fabric said:
lux said:
I would like to add my two cents. I spend some time on learning about hypnosis and NLP.
The most known NLP techniques etc. They are just advertising and they frequently work as the forms of making expression on other people or self and can not be use as the tools (without full commitment on different levels) to make any business or social or partner relationship or longterm maintenance of the internal changes.
In the big short, this is a way of planting some suggestions or imaginations in the mind of other person, and if that person do not find confirmation in somebody's personality traits or in the value of the product sold, the spell is broken.
There is nothing like NLP's seduction techniques or seller techniques because nothing like this really exist.
The real power is hidden in the man/woman's inner resources and traits.
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Agree. Well the whole thing looks pretty much like a sales pitch to me and though it may work for some in certain situations, it's not the end all be all it claims itself to be. Perhaps spending time to understand how the mind works is a better step to defending oneself against these types of techniques? As a start, you may want to check out some of the recommended books in the Cognitive/Social Science and Neuroscience sections
here if you haven't done so already.
I think I could expand my perspective, as a warning and broaden awareness of those interested in the subject.
The techniques (derived from NLP and Hypnosis) are based on using the emotional store of the other person got through life (as the result of nurture, education etc), by recall of certain imaginations in other person's conscious mind what activates emotion/emotions connected to the images and after merging it through the suggestions with the some thing, event, idea or person of the NLPer/Hypnotizer.
It can be any images induced in any way. The most frequently through the talk on certain subject, which depends on the emotions which somebody want to induce. It may be feelings of love, friendship, pleasure or fear, pain, anger it depends on aim.
If one want to make other person to feel sympathy or positively see some product he can enter into conversation, some history about sympathy between two people or some history about how some product give satisfaction to client, seasoning it by linguistic patterns for accentuate key fragments of the conversation, and while conversation going, connect those imaginations and emotions through the additional impulse like gesture, touch, word with oneself, some thing or situation or idea.
Those connections create the subconscious mind of the other person, create because this is his role. Subconscious mind is automatically probing environment looking for connections between different things and keeping them.
How to defend before it. The best is working on the self to neutralize all of those "little I's" or subconscious emotional programs, in order to none of them could be hooked up, drawn to the surface and used.
An example, in the context of politic, if somebody has in himself some fear, let say, toward other countries what was seeded in him in the childhood in time of the war or it has been seeded by education or culture. If those emotions that one "little I" which is afraid of other countries will be not overworked through conscious work on the self, then those emotional stratums can be used by outer influence like mainstream media, politics, through the Hypnotic and NLP techniques, by hooking them up and make some connections by showing them in the context, like, for example, Russia or Putin.
In subconscious mind we can find different fears, sorrows, complexes but also good memories, pleasures and joys. In hypnotic manipulation all of those emotions and images can be used to redirect and connect with somebody or something, creating the prism or filter through the object who is manipulated will be looking at it. This is not exactly that such person, object of manipulation is completly unaware and doesn't responsible for his actions and thoughts. But if we use those techniques on other person, even if we do not take their control over self we intrusively impose the rose-colored spectacles, without their will, without their requests, we prevail upon someone mind without asking.
In the past I hoped to find a possible way of gentle persuasion looking into Hypnotic and NLP techniques. In fact, using those techniques between people is like to be on drinking party. People have fun with each other, somebody solved the philosophical problem bothering the humanity through ages, but until tommorow he will forget everything after sober, you can learn something other people who spill the beans. But we know how it is with drunk people it could be "cool" and "funny", however they can't do anything productive.
The subconscious keep all of those emotions which give the limitless possibilites. All of those theoretically can be taken and redirected, potentially also for good of other person. The main problem with this is that they are useless in the develop of the real willpower that other person. Instead help other person to self-remember himself that he will be able learn and build his own willpower based on the harmony of the work of all the centers, he is pushing into state of dissociation. As we know sometimes dissociation is a good thing, but maintaining in this state dangerously lead to the increasing of mechanisation. And this is what we can observe nowadays as the NLP and Hypnosis enter into media, publicity, politic, business, management. This the progression of the mechanisation the human relationships.
And this is how it looks like. It is not something to be afraid of or be condemn. Those are just group of principles which ruled our psychic life. If somebody is afraid of NLP or hypnosis, the best is to keep calm and just be aware of emotions and intuitions which one feeling toward different things, people and ideas. Observing and questioning them, those emotions, feelings and views on other people and things. Knowledge of techniques may not be enough.
If somebody thinks about using those techniques based on hypnosis and NLP he should be aware that this is not like have a product and talk about its values, it is imposing rose-colored spectacles on someone's eyes through he will be look through. There are some critical or specific situations when those techniques could be used but it is impossible to build functioning network where people can grown and develop.
It is worth to be familiar with Hypnosis and NLP and all that knowledge and cases of the work of those people, but also worth to remember the most of it is not applicable in the work on the self at the daily basis and can be used to cause some effects in order to show certain aspects of work of the human machine or create some shortcut between other person's subconscious mind for meet that person with the possibilities how subconscious has for him or get some information stored in the subconscious.
The fact that something work in one case, doesn't mean that it will work in other case. And this how often it looks like, by using Hypnosis and NLP, it is leading to inducing imbalance and dissociation, instead of allow for conscious development and harmonious relationship between conscious mind and subconscious in order to both of them complement to each other such that no of them overcoming themselves, but be balanced.
Those are just few words, and if somebody is interested should study this topic. But remember that as there can be find valuable information about functioning human mind, such nowadays a lot of that knowledge is shallowed and corrupted.
