What am I or anyone meant to do?

Luke Wilson said:
What am I or anyone meant to do?

I have had to adjust my aim and purpose from heroic abstractions like achieving immortality and saving mankind to simply 'trying to be a good guest on the forum'. Its hard to believe, but even that humble aim is almost beyond my reach. I am grateful for the opportunity to Work to achieve a humble aim.
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I think it is a stretch to say I was rude. Certainly I was confrontational. I know that can make people uncomfortable but when someone calls you a simpleton, I think it is called for.
 
go2 said:
I have had to adjust my aim and purpose from heroic abstractions like achieving immortality and saving mankind to simply 'trying to be a good guest on the forum'. Its hard to believe, but even that humble aim is almost beyond my reach. I am grateful for the opportunity to Work to achieve a humble aim.
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Thats an interesting thing to say, what were you doing to contribute to humanity and saving it? As far as immortal goes well, I believe we never die. I feel that we shouldn't abandon the hero attitude but instead understand what it really is and if the right mentality is held on to could be the key. What we need is a selfless modern day hero is going to be able to give more than they receive. My goal is to make a foundation which will be completely non profit, will make more jobs and work on fixing the issue we have made with killing our planet. Now if everyone was able to adopt and become their own modern day hero, well.. that would be the greatest feat man kind could currently achieve.
 
I hope that I'm not stepping out of bounds by replying to this. Whatever the feedback, hopefully we can learn something together and I hope that it in some way helps.

luke wilson said:
This is abit of my dilemma. The things that run the majority of people and satisfy them, work and has been working for millenia, because it just happens.

Does it satisfy them? If that were the case then I would have to ask why do we have all these things and why do we keep creating even more things in an attempt to "advance"? Why does it seem that most are always striving for more and more? Is it possible that the majority are not in fact satisfied but in fact starving and are not sure how to satiate this need that they feel, yet have been led to believe that if they only have this item or that item they will then be happy? Yet they seemingly always want more?

Look around you. Look harder around you than anything you have ever looked at in your life. Can we honestly say that people are content? This could be another lesson that I need to learn, but I honestly do not see contentment. I see many things, but not contentment.

luke wilson said:
This act of reaction or automation works because it just does. It's almost easy for the majority and they love it, they live there lives in it and you know what, at the end of the day, am sure some receive a certain level of satisfaction with how things are, primarily.

I'm not sure if it satisfy's them, but it does on the surface seem to appear that they love it. They love it so much that they are able to ignore pure horror visited upon this planet and all of it inhabitants so that they can continue to reach higher and higher in the material world.

Is this a definition of true love, the constant demanding of more and more no matter the cost, no matter the harm? If we look deeper, what do we see?

luke wilson said:
The problem for me is the 'cross-over.' That just doesnt happen!!! You can have all the desire in the world, all the gusto the universe can bestow on a man and still, that might not be enough.

True. The way that I understand it is that much depends upon not only what we have learned in this life, but what we have learned in past lives. In other words, if in my past lives I had fulfilled certain parameters required in my lessons, as long as I continued the path in this life there would be a good chance that the lessons learned would come a bit easier.

Listen, this is the way I see it. I have been searching for a long time. It seems to be forever. Recently I just took my first baby step and you know what? I am overjoyed. It is almost impossible to put into words just how thrilled I am. It doesn't matter to me how long it took, nor does it matter to me that this one little step has, instead of lessening my workload, has increased it beyond comprehension. I am happy with this. I feel blessed. I realize that this one baby step may very well require that I study and observe and recognize this one simple feat for the rest of this life and I am willing to continue on with this.....I am honored to do this. Hopefully this will crystallize into a core part of my nature and I have the opportunity to carry this one simple feat into any future lives I may lead. I don't know how long it will take, or if it will be even possible for me to reach that second little step, but I know one thing. I'm willing to give it everything I have and I'm willing to do it until I either succeed or cease to exist.

I don't know if I'm going to "catch this wave" or not. If not, does this mean that I should just quit now or should I not worry about it and just continue to work to the best of my ability? I already know what my CHOICE is.

luke wilson said:
See, my problem is, I am caught smack in the middle of nowhere, where I cant go back and it's like trying to find a single palm-tree in a huge desert that happens to be the 'cross-over.' The journey from automation to freedom(and much needed happiness) is a marathon, not a sprint(atleast for me) and what am trying to ask, is, I think in this journey across this desert, there comes a point, where EVERYONE hits a wall unless you're like special or something like that(?). I dont know if you guys have seen the movie 'Run Fatboy Run' where Simon Pegg talks about the wall that every marathon runner hits in the race... My question is, how does one get over this wall, not the one that marathon runners hit but the one am trying to point at??

Yep, this wall is hell. It is a test of will, a test of endurance, a test of determination and dedication. How long are you willing to bang your head against it?

I think that much of it is up to the individual. It seems that some people can come up to these walls and perhaps due to their past work are able to smash it down very quickly with a wreaking ball. Others, such as myself......I think that I had a teaspoon.

I used to be envious of those with the wreaking ball. I wanted to be able to quickly understand everything and I wanted to "save" the world.

It does not work like this. It is not up to me to save the world, and I certainly did not have a wreaking ball. I had a teaspoon and that was it.

What can I do? I can work on myself. I can do my best to assist others who ask. I can continue to happily work with this teaspoon until whatever powers that be decide that I have learned my lesson and upgrade my arsenal to a hammer and chisel. What else can I do? In my current state, what else do I really have that I can work on?


luke wilson said:
This is my 'issue.' I dont think sweat and struggle are enough. If they were enough, alot of people would have got out of dodge by now and through the bygone millenias!! What is the missing ingredient(s)? The one that makes all the difference, or a huge chunk of it. Don juan says it's energy and freeing it up and the only way to do this is by living impeccably. That is dangerously vague it makes me want to pull my hair out, am hoping someone else can shed some light on this...

If you don't think sweat and struggle are enough, then you are correct, it will not be enough and you will probably have to think your way around it. I'm sorry, the only thing I have are a teaspoon and a direction. For the time being I know no other way.

I do not look at all of the information on this site and a select few others to be a quick rout to the wreaking ball. I see this information more as a map that I have to study and learn. A map that points to the little crevices and weak spots in the wall that you are facing. Using this information and my proverbial teaspoon, I have been able to move forward. One tiny step but forward nonetheless. I call that a small victory and worth celebrating.

I at one time wanted to run also. Heck, I wanted to fly....skip all this other stuff. Impossible expectation and wishful thinking. I still have to understand this first step.

FWIW, as far as what Don Juan was saying. I'm pretty sure that he was acknowledging what the end goal was. I'm not sure if this is something we should worry about. When we reach that point, we will be at that point. Not before. Sorry, wish I could give you more.

luke wilson said:
I am not sure but if I had to give an answer I'd say I think the aim is getting out of here and escaping these vicious, merciless, relentless loops!! The meaning might just be to experience stuff. Maybe the universe doesnt really care what we experience just aslong as we are experiencing something. So come total destruction or total/partial liberation, the universe just doesnt care but maybe it'd like us to be free so we can go on experiencing some more stuff... Maybe(?). Maybe that is why the Cs are helping us, not to save us but to save themselves so they can go on keeping on being aware and stuff.... - those greedy 6D beings!


I only have one thing to say here. This is one big school and we are here to learn IF WE CHOOSE TO. The lessons are not easy to begin with and we at times to make them even harder than they have to be. There is just no easy way.

Dave.
 
As far as I can see wanderer you were rude and you were defamatory to Luke. Furthermore my original query still stands; why write your post in the third person?
 
aaron r said:
As far as I can see wanderer you were rude and you were defamatory to Luke. Furthermore my original query still stands; why write your post in the third person?

aaron r, I think this particular issue has probably been discussed enough at this point. wanderer33 said above that he is going to try to work on his approach, so let's give him a chance to do that and allow everyone else to get back to the main thread topic.
 
Hey crimsoneagle....

Been awhile since I have looked at this thread.

CrimsonEagle said:
Why does it seem that most are always striving for more and more?

Interesting points. I think there is a combination of reasons why people seem to want more and more. One is that, there is something inherently deficient in us. Like we are empty or not quite full. Another thing is that the PTB has observed this and they have created a world that is meant to fill that empty abyss within us(but obviously it's not, that's the trick). This is atleast what I think. So, they say, power and ambition or wealth with its inherent greed or love or self-gratification etc. Take your pick and chase it and the promise is if you get one of these or a combination in sufficient quantities you will be satisfied.

So I think what you say below is true:

CrimsonEagle said:
Is it possible that the majority are not in fact satisfied but in fact starving and are not sure how to satiate this need that they feel, yet have been led to believe that if they only have this item or that item they will then be happy?

The Billion dollar question, is how do you get away from this? How do you escape the trap? Everything is lessons, but sooner or later after learning enough lessons, it's time to leave one arena and go to another, OSIT. How? Maybe it just happens, nature. I used to think you leave the arena by conscious forced effort.

CrimsonEagle said:
Is this a definition of true love, the constant demanding of more and more no matter the cost, no matter the harm? If we look deeper, what do we see?

No I dont think it's the definition of true love and I think if you look deeper, you see people who are starving and in a sorry state of being and they use selfimportance to mask the inherent hole that lies underneath. I think Don Juan said, self importance is infact self-pity in disguise.

CrimsonEagle said:
I don't know if I'm going to "catch this wave" or not.

In away this has been a lesson for me. Thinking about the wave is putting ones mind in the future and not in the here and now. Not to mention it takes alot of energy worrying and stuff. The thing is, what matters is how we use the here and now. And, after really pushing on my worry and feeling an immense feeling of drainage as a result, it comes down to some realisations. That, I have no power and the little that I have I dont know how to use - I waste alot, I am ultimately at the mercy of the universe, I am a child of the universe and you know what, I wouldnt have it any other way. I like my position. My fear is that I dont have power to make the universe bend to my will but the thing is, I dont want it to bend to my will, atleast not in the ultimate sense. Where is the fun in that? I think after awhile someone will become bored and almost tyrant-like having such power. So, it's about lessons and in a way I like learning lessons eventhough sometimes they can be tough. If I miss this wave, then, you know what, the universe will still be here, I will still be here, so, there is always the next and the next and the next so there is really no hurry. In short, for me, the wave has been a lesson of surrender. Surrendering my self-importance, developing humility & humbleness atleast on how I see and present myself to the universe which has led to developing a sense of reverence for it.

It's hard though, because sometimes we think that by thinking or feeling a certain way, we will get results or be rewarded in some way. So this is how I feel about the universe... Maybe the ultimate form of surrender is one where I dont expect it to reward me for my feelings. How long will it take before I get angry at it and start cussing at it again for making my life not what I want it to be? Or wait, no no, it's me who is responsible not the universe. But, I am its child for pits sake, I didnt just produce myself spontaneously!!! I deserve better than this!!! And we go round and round in circles, with it still ignoring me. Why is it the child has to go looking for the parent? Why do we have to go seeking the spirit or the universe? Why cant it find us!! What kind of love is this really - this sad state of affairs?

The last paragraph is just some of my thoughts and abit incoherent but I thought I'd share since you shared aswell CrimsonEagle...
 
luke wilson said:
In away this has been a lesson for me. Thinking about the wave is putting ones mind in the future and not in the here and now. Not to mention it takes alot of energy worrying and stuff. The thing is, what matters is how we use the here and now. And, after really pushing on my worry and feeling an immense feeling of drainage as a result, it comes down to some realisations. That, I have no power and the little that I have I dont know how to use - I waste alot, I am ultimately at the mercy of the universe, I am a child of the universe and you know what, I wouldnt have it any other way. I like my position. My fear is that I dont have power to make the universe bend to my will but the thing is, I dont want it to bend to my will, atleast not in the ultimate sense. Where is the fun in that? I think after awhile someone will become bored and almost tyrant-like having such power. So, it's about lessons and in a way I like learning lessons eventhough sometimes they can be tough. If I miss this wave, then, you know what, the universe will still be here, I will still be here, so, there is always the next and the next and the next so there is really no hurry. In short, for me, the wave has been a lesson of surrender. Surrendering my self-importance, developing humility & humbleness atleast on how I see and present myself to the universe which has led to developing a sense of reverence for it.

It's hard though, because sometimes we think that by thinking or feeling a certain way, we will get results or be rewarded in some way. So this is how I feel about the universe... Maybe the ultimate form of surrender is one where I dont expect it to reward me for my feelings. How long will it take before I get angry at it and start cussing at it again for making my life not what I want it to be? Or wait, no no, it's me who is responsible not the universe. But, I am its child for pits sake, I didnt just produce myself spontaneously!!! I deserve better than this!!! And we go round and round in circles, with it still ignoring me. Why is it the child has to go looking for the parent? Why do we have to go seeking the spirit or the universe? Why cant it find us!! What kind of love is this really - this sad state of affairs?

The last paragraph is just some of my thoughts and abit incoherent but I thought I'd share since you shared aswell CrimsonEagle...


I soooooo wish that I were better at using the search function :( I type something in and get too many pages and still cant find what I'm looking for.

Anyhow, as the C's stated, ALL THERE IS-IS LESSONS!.

I know what you are going through, and you are right. It is hard.

I do wish that I could somehow say that one magic thing that you need that would alight your mind in a way that would shock you, but I cant. I am not qualified, and even if I did have the knowledge, how would I convey it better than they have done at this site?

There is so much information on this site, it is amazing. The only suggestions that I do feel comfortable making are to continue your research and continue to post your thoughts and feelings on these forums. They call this "looking into the mirror" I believe and it is beneficial to not only yourself but to everyone else as well.

Just remember. Sometimes there will be responses that you dont want to hear. Dont take offense, sometimes it can seem harsh. They are here to not only learn, but to help. Instead try to look deeper at what is being said. I think that most on these forums are working towards the same goal and if they notice something offensive posted, intentional or not, they will speak up both to protect you, but also to protect others from you if you step over the line unintentionally. (This from what I have seen applies to everyone and is a good thing).

I thank you very much for taking into consideration what I said. If we are going to learn we have to be willing to face scrutiny, otherwise we learn nothing.

We have to have patience. We can only learn what we can learn when we can learn it. There just are no shortcuts. The work has to be done.

I will be around and I wish you the best of luck here.

Dave.
 
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