What are you here to experience and why?

Carlybee

Carlybee

Padawan Learner
I was driving back from a day in the country when I started thinking about energy, form, and its symbiotic relationship here in 3D (as you do, sometimes my enquiring mind can be over enquiring lol), and I was wondering what your thoughts were on what you think you are here to experience and why?

Because for me, I feel we are energy beings (or souls if you like) experiencing this form to grow in knowledge and learn from different perspectives to contribute to a greater whole, we enter this form alone and we go out alone, no other form really can experience your minds viewpoint, your emotions, your senses and what you experience truly, it is only you.

Maybe the trick, I feel, is to individually remember that we are all part of a larger energy having an individual learning experience; once you feel and know this you realize there is no separation really.

So for me, I’m keen to know where all the knowledge is going, how it is used and what the next level is to experience. Then I want to prepare the best I can (such as E.E, an organic diet and undoing belief systems) for that next level so I can keep experiencing and learning and contributing to the whole. Essentially I want to know and expand my soul and master my mind to eventually know and return to the whole (or all that is) with the knowledge I have experienced.

Would love to hear your thoughts. :flowers:

Cx
 
Carlybee said:
...I was wondering what your thoughts were on what you think you are here to experience and why?
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Hi Carlybee. Unfortunately I don't know what I'm here to experience. In fact, I don't even know what my overall purpose is in this life. When I think about it, though, I have a strong impression that my purpose isn't really related to me. IOW, I see myself being able to do the Work I'm supposed to do whether I'm walking the street as a homeless person or in any other situation. I also see myself NOT knowing each specific case of "what to do" until it's time. It's sort of feels like needing to be in the right place at the right time for what Universe wants.

Sound strange? It kinda does to me too, but it won't matter to 'me', because to get to this point, I will likely need to get as much of 'myself' out of the way as possible - that is, the false personality. I guess that's about all I can say about it...and what I did say might be totally wrong - or just a dream. :)
 
To these questions, the 'I' of my personality would have a different answer at different times, sometimes thinking I know something, and at other times having not a clue. I suspect that in order to answer them with what is actually true, I will need to continue making every effort toward acquiring a real 'I'. So the only answer I could give at this time is that it appears my purpose is to do just that.
 
Hi Carlybee. When I was younger I thought that my reason for being alive on this planet was to make a positive difference in people's lives. I wanted to save everything that was hurting including humans and animals. I graduated from an environmental tech college and years later I realized that I could not help Earth heal from constant pollution created by humans. I was catering to oil companies for low pay while I was destroying my health being exposed to everyday's chemicals in a laboratory setting. Then I realized that people really did not want to be helped because if they did they would be willing to change their behavior that was causing the harm in their lives in the first place.

Years later I realized that I needed to help myself grow. I needed to wake up and really smell the stinking rat, as Laura has written in many of her books, because once you find out where it is coming from, you get this internal need to understand the smell and the reason where it's coming from and what i's purpose is. Getting to know 'ME' is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. ANd to control my emotions is part of the battle. I just went to see 'Avatar' yeasterday and I started crying the first time I saw the beautiful forest on the screen. The movie did something to my emotions, which I have been working so hard to control, that I found myself unable 'completely' to control. I was like an idiot crying for something that was unreal; the movie was just a movie that's all. But for some reason I just wanted to become part of the movie and to never return to this reality.

And then today, as I was making myself coffee in my kitchen I noticed this older lady collapsing in the part (which is being used by homeless people, some druggies and teenagers to do whatever in the middle of the night) in front of the place where I live. I immediately called 911 to get some help as I do not know how to do CPR and would not know what to do at all with someone who is unconscious and convulsing at the same time. It took almost 15 minutes for the EMS and police to arrive becuase first of all the lady who responded to my 911 call called police and then I was transferred to EMS again after she did her thorough entry into the data system. Finally EMS arrived and I went back to my place to cry again. Like an emotional idiot.

I have met a lot of psychopaths in this lifetime, it's weird but all of them were of the male gender, so I have a lot of garbage that has accumulated and showed up in this lifetime. I think that I need to make peace with my karma and become less emotional because I will end up being one of those souls who will end up being smashed. I just hope I have enough time to do that before the end comes. If I would have the option to end up living like an Avatar in that movie, I would choose that life right now. So peaceful, serene, so magical,beautiful, a life that really makes sense.

Carlybee, we all have different reasons to come here but I think that most of us do want a life/reality that has a meaning.
 
I think right now I need to overcome my fear of people. what I am I here to experience. I don't know. suffering? perhaps growth. happiness. I'm not sure what my higher being had / has in store for me. as the C's say, the future is open. as of right now I am just hoping to survive again and not be weighted down so much. so my thoughts may be different than others at the point in time. I do not want to loose the battle. (against 4d sts)

It is interesting to ponder this question you have asked. it is maybe "fun". what does it do? I don't know. When I have thought about what I am here to experience I am often drawn to my interactions with others. why did i meet this person / how. It puts my life into a more interesting perspective. It also makes me think that there are people i do not have contact with anymore and I wish I did; maybe part of "soul group".

thanks for letting me write this :)
 
Not so long ago, I wanted to know what my purpose was in life, as if I had incarnated for a specific reason. However, having read Gurdjieff and other works recommended here on the forum, my understanding has changed.

When we are born, we are born as 3D beings. We're a body and little else. Slowly things develop. If we were born into a natural environment, with no pathological influences, and with elders and parents who understood how to bring up children correctly, then we might have some chance of finding a purpose in life. However, we're not in such an environment. We are exposed to pathological and narcissistic psychological material from the moment of birth, and all this interferes with our natural growth in life. For some people one could say that their purpose in life is to free themselves of pathological thinking, and hopefully out of that process may come a recognition of a purpose in life. But there are no guarantees.

I also think that the desire to have a Purpose is rather narcissistic, and even somewhat messianic. Such an idea often means that the person thinks they are here to 'help people' or to 'save the planet' or some such. If we consider that detoxifiying the mind and emotions from pathological material, and growing in knowledge can hopefully lead to selflessness, then a different kind of purpose comes into view. That is, a selfless observing of objective reality, 'left and right', which leads to an understanding of what to Do, which understanding leads to action that brings about 'order'. I've put 'order' in quotes because the type of order I mean is one which is beneficial to humanity – fluid, responsive and organic. Not the type of order that has to be kept in place by an oppressive totalitarian regime.

Anyway, getting back to your question. I am here to experience continued detoxification of my body and mind of pathological material, to continue to grow in kowledge, and to continue to choose to be aligned with the creative side of the universe. And who knows where that may lead?
 
Mona said:
Hi Carlybee. When I was younger I thought that my reason for being alive on this planet was to make a positive difference in people's lives. I wanted to save everything that was hurting including humans and animals. I graduated from an environmental tech college and years later I realized that I could not help Earth heal from constant pollution created by humans. I was catering to oil companies for low pay while I was destroying my health being exposed to everyday's chemicals in a laboratory setting. Then I realized that people really did not want to be helped because if they did they would be willing to change their behavior that was causing the harm in their lives in the first place.

Years later I realized that I needed to help myself grow. I needed to wake up and really smell the stinking rat, as Laura has written in many of her books, because once you find out where it is coming from, you get this internal need to understand the smell and the reason where it's coming from and what i's purpose is. Getting to know 'ME' is the hardest thing I have ever done in my life. ANd to control my emotions is part of the battle. I just went to see 'Avatar' yeasterday and I started crying the first time I saw the beautiful forest on the screen. The movie did something to my emotions, which I have been working so hard to control, that I found myself unable 'completely' to control. I was like an idiot crying for something that was unreal; the movie was just a movie that's all. But for some reason I just wanted to become part of the movie and to never return to this reality.

And then today, as I was making myself coffee in my kitchen I noticed this older lady collapsing in the part (which is being used by homeless people, some druggies and teenagers to do whatever in the middle of the night) in front of the place where I live. I immediately called 911 to get some help as I do not know how to do CPR and would not know what to do at all with someone who is unconscious and convulsing at the same time. It took almost 15 minutes for the EMS and police to arrive becuase first of all the lady who responded to my 911 call called police and then I was transferred to EMS again after she did her thorough entry into the data system. Finally EMS arrived and I went back to my place to cry again. Like an emotional idiot.

I have met a lot of psychopaths in this lifetime, it's weird but all of them were of the male gender, so I have a lot of garbage that has accumulated and showed up in this lifetime. I think that I need to make peace with my karma and become less emotional because I will end up being one of those souls who will end up being smashed. I just hope I have enough time to do that before the end comes. If I would have the option to end up living like an Avatar in that movie, I would choose that life right now. So peaceful, serene, so magical,beautiful, a life that really makes sense.

Carlybee, we all have different reasons to come here but I think that most of us do want a life/reality that has a meaning.
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Hi Mona,

I hear you! Getting to know and understand yourself is the most difficult thing Ive done (and still doing) in my life too. Im learning to be more like water off a ducks back too, I hate being so sensitive and emotional Ive always been that way and yes I balled my eyes out seeing Avatar too hehe! I got so lost in the movie as I saw it in 3D and I didnt want the movie to end lol (sad but true haha).

I still dont understand how people can be so desensitised to others pain be it physical or emotional, I swear people care less and less these days its scary! On days Im feeling extra vulnerable I hate leaving the house as I can pick up on others feelings and pain way too strongly sometimes and I take it on board and get teary, so thats another thing to protect ourselves against especially the psychopaths omg yes, thats why Im reading up on as much as I can to protect myself against these types of people. Im not sure if I have met any yet (some say my ex husband is one lol) but after reading more and more there are a few people that would fit the profile but I have intuitively distanced myself from these people as they feel toxic to be around...a bit like an emotional vampire and you feel totally drained after being in their presence, stay away from ones that do that to you so you can conserve your positive energy. Anyway that was a bit off topic, so maybe for you and myself part of being here is about mastering our emotions but not trying to deaden them as thats what makes us compassionate loving helpful humans :-)
 
wetroof said:
I think right now I need to overcome my fear of people. what I am I here to experience. I don't know. suffering? perhaps growth. happiness. I'm not sure what my higher being had / has in store for me. as the C's say, the future is open. as of right now I am just hoping to survive again and not be weighted down so much. so my thoughts may be different than others at the point in time. I do not want to loose the battle. (against 4d sts)

It is interesting to ponder this question you have asked. it is maybe "fun". what does it do? I don't know. When I have thought about what I am here to experience I am often drawn to my interactions with others. why did i meet this person / how. It puts my life into a more interesting perspective. It also makes me think that there are people i do not have contact with anymore and I wish I did; maybe part of "soul group".

thanks for letting me write this :)
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Hi Wetroof, yes I think its kinda intriguing and partly exciting pondering what our experiences may be and where they are taking us and why hehe :-)

You sound sensitive to people as well? Maybe you're investing your time with some people that don't fully support you or maybe some drain your energy? I know sometimes when Im already drained of energy I would tend to be afraid to spend time with certain people as I knew I would come away exhausted so I would naturally see them less and less, this is how I kinda learned the difference between toxic people and supportive positive people, the trick is to disengage from the energy drainers or psychos lol without offending them or feeling guilty, that was something I struggled with. Ive had to learn a lot about self love and self protection these days as I used to get angry at myself and the world for feeling like a doormat, but it was inherently my own fault as I didn't think I was worth it.
All is learning and if you can get the lessons and apply them, life truly rocks! :-)

Maybe what were here to experience is like a moving target? Constantly flux and ever changing.
 
Endymion said:
Not so long ago, I wanted to know what my purpose was in life, as if I had incarnated for a specific reason. However, having read Gurdjieff and other works recommended here on the forum, my understanding has changed.

When we are born, we are born as 3D beings. We're a body and little else. Slowly things develop. If we were born into a natural environment, with no pathological influences, and with elders and parents who understood how to bring up children correctly, then we might have some chance of finding a purpose in life. However, we're not in such an environment. We are exposed to pathological and narcissistic psychological material from the moment of birth, and all this interferes with our natural growth in life. For some people one could say that their purpose in life is to free themselves of pathological thinking, and hopefully out of that process may come a recognition of a purpose in life. But there are no guarantees.

I also think that the desire to have a Purpose is rather narcissistic, and even somewhat messianic. Such an idea often means that the person thinks they are here to 'help people' or to 'save the planet' or some such. If we consider that detoxifiying the mind and emotions from pathological material, and growing in knowledge can hopefully lead to selflessness, then a different kind of purpose comes into view. That is, a selfless observing of objective reality, 'left and right', which leads to an understanding of what to Do, which understanding leads to action that brings about 'order'. I've put 'order' in quotes because the type of order I mean is one which is beneficial to humanity – fluid, responsive and organic. Not the type of order that has to be kept in place by an oppressive totalitarian regime.

Anyway, getting back to your question. I am here to experience continued detoxification of my body and mind of pathological material, to continue to grow in kowledge, and to continue to choose to be aligned with the creative side of the universe. And who knows where that may lead?
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Endymion I love your point of view, thats almost like an undoing of what society has taught us and this is a learning in itself! But at the same time we are not really adding to ourselves like were taught, its more of a shedding back to our true selves, an unravelling back to the core to reconstruct by selflessly observing.

All our lives we're taught that we need to constantly add to ourselves, you need this, you need that, especially when it comes to the monetary system and material things that are meant to "enhance" us in some way or another. I haven't started Gurdjieff's work yet but that will be my next path once I have my E.E and POTS more under my belt, good to take it slowly with these things, for me anyway since my emotions are full on and surfacing from the separation from my husband last month.

Thankyou for sharing, and listening to my little rant too! :-)
 
Bud said:
Carlybee said:
...I was wondering what your thoughts were on what you think you are here to experience and why?
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Hi Carlybee. Unfortunately I don't know what I'm here to experience. In fact, I don't even know what my overall purpose is in this life. When I think about it, though, I have a strong impression that my purpose isn't really related to me. IOW, I see myself being able to do the Work I'm supposed to do whether I'm walking the street as a homeless person or in any other situation. I also see myself NOT knowing each specific case of "what to do" until it's time. It's sort of feels like needing to be in the right place at the right time for what Universe wants.

Sound strange? It kinda does to me too, but it won't matter to 'me', because to get to this point, I will likely need to get as much of 'myself' out of the way as possible - that is, the false personality. I guess that's about all I can say about it...and what I did say might be totally wrong - or just a dream. :)
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Hi Bud,

I was pondering your post and no it doesn't sound strange at all. Although it kinda does feel like a dream sometimes though too, except you have the perception that you have more control over what you want to happen, but in reality we don't have control at all... although we like to think we do lol.

Or maybe I just ponder too much lol, but I dont seem to be able to stop questioning everything since I took the blinkers off! :)
 
venusian said:
To these questions, the 'I' of my personality would have a different answer at different times, sometimes thinking I know something, and at other times having not a clue. I suspect that in order to answer them with what is actually true, I will need to continue making every effort toward acquiring a real 'I'. So the only answer I could give at this time is that it appears my purpose is to do just that.
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Hi Venusian, discovering the true "I" now thats a huge task, I guess one could spend their whole lifetime on that one alone. Its funny cause there doesn't seem to be any one road map to our true self, (although many religions would have you believe otherwise lol) its so individual which when you think about it, is the way nature is, totally creative and individual yet totally symbiotic at the same time! :flowers:
 
Endymion said:
Not so long ago, I wanted to know what my purpose was in life, as if I had incarnated for a specific reason. However, having read Gurdjieff and other works recommended here on the forum, my understanding has changed.

When we are born, we are born as 3D beings. We're a body and little else. Slowly things develop. If we were born into a natural environment, with no pathological influences, and with elders and parents who understood how to bring up children correctly, then we might have some chance of finding a purpose in life. However, we're not in such an environment. We are exposed to pathological and narcissistic psychological material from the moment of birth, and all this interferes with our natural growth in life. For some people one could say that their purpose in life is to free themselves of pathological thinking, and hopefully out of that process may come a recognition of a purpose in life. But there are no guarantees.

I also think that the desire to have a Purpose is rather narcissistic, and even somewhat messianic. Such an idea often means that the person thinks they are here to 'help people' or to 'save the planet' or some such. If we consider that detoxifiying the mind and emotions from pathological material, and growing in knowledge can hopefully lead to selflessness, then a different kind of purpose comes into view. That is, a selfless observing of objective reality, 'left and right', which leads to an understanding of what to Do, which understanding leads to action that brings about 'order'. I've put 'order' in quotes because the type of order I mean is one which is beneficial to humanity – fluid, responsive and organic. Not the type of order that has to be kept in place by an oppressive totalitarian regime.

Anyway, getting back to your question. I am here to experience continued detoxification of my body and mind of pathological material, to continue to grow in kowledge, and to continue to choose to be aligned with the creative side of the universe. And who knows where that may lead?
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I agree with you, Endymion, that the need to have a purpose or to desire one is narcissistic. Laura has used so many examples in her books to make this point clear. I used to be a new age fanatic and was drawn to help the helpless and hurting souls. The funny thing is that I was almost always drawn to the psychopaths, because as a new age follower I found it hard to say no to a hurting soul in need. I felt how could anyone say no to a hurting soul who suffered as a child and brought his pains with him into adulthood. If only he could get some extra loving care maybe he will find the peace his heart was looking for. Yes, I know, I was quite stupid. It's sad. But once I started reading books by Laura, Castaneda and Gurdieff my one way thinking has improved. It's still not there where i should be but one thing changed for sure that I no longer fall under the spell of psychopaths. Seeing myself as a narcissist instead of a hopeless savior helped me get my head straight.
"Choosing to align oneself to the creative side of the universe" hit the core with me. Being emotional will definitely not help me achieve that; it will instead lead me to limitations that are unnecessary to anyone's growth.

Thanks for saying that. Carlybee, we need to get to work and get our emotions under control ;D
 
I've decided that my "purpose" is simply to learn my lessons. And I don't think I would have ever thought about things this way if I had not begun to wake up. I feel very fortunate that I have.

Certain aspects of my daily life have been rather frustrating recently so I have been asking myself a lot of questions relating to this very topic. The first question was "how the hell am I supposed to get out of this mess?". But then I started thinking about the fact that if I'm in this mess, I must have chosen it for a reason, before I was born. So maybe getting out of it is not the answer, and learning from it, is. I think that if I can learn the lessons that the situation is providing for me, my life will change accordingly.

But I really had to ask myself why I would have chosen to be such a jerk!

I looked back at my life and thought about how much of a jerk I used to be, how many people I hurt due to my selfishness and thoughtlessness, how all of it was related to my obsession with the physical pleasures of this reality, and that it was all about ME. As much as it hurts to think about these things, I realised that maybe I had to BE that person, in order to really understand what is WRONG with being that person. And maybe being that person was part of the process that led to me beginning to wake up. So when I look at it that way, I think I must be doing exactly what I'm "supposed" to be doing, as long as I'm learning the lessons. Learning what I have so far has led me to becoming a better person.

So I can say proudly: I may still be a jerk, but not nearly as big a jerk as before! :D
 
Carlybee said:
Maybe the trick, I feel, is to individually remember that we are all part of a larger energy having an individual learning experience; once you feel and know this you realize there is no separation really.
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I'm not real certain I agree with you here, Carlybee. The reason being that, as you hint at below, the love and light brigade's 'we are all one' doesn't seem to take into account psychopaths and OP's. Unless maybe you are just referring to those here in the forum?

Carlybee said:
I still dont understand how people can be so desensitised to others pain be it physical or emotional, I swear people care less and less these days its scary!
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There are some great threads that discuss how it is that some people have no conscience/cares for others. And, though I could be wrong, I don't know that they should be included in the 'all one' ideal. Not that they don't have a purpose in the greater scheme of things.
 
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