What does everyone think of this short video?

[Joe]

Is it a valid message to spread? Is it in line with Sott's take?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8a-IBwaWlE&feature=player_embedded

 

[Windmill knight]

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I think that the juxtaposition of images with the message suggests that an armed rebellion is the way to go. I don't think we want to support that idea.

 

[anart]

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of this short video? Is it a valid message to spread? Is it in line with Sott's take?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8a-IBwaWlE&feature=player_embedded

It's a good question. The video is very powerful - but it promotes violence. Then again, what other choice has Israel left Palestine - even though Palestine's violence is futile against such a powerful enemy? In fact, I wonder if the endorsement of violence doesn't actually play into Israel's hand? Once you get violent, they know how to handle you - and Israel is holding all the cards.

I don't know - I think all of it is very powerful, but the section where they show the weapons seems off in only that it plays into the Israeli propaganda so strongly.

Is there another route of resistance for Palestine? There has to be because the violent route of resistance only begets horrifically lopsided violence in return; thus it is not resistance, it is suicide.

All in all - I think the video is a liability to Palestine, yet I don't have an answer for what route would be an asset.

As far as being SoTT material - I don't know, I tend to think not, though it's a fine line. Perhaps others have a different perspective.

 

[Bobo08]

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How about this video instead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWGqdyFII_s

 

[Cyre2067]

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While I appreciate the vibe of the piece, the righteous anger, the self-defensive nature of the conflict, the right to resist occupation/torture/fascism - it does indicate that violence is the method. Now, understanding the history of mankind, this has been the path to 'freedom' others have taken - the American Revolution case in point.

I feel like we've come to understand something fundamentally new, something so different from how things have been done in the past, that to channel this sort of message/energy via sott isn't up to par with our current level of knowledge/being.

I also don't see this also a message of Hope, nor something that will change anyone's mind. To those of us that support Palestine it's an exclamation point on the self-defensive nature of the the conflict. To those that are pro-Israel they'll see 'terrorist propaganda'.

I also felt the music was very heavy, drums of war is a phrase that comes to mind. It gave the piece a heavier feel and made things seem a bit more black/white, as if the message they were trying to share ends up getting drilled into your head. It's the difference between a siren and a symphony and we have the potential to be much more symphonic.

edit: Just watched the video Bobo posted, and I find that much more basic and appealing. The music was still an issue for me, but the message seems to be more directed at openness about what's happening, about transmitting that awareness, and about the potential for change as a result.

 

[go2]

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Is there another route of resistance for Palestine? There has to be because the violent route of resistance only begets horrifically lopsided violence in return; thus it is not resistance, it is suicide.

I do not think violence or the support of violence is the role of Sott, however it may be the Palestinian's choice to die in battle, rather than by slow genocide. Resistance to tyranny has many roles. The Nazi death camps and the Soviet gulugs murdered countless millions of innocent human beings who did not resist with violence, and yet they paid with their lives, as did many who resisted the tyrants with arms. It is unlikely that psychopaths will respect pacifism, they are more likely to defeated by sustained resistance using all known and knowable tactics, including this forum and Sott's search for and dissemination of truth. This is a complex question and a complex struggle on many fronts and over many generations, which each man and women and their conscience and fate alone can answer.

 

[Biomiast]

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I don't think it is a good idea to use video without any comment. On the other hand, if Sott editors can write a piece about how Palestinians don't have much of a choice anymore, yet what they are doing is simply for Zionist's benefit. Basically writing what forumites mentioned in this thread about Israeli occupation.

The article may mention how psychopaths use righteous anger of Palestinians and turn it against them by media coverage while hiding their own war crimes. So in the end, the article won't be directly about using violence against Israel, but it would be about how psychopaths manipulates people's emotions and conscience for their own purposes. Article may also contain a disclaimer stating that Sott never advocates violent activities, yet they do see why Palestinians feel that way.

Just my two cents, fwiw.

 

[ana]

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For me the video is just horrible.

And it made me think on what Gurdjieff said about war:

Have you noticed how everyone now is talking about the war? Everyone has his own plan, his own theory. Everyone finds that nothing is being done in the way it ought to be done. Actually everything is being done in the only way it can be done. If one thing could be dif- ferent everything could be different. And then perhaps there would have been no war.

"Try to understand what I am saying: everything is dependent on everything else, everything is connected, nothing is separate. Therefore everything is going in the only way it can go. If people were different everything would be different. They are what they are, so everything is as it is."

"There was a question about war. How to stop wars? Wars cannot be stopped. War is the result of the slavery in which men live. Strictly speaking men are not to blame for war. War is due to cosmic forces, to planetary influences. But in men there is no resistance whatever against these influences, and there cannot be any, because men are slaves. If they were men and were capable of 'doing,' they would be able to resist these influences and refrain from killing one another."

"But surely those who realize this can do something?" said the man who had asked the question about war. "If a sufficient number of men came to a definite conclusion that there should be no war, could they not influence others?"
"Those who dislike war have been trying to do so almost since the creation of the world," said G. "And yet there has never been such a war as the present. Wars are not decreasing, they are increasing and war cannot be stopped by ordinary means. All these theories about universal peace, about peace conferences, and so on, are again simply laziness and hypocrisy. Men do not want to think about themselves, do not want to work on themselves, but think of how to make other people do what they want. If a sufficient number of people who wanted to stop war really did gather together they would first of all begin by making war upon those who disagreed with them. And it is still more certain that they would make war on people who also want to stop wars but in another way. And so they would fight. Men are what they are and they cannot be different. War has many causes that are unknown to us. Some causes are in men themselves, others are outside them. One must begin with the causes that are in man himself. How can he be independent of the external influences of great cosmic forces when he is the slave of everything that surrounds him? He is controlled by everything around him. If he becomes free from things, he may then become free from planetary influences.

 

[andi]

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No.
The music and the visuals are way too powerful- is the kind of message the enemie awaits for.
Gives me the the feeling of makeing my own justice.
Let me listen to it one more time and I think I'll just go kill my boss.

 

[The rabbit]

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When one is actually living and existing under such tyranny , one will then make ones choice on how to exist under such tyranny.

If you are attacked walking down any street in the world , do you defend yourself if you can , or do you allow the attack ?

Despite the fact that the people of Palestine , Iraq and other downtrodden peoples of the world are seeing their families killed in a bigger way than the people in the west , the western people still suffer the madness of our times.

Go to any inner estate areas in Britain, the U.S. and other places and we will see the madness and the violence committed by some of our youth on pensioners . Not just our youth being twisted in this manner but adults commiting these crimes also.

Today we see a two year sentence overturned on a man who had beaten another man with a cricket bat because the other man , with others had broken into his family house and threatened his family .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/20/appeal-court-frees-man-burglar-attack

Was he right to do it ? Are people allowed to defend themselves ? Would you.

Guns are on the streets and on the estates of Britain everywhere. People are afraid to walk home at night in the fear that violence may be done upon them.

I see reasonable law and order has failed because govts and the PTB don´t live by any law , they are taking what they can with the use of violence and know at present there is no payback for their atrocities.

One can understand the reason why such a video that is linked to here is made.

Personally I cant disagree with it , and nor can I agree with it. What peaceful person could.

Its a Heinz dilemma for many on this planet. The Gurdjieff quote is truthful "War is the result of the slavery in which men live.

While our education fails us , because we know not who we are , or how our emotions etc control us there is nothing to be done. We have gone too far down the road in history to turn it round.

Maybe the whole point is , is that pain , and sorrow and how one reacts to the violence etc that we encounter defines who we are and that it can be no different because these are our 3rd density lessons.

Not many people in general would understand this and think it a cruel thing to say.

My thoughts at present.

 

[Adaryn]

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It does more harm than good IMO, but I understand the point (the parallel with other resistants through history).
I like the one linked by Bobo08 much better. The message is more powerful and more informative, and doesn't seem to promote violence.

 

[go2]

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Is there another route of resistance for Palestine? There has to be because the violent route of resistance only begets horrifically lopsided violence in return; thus it is not resistance, it is suicide.

Jeff Knaebel has destroyed his passport and renounced his American citizenship and requested permission from the National Human Rights Commission of India for permission to reside in India as a stateless person. This act of nonviolent resistance can be witnessed on Youtube and his letter of principles and application to the National Human Rights Commission to reside in India as a stateless person can be read on lewrockwell.com.

I reread Anart's comment on violent resistance and am deeply touched by her words and Jeff Knaebel's courageous and creative resistance to the soulless tyranny that stalks humanity in this age. It was serendipity to read these words of conscience this morning and consider my own insignificant contribution to mankind. These acts of conscience stand out as a beacon, reminding us of our higher aspirations amid the horrors of war and slavery engulfing humanity. I have pondered the role of martyrs and how these few men and women have sacrificed their lives to keep the flame of love alive for us all.

 

[un chien anadolu]

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In fact, I wonder if the endorsement of violence doesn't actually play into Israel's hand? Once you get violent, they know how to handle you - and Israel is holding all the cards.

I agree with anart. I have a feeling for a while. I am not sure of this but there may be another scenario designed in which Palestine is encouraged to attack Israel which would give "a reason" to Israel.

Also Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan is accusing Israel over and over again up to the point of breaking off the relations. He is becoming a hero among Arab public and in Palestine and encouraging the Palestinians. The thing is I don't think (like many others) he is sincere and surely wouldn't play such a role unless his big brothers in U.S. demanded so. It is the part of 'Obama effect turning the world against Israel' campaign and I don't think this is for the good of Palestine.

 

[Nienna]

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The video asked about by Perceval would bring about just what Israel and the western countries want. For Palestinians to fight back. This plays right into Israel's hands. Violence begets violence.

I think that if you want to put up a video, the one that Bobo08 suggests is the better way to go. It's more about passive attacks against Israel. Ones that if Israel makes a move after it is done, it does more damage to Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWGqdyFII_s


fwiw

 

[The rabbit]

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The video asked about by Perceval would bring about just what Israel and the western countries want. For Palestinians to fight back. This plays right into Israel's hands. Violence begets violence.

I think that if you want to put up a video, the one that Bobo08 suggests is the better way to go. It's more about passive attacks against Israel. Ones that if Israel makes a move after it is done, it does more damage to Israel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWGqdyFII_s


fwiw

Sorry but i always have a problem with sentences such as "Thats what the western countries want" who do you / we mean by this sentence?
Surely this is a divisional/ illusional sentence ?

Certain people elites make the decisions not #westen societies"

There are no Americans , British , Japanese , and so on , there are only humans on a planet called earth and in general we all suffer the same , in various shapes and forms. Or so i think.

What is brought up in the video is a / the question

"What should we do?"

This is reality , and it has been happening since any of "us" here can think back to. Fact!

These short films and films like it , are the best , some / we , can do to add to communication of our selves , and what is happening to us in the 21 st century , using the internet as a media.

Its global not divisional and some of us for whatever innate( ? ) reason , disagree with what in general is happening.

All i can say is ,

if i was living in circumstances where somebody any miunit could kick my door down and threaten myself or my family for no other reason than they are mad or brainwashed ,I do believe that i would not have time to think about such things as what other people philosophies about in what i should do next .

We can have an opinion here about the message of the video , but to judge whether the message in the movie is right or wrong , i personally could not say , nor do i think can any one else at the level we are at , say if what is being said is right or wrong.

Oh and a quick edit . Regarding the previous sentence

" if i was living in circumstances where somebody any miunit could kick my door down and threaten myself or my family for no other reason than they are mad or brainwashed ...."

Well i / we do

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