[Ant22]

If there are Patterns in life, patterns in The Matrix, patterns of speech, patterns of behavior, patterns of thinking, fractals patterns, rain patterns - when it comes to humans, then those patterns can be Interrupted.

I'm talking about change-work related to the field of hypnosis/nlp - there are direct methods of change/casting out entities. Laura talks about them in the Spirit Release videos on YouTube

Hi Tjijandjewa,

I read your post with interest and I was wondering if you could confirm in which video specifically Laura did recommend using NLP or techniques related to?

I found these two threads that give me the idea that this may not be the recommended solution: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,17548.msg260536.html#msg260536 and this one: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=6984.msg49081#msg49081

As someone who has devoted an enormous amount of time and effort to achieving the smallest of changes in changing intellectual, behavioural and emotional patterns, I personally think that this kind of work requires conscious attention.

I may be wrong of course, I certainly don't have all the answers. However, I am in fact an NLP practitioner, a qualification I got as a result of the profession I'm in and it was recommended by my workplace back then. I can't say NLP did much to me but maybe I just didn't use it the right way. I got the impression that it simply swaps one mechanical pattern for another and places all responsibility for success on the NLP practitioner. The recipient has things done to them with no effort on their part really, and to me, that contradicts the idea of the Work.

Again, the above is based on what I've researched and experienced about NLP and I may have gotten it wrong of course. It would therefore be really helpful if you could point me in the direction of the videos you mentioned.

Also, what "related techniques do you have in mind?"

 

[kapepua]

I was wondering if you could confirm in which video specifically Laura did recommend using NLP or techniques related to?

It would therefore be really helpful if you could point me in the direction of the videos you mentioned.

Also, what "related techniques do you have in mind?"

Hi Ant22

I'm afraid I was not clear enough on that. I didn't say that Laura recommends hypnosis/nlp, I said, 'The type of change work/influence/entity release when dealing with everyday people, in an everyday setting, even tough people in high positions of power, that I'm talking about is hypnosis - Conversational Hypnosis. Provided you have enough awareness and know enough psychology- comes with practice. It will need to be practised and mastered to the point where you become the embodiment of Love. "

I also said 'Laura has other methods that deal with spirit release that are/were on YouTube. Not sure if they still are - Here's what I could find now:
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLEhmm4392o8uoxjEQF3Xp2Kh_0RS0jOR

If it's not opening just Google the words ' Laura Knight Jadzcyk YouTube Spirit release' You should get some suggestions and a playlist. The playlist has interesting videos including the 'Barcelona Conference' which is very interesting, 'A course in Knowledge and Being: Differential diagnosis in Spirit release' is the one for this post, also see if you can find anything with the title 'Information Theory' on her playlist.

So I said two different things and hope that you understand me now?

Conversational Hypnosis is a whole body of work that incorporates a lot. From learning how to spot patterns in people to using emotions to things that sound crazy - Igor Ledochowski's Conversational hypnosis course would be a good place to start.

Please note the spirit that I'm saying this in- To be a Force For Good automatically in the end, requires practice - it's a lot of work.

BTW, here are some of his Conversational hypnosis articles: _http://conversational-hypnosis.com/articles.htm

 

[Ant22]

Thank you for your reply Tjijandjewa! I'm going to look into it in a bit more detail, like I said I'm no expert and I don't know enough to make definite statements :)

 

[Joe]

I'm not clear on how you think that conversational hypnosis and NLP can be used "for good", and what you mean by "for good". Can you explain?

From what I've seen, these techniques are usually used to gain something from another person, and is usually pitched at picking up girls and getting new business customers or, indeed, 'hypnotizing' people.

 

[kapepua]

I'm not clear on how you think that conversational hypnosis and NLP can be used "for good", and what you mean by "for good". Can you explain?

From what I've seen, these techniques are usually used to gain something from another person, and is usually pitched at picking up girls and getting new business customers or, indeed, 'hypnotizing' people.

@ Ant22 - just a suggestion, I'm also not an expert, but we somehow need to get along in the world and why do it the hard way when there are other ways - I mean, why fight with people who have the guns when you can get find a middle ground or something? It's about understanding human nature and the basic programs running in humans and working with the programs.

@ Joe- I prefer thinking of it as a sword that can be used for any purpose. 'Good' as in the embodiment of Objective Love.

How do you understand Objective Love or someone that is able to be a Carrier of the signal?

If you read the definition of a 'reality magician' as defined here:
http://conversational-hypnosis.com/articles/a86.html

~~
Now there is one more level and that is the level you should constantly be striving to be at, reality magician. A reality magician goes beyond the techniques and principals and is educated and open minded enough to have the ability to create new principals as well as manipulate the boundaries of existing principals to fit the situation they are in.

Now this does not mean that you disregard principals or think that only your principals are best, no it is a way of knowing how to create what you need even when it is undiscovered. Reality magicians can create new principals and bend the old ones to fit together to assist in any situation.

When you reach this level you are the embodiment of hypnosis, you do it naturally and things seem to happen solely because you intend them to happen.

The best way to define reality magician is to use the words of Dr. Milton Erickson. “You become the scenery to which the other people naturally respond to in the way that you intend them to.”

This is where you want your level of Conversational Hypnosis to be, reality magician. This is a powerful set of shoes to fill; it is a complete way of thinking that will elevate your mastery endlessly.

You must be able to appreciate this power as well as grow it responsibly. To do this, hands on training is suggested. ~~

Perhaps reading my two posts above again will clarify your question??

It was just a suggestion and other suggestions are welcome.

 

[Ant22]

@ Ant22 - just a suggestion, I'm also not an expert, but we somehow need to get along in the world and why do it the hard way when there are other ways - I mean, why fight with people who have the guns when you can get find a middle ground or something? It's about understanding human nature and the basic programs running in humans and working with the programs.

I spent some time earlier today looking into this as well as the videos you mentioned and I don't think I fully understand the link between them and the point above. I'm totally sold on understanding "human nature and basic programs running in humans and working with the programs" but means of manipulation are not the way to go.
I think I'll stick to working on myself and my own response/approach to "the people who have the guns" instead of working on the people with the guns. Please do correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Work more about working on the self rather than changing the other?

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If you read the definition of a 'reality magician' as defined here:
http://conversational-hypnosis.com/articles/a86.html

The best way to define reality magician is to use the words of Dr. Milton Erickson. “You become the scenery to which the other people naturally respond to in the way that you intend them to.”

I'm really sorry to jump in and respond to a post you wrote to Joe but the bolded section above makes me think of a piece titled "Why You Don’t Create Your Own Reality – an antidote to fatuous New Age paradigms" on the Cassiopaea website.

It can be read here: https://cassiopaea.org/2010/09/15/why-you-dont-create-your-own-reality-an-antidote-to-fatuous-new-age-paradigms/
I personally found it quite mind-blowing.

The phrase 'Reality Magician' and the definition provided is not something I'm willing to buy into. "People respond the way you want them to" does sound like a tool for manipulation. How will you know that "the way you want them to" act is objectively beneficial to them? Wouldn't it be like becoming God?

You must be able to appreciate this power as well as grow it responsibly. To do this, hands on training is suggested.

What kind of training specifically?

 

[Laura]

Conversational Hypnosis is a whole body of work that incorporates a lot. From learning how to spot patterns in people to using emotions to things that sound crazy - Igor Ledochowski's Conversational hypnosis course would be a good place to start.

Please note the spirit that I'm saying this in- To be a Force For Good automatically in the end, requires practice - it's a lot of work.

BTW, here are some of his Conversational hypnosis articles: _http://conversational-hypnosis.com/articles.htm

How about you describe this "conversational hypnosis" in some detail since you opened this thread with the statement that YOU wanted to talk about it.

 

[kapepua]

I spent some time earlier today looking into this as well as the videos you mentioned and I don't think I fully understand the link between them and the point above. I'm totally sold on understanding "human nature and basic programs running in humans and working with the programs" but means of manipulation are not the way to go.

I think I'll stick to working on myself and my own response/approach to "the people who have the guns" instead of working on the people with the guns. Please do correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Work more about working on the self rather than changing the other?

The phrase 'Reality Magician' and the definition provided is not something I'm willing to buy into. "People respond the way you want them to" does sound like a tool for manipulation. How will you know that "the way you want them to" act is objectively beneficial to them? Wouldn't it be like becoming God?

What kind of training specifically?

Ant22 - Doing hypnotherapy and helping people release trauma, among many things, is another way of dealing with entities. Just different terms in shamanism and psychology. In native shamanism they see entities and retrieve lost soul pieces - whereas in psychology it's about bringing dissociated parts of the person back into consciousness, just that it's two people talking, requires competence. Hope you can make the connection now?

What's your definition of 'manipulation'? Manipulation is a very loose word - it means convincing someone for good or bad.

What if it's two people talking and one convinces the other to his detriment, yet the person doing the convincing is totally unaware of what they did? Is that manipulation? It's a grey word I would say.

Intending: What you become the scenery upon which struggling souls find themselves, since 50% of the population is Adamic - while keeping vampires at bay? There are many things that can be intended for the Work and maybe improving yourself is working on yourself?

What training: Conversational hypnosis by a knowledgeable person, with the right intention.

 

[Joe]

You're not really making any sense or clearly answering the questions you were asked. Most of what you wrote sounds like word salad to me.

 

[kapepua]

How about you describe this "conversational hypnosis" in some detail since you opened this thread with the statement that YOU wanted to talk about it.

Laura- Conversational hypnosis is taught under the assumption that people are (casting hypnotic spells) hypnotizing each other all the time, using words, most do it without knowing about what they are doing, for good or bad.

So it's a way of talking control of accidental hypnosis and casting spells using words, which happens all the time everyday. It's built on principles of unconscious rapport, unconscious communication, recognizing unconscious signals, frames that people live by, stories that influence, embedded commands, unconscious cycles etc and hypnosis in general - The articles should give you an idea.

It's about taking control of this talking part, that happens everyday, and using it for the betterment of whoever or whatever.

The point is in Mastering it as discussed to Embody Love - so that it happens naturally and unconsciously.

At the end of the day it's just a suggestion and an organic portal that's proficient in this, can convince you to drop this project without you knowing why you're dropping it, it will feel like it came from your own mind.

It's a tool, like any other tool - just that once you've mastered it you'll feel like Neo in the Matrix. Seeing the programs and hacking the matrix, maybe freeing lost souls - who knows?

As long as the intention is right??

 

[kapepua]

OK fine, let's just drop this thread.

 

[Ant22]

Hope you can make the connection now?

Nope, I'm afraid I still can't and the fact that you can explains a lot to me.

Tjijandjewa, I won't comment on your explanation of the topic you raised because at this stage I'm going to have to conclude it doesn't make much sense. As Joe said above, it "sounds like a word salad".

I came across a couple of your posts in other places on this forum and it would be helpful if you got yourself familiar with a larger chunk of Laura's work than just a couple of videos. I doubt you'd attempt to explain the above topic to her if you did know more.

To me, learning from Laura's work meant rejecting my previously held beliefs, assumptions, programmes and patterns and following her lead. And I did that because everything she said made sense - more than anything else did before.
Maybe the reason why I cannot seem to make sense of what you're saying is because rather than rejecting the old and accepting the new, you attempted to assimilate Laura's knowledge into your own - and these two aren't very compatible?

OK fine, let's just drop this thread.

Judging by the number of posts, we are both very new to the forum, yet I get the feeling we came here with entirely opposite intentions: I joined the forum to learn - you came here to teach (or hypnotise/manipulate?). Well, you don't seem to be generating too much following.

You're right on this one though, it's best if I "drop this thread" - simply because I cannot see any benefit for myself in learning from you.

 

[Anamarija]

Judging by the number of posts, we are both very new to the forum, yet I get the feeling we came here with entirely opposite intentions: I joined the forum to learn - you came here to teach (or hypnotise/manipulate?). Well, you don't seem to be generating too much following.

I agree, also there is so many topic just in the Newbies section that is very important to read that Tjijandjewa obviously didn't, but he should.

Also, I don't know about rest of you, but common culture is to respect the house that you visiting. Making noise is just act of disrespect.

 

[Ant22]

Judging by the number of posts, we are both very new to the forum, yet I get the feeling we came here with entirely opposite intentions: I joined the forum to learn - you came here to teach (or hypnotise/manipulate?). Well, you don't seem to be generating too much following.

I agree, also there is so many topic just in the Newbies section that is very important to read that Tjijandjewa obviously didn't, but he should.

Also, I don't know about rest of you, but common culture is to respect the house that you visiting. Making noise is just act of disrespect.

My first thought on Tjijandjewa's response to Laura's question was also the analogy of the house, I saw mentioned on the forum before and it's a very clear way of putting it.

However, let me apologize for making noise here myself by getting drawn into this evidently pointless discussion