What's happening in Serbia

@Nević Nenad I realize that you are very concerned about what is happening in Serbia, but please refrain from talking like a drunken sailor on this Forum. It is rude and inconsiderate of the members here. We do try to keep a modicum of decency here and we would appreciate it if you would do so as well.
Let me explain myself. This is ignorant talk:

I get that you're not a fan of Vučić, and that living standards and politics make you feel disgusted about everything. But that's how most people feel right now, not just in Serbia but all over the world.

Using general terms like " We Serbs " and in talking in absolute form gives impression that you are more following kafana rumors than that you are using your own head and that you don't really understand what is going on.

For any talk on Serbia, person must live in Serbia, and must know more on Serbia. Petar doesn't, and his comment was very provocative. He should knew that. I tried to offer a mirror, which of course is bad, but that's the best I can. My abilities goes only that far. I'll try to wrapped it up a bit, for the sake of communication, albeit I'm more pro direct talk and passionate if need be.
 
For any talk on Serbia, person must live in Serbia, and must know more on Serbia. Petar doesn't, and his comment was very provocative. He should knew that. I tried to offer a mirror, which of course is bad, but that's the best I can. My abilities goes only that far. I'll try to wrapped it up a bit, for the sake of communication, albeit I'm more pro direct talk and passionate if need be.
This is kind of a mirror:
You are sort of deflecting and shifting the 'blame' as a reason for your inappropriate and inconsiderate words to an alleged "perceived ignorance" of another who you basically attacked, probably due to being emotionally triggered.

In reality, Petar didn't talk so much about Serbia and situation there, but more about your behavior, conduct here and the words used. His post was much closer to a mirror than your, no matter how much you might try to convince others, but probably mainly yourself that you're giving a mirror. His potential 'mistake' was just that, that he 'reflected' back to you how you come across, without you explicitly asking for it.

Actually, since the time I'm aware of myself, and that is thanks to Laura her work with the C's. So, THIS IS THE VERY PLACE that I should talk the way I'm talking. No pussyfooting, just the real talk. If anyone cant stand, I'm sorry, but that one should f... off.
How is this in the quote above, a mirror?
It seems to me you're talking about yourself, in a rather evident sort of defensive stance, trying to justify your out of place words already used by using more of the same, or even worse.
 
This is kind of a mirror:
You are sort of deflecting and shifting the 'blame' as a reason for your inappropriate and inconsiderate words to an alleged "perceived ignorance" of another who you basically attacked, probably due to being emotionally triggered.

In reality, Petar didn't talk so much about Serbia and situation there, but more about your behavior, conduct here and the words used. His post was much closer to a mirror than your, no matter how much you might try to convince others, but probably mainly yourself that you're giving a mirror. His potential 'mistake' was just that, that he 'reflected' back to you how you come across, without you explicitly asking for it.


How is this in the quote above, a mirror?
It seems to me you're talking about yourself, in a rather evident sort of defensive stance, trying to justify your out of place words already used by using more of the same, or even worse.

I really do respect you. But I'm not interested in all of that you wrote. In a thread with specific topic, such as this, and the topic being: "what is happening in Serbia", I'm interested only what is happening in Serbia. And I find that yours and mine opinion of "what is happening in Serbia" can be diametrically different.

What you can conclude of me, of Petar, of my writing style, or literally anything, I am not interested. And that's not from disrespect, but from the fact that I'm really not interested. If you open new thread with the topic, for example: "the rude behavior of Nenad in some threads", I will be obliged to explain myself, and not even that, but it will be great burden for me to explain and justify myself.

Meanwhile, I will set Petar on ignore mode, so that I cant see his posts. I'm not interested in that either. I have that fluffy pinky new agey feel from him, which I dont like. (and of course that I will read his posts here and there just to check was I right or not).

If you insist on further pursuing this what you wrote in this thread, I will put you also to ignore mode. Of course that I will gladly check out what you are writing.
 
For any talk on Serbia, person must live in Serbia, and must know more on Serbia. Petar doesn't, and his comment was very provocative. He should knew that. I tried to offer a mirror, which of course is bad, but that's the best I can. My abilities goes only that far. I'll try to wrapped it up a bit, for the sake of communication, albeit I'm more pro direct talk and passionate if need be.

In a thread with specific topic, such as this, and the topic being: "what is happening in Serbia", I'm interested only what is happening in Serbia.
My comment to you has nothing to do with Serbia. It has to do with your conduct on this Forum. You seem to not consider your fellow readers at all and think that everything you do is just fine. It isn't. You use Serbia as an excuse, which SasaM pointed out to you, in order to deflect the attention off of your behavior and on to the country and the situation there.

This Forum is based on 4th Way principles, which include external consideration, which you don't seem to care about.

I would advise you that if you cannot post in a considerate manner at the time you want to post, to wait until you can do so. Let your emotions cool down. At this point, you seem to not care for your fellow Forum members at all. You are letting your emotions control you instead of using common sense.
 
My comment to you has nothing to do with Serbia. It has to do with your conduct on this Forum. You seem to not consider your fellow readers at all and think that everything you do is just fine. It isn't. You use Serbia as an excuse, which SasaM pointed out to you, in order to deflect the attention off of your behavior and on to the country and the situation there.

This Forum is based on 4th Way principles, which include external consideration, which you don't seem to care about.

I would advise you that if you cannot post in a considerate manner at the time you want to post, to wait until you can do so. Let your emotions cool down. At this point, you seem to not care for your fellow Forum members at all. You are letting your emotions control you instead of using common sense.
I was writing of the country in general sense, and I didn't include any forum member in that writing. If someone find my style offensive and rude, there is a simple way to say that. I understand that. I dont understand why someone would be offended with my writing style on some general topic, because I dont address anyone in person or anything personal, but I find that also to be OK.

I already answered you - OK. No need to go further. There even wasn't the need for Sasa to go further. It want happen again, and you can see that its not happening on other topics. I understand what you are telling me.
 
You seem to not be understanding what has upset people. Your use of profanity in the post under discussion. Most people on this Forum do not really want to read profanities especially the "F" word which you seem to have not problem using. I find it interesting that you don't understand that.

This is a research Forum based on 4th Way principles, not a chatroom where one can say anything and everything without consideration for the other readers.

In this day and age where a lot of people seem to think that spewing forth obscenities is cool and the way to do things may find the consideration of the readers a thing of the past. However, here on this Forum we do stress external consideration for our members and, as I said, at least a modicum of decency.
 
At all NIS pumps from 11 o'clock today it is forbidden to pay with cards: Mastercard, Visa and American express.

Citizens of Serbia will continue to pay for fuel at NIS pumps with cash or a DINA card, which is also stated on the notices displayed at all gas stations of this company throughout Serbia.

The prominent notice reads "Dear consumers, the Oil Industry of Serbia is currently operating under sanctions: PAYMENT WITH CARDS: Mastercard, Visa and American Express is NOT POSSIBLE. Payment can be made in the following ways: Cash, M-banking, DINA and Drive go".


JANAF has information that the company NIS a.d. did not receive the license required for the continuation of the execution of the Crude Oil Transport Agreement, which means that the possibility of further implementation of the contracted activities will end on October 8, 2025, JANAF said in a statement.

By the way, JANAF received permission yesterday to deliver oil to NIS in the next seven days, and it was expected that regardless of the sanctions, it would continue cooperation with the Oil Industry of Serbia. However, an announcement was made that the possibility of further realization of the contract ends.


This is going to be fun. Some people call for nationalization, Croatians are offering to buy NIS, and I'm sure that many companies would love to buy NIS, but how will the Russians respond?
 
You seem to not be understanding what has upset people. Your use of profanity in the post under discussion. Most people on this Forum do not really want to read profanities especially the "F" word which you seem to have not problem using. I find it interesting that you don't understand that.

This is a research Forum based on 4th Way principles, not a chatroom where one can say anything and everything without consideration for the other readers.

In this day and age where a lot of people seem to think that spewing forth obscenities is cool and the way to do things may find the consideration of the readers a thing of the past. However, here on this Forum we do stress external consideration for our members and, as I said, at least a modicum of decency.
I understand that, I'm more for direct talk, so I'm not paying attention at all if someone using it when talking to me. I dont care for that, only what is the essence, what is being said.

I will do my best to avoid that.
 
This is going to be fun. Some people call for nationalization, Croatians are offering to buy NIS, and I'm sure that many companies would love to buy NIS, but how will the Russians respond?
According to the agreement with Gasprom when NIS was sold to the Gasprom, nationalization is not allowed. Russians can sue and ask for international arbitration in that case. What is allowed is that something called "control package of the shares" change hands. That control package of the shares now owns Serbian government and can be sold to anyone interested.

According to journalist Domagoj Margetic (and he was right in all he said so far on this mater) Vucic will sell that control package to some small hedge fund officially owned by Croatian general Ivan Cermak, but unofficially owned by Croatian HDZ political party. Which will prove that war profiteers from Serbia and Croatia are still running the show, and that there is criminal link between Vucic and people in other Balkan political parties and governments. Of course, Vucic is doing that for the provision which goes to himself. The good thing in all of that now is thats it is more in the hands of the USA and Russia, and their big political plays, than in the hands of local criminals, such is Vucic.
 
According to the agreement with Gasprom when NIS was sold to the Gasprom, nationalization is not allowed. Russians can sue and ask for international arbitration in that case.

I think that international arbitration would be on our side. :-D

What is allowed is that something called "control package of the shares" change hands. That control package of the shares now owns Serbian government and can be sold to anyone interested.

But Russians do not want to sell "control package of the shares". They did several switcheroos of shares, but in all cases the majority of shares remained in Russian hands.

According to journalist Domagoj Margetic (and he was right in all he said so far on this mater) Vucic will sell that control package to some small hedge fund officially owned by Croatian general Ivan Cermak, but unofficially owned by Croatian HDZ political party.

I think that there is a higher chance of selling NIS to Hungary, since Serbia is building an oil pipeline to Hungary and Hungary is buying oil from Russia. But even that might end soon.
 
For any talk on Serbia, person must live in Serbia,
And yet you brought up Pshenichnikov who, as far as I know is Russian, doesn't live it Serbia and used to deal with South/Latin America mostly. And Leonid Reshetnikov, also Russian, who had been dismissed from RISI for severe mismanaging of the Institute, nepotism, and promoting adoration for NATO-aligned Bulgaria. Was it because their views coincided with yours? Or because you base your view on theirs? I really don't know what motivated your choice.

Nević, even if you are correct in your views, you are not helping your cause in this way, nor are you helping us to learn more about Serbia. And I would disagree with you that only the inhabitants of a given country know what is really going on there. They often suffer from myopia, tend to mingle with like-minded circles and create an echo chamber. How many Maidan activists do you think were aware of the level of manipulation? How many Soviet revolutionists were aware of the context, manipulations and the unavoidable results?

Back in 1920, Everett Dean Martin, an American journalist, painfully disappointed with he Soviet revolution which he witnessed directly, wrote a precious book titled "Behavior of Crowds". Everyone who goes on or supports a demonstration, takes part in protests, thinks of revolution, should know it by heart before they put their shoes on.

... whether we happen to be conservatives or radicals, reformers or liberals, we must become a cult, write our philosophy of life in flaming headlines, and sell our cause in the market. No matter if we meanwhile surrender every value for which we must strive to cajole the majority into imagining itself on our side, for only with the majority with us, whoever we are, can we live. It is numbers, not values, that count—quantity not quality. Everybody must "moral-crusade," "agitate," "press-agent," play politics. Everyone is forced to speak as the crowd, think as the crowd, understand as the crowd. The tendency is to smother all that is unique, rare, delicate, secret. If you are to get anywhere in this progressive age you must be vulgar, you must add to your vulgarity unction. You must take sides upon dilemmas which are but half true...

Not a place for more extensive quotes but he explains what such actions (revolutions etc) bring: another dictatorship or authoritarianism, tyranny, oppression. What changes is names, the narrative and ownership of valuable assets. He also points to what may make difference.

We are here to learn together. So let's learn, good manners included.
 
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