What's up with North Korea and Kim Jong Un and the West?

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A couple of days ago I came across this video:


The above video is translated into german and I couldn't find the original english one. But this one in english goes into a similar direction:


So it seems that quite a number of stories that we hear in the media about North Korea and Kim Jong Un are at best twisted or worse false.
That certainly bags the question what is really going on there and why the media (especially the western media) is so invested in spreading so much sensationalist cruel stuff (which apparently turns out to be wrong, more often then not) about North Korea/Kim Jong.

Here are a couple of links that explain a bit more about the Westen/South Korean bias and wrong reportings about North Korea:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bias_in_reporting_on_North_Korea_by_Western_news_media#Political_bias
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/05/15/report-that-north-korea-executed-defence-chief-scrutinized

One thing seems to be fairly certain: North Korea and its system seems to be one of the most closed ones in the world, where not much reliable information comes out or in, which makes it easier for the media to report apparently bluntly false stories. Another thing that might play a bigger role here is the factor that russia and china are the neighbours of North Korea, if it would be more open to the west politically for example the western elites would probably have it easier to try to destabilize russia and china.

Here are two documentaries:



And then we have this thread for example:

North Korean documentary exposes Western propaganda darn good

So what's up?
 
So, Putin just visited North Korea and met Kim. You can take a look at news websites and X to see numerous clips. Looks like Kim went out of his way by greeting Putin in a very friendly way. Whole streets and buildings have been set up with various Putin portraits hanging everywhere. Seems like they had a great time together! In one video, we can see Putin and Kim driving a Russian made car and having fun and talking to each other. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find any reliable translations into English of any of those videos. Do you know some sources?

By the way, I don't know if you noticed, but as far as I know, North Korea and Kim seem to be pretty much the only country in the world (maybe besides Belarus) that openly and proactively supports Russia, not just with words, but with actions. Sending weapons for the Ukraine war is one such example and the other even bigger one is, that they, pretty much as soon as the Ukraine thing started, offered help by sending very substantial numbers of well experienced North Korean soldiers to Ukraine officially and openly. Ready to fight with the Russians in Ukraine against the enemy. Can you name any other countries that did anything even remotely comparable to that?

Also, it seems like they signed an agreement between each other now, that says that if one country is attacked the other will jump in to help the other. Again my question, can you name any other country in the world that is doing something even remotely comparable to that (besides Belarus maybe)?
 
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Cosmos said:
So, Putin just visited North Korea and met Kim. You can take a look at news websites and X to see numerous clips. Looks like Kim went out of his way by greeting Putin in a very friendly way. Whole streets and buildings have been set up with various Putin portraits hanging everywhere. Seems like they had a great time together! In one video, we can see Putin and Kim driving a Russian made car and having fun and talking to each other. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find any reliable translations into English of any of those videos. Do you know some sources?

By the way, I don't know if you noticed, but as far as I know, North Korea and Kim seem to be pretty much the only country in the world (maybe besides Belarus) that openly and proactively supports Russia, not just with words, but with actions. Sending weapons for the Ukraine war is one such example and the other even bigger one is, that they, pretty much as soon as the Ukraine thing started, offered help by sending very substantial numbers of well experienced North Korean soldiers to Ukraine officially and openly. Ready to fight with the Russians in Ukraine against the enemy. Can you name any other countries that did anything even remotely comparable to that?

Also, it seems like they signed an agreement between each other now, that says that if one country is attacked the other will jump in to help the other. Again my question, can you name any other country in the world that is doing something even remotely comparable to that (besides Belarus maybe)?
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I'll go through the points.
About the videos. You can't understand anything even in Russian on the videos that I've seen, so don't worry too much.

Regarding North Korea as the "one and only". In fact, all countries are "one and only" both in terms of their own and international position and in terms of formal agreements. In the sense of formal agreements, there is a Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO), all members of which are bound by similar obligations, and precisely because there are formal obligations, there is no need to do what you are talking about.

The situation in this regard with North Korea is somewhat different. The USSR had an agreement on friendship and mutual assistance with the DPRK from 1961. This agreement has ended its validity. The current, just signed agreement is positioned as a continuation of that agreement from 61 year and almost copies it. This is stated by Putin.

Twice you mention of North Korea as the only country supporting Russia may indicate some kind of isolation of Russia. Maybe these are my fantasies about your position, but if so, then I would advise you to look at it a little more broadly. For example, the steadily expanding BRICS or the just-held "Summit in Switzerland" on the Ukrainian problem, which, in my opinion, divided the world almost equally in half in terms of support the West and support Russia. By the way, Putin signed an agreement in Vietnam today, one of the points of which is not the entry of the contracting parties into blocs directed against the other side. This is a clear reaction to the US attempts to put together something like NATO in Asia.

Я пройдусь по пунктам.
По Поводу видеороликов. На тех роликах, которые я видел, и по русски ничего не поймешь, так что сильно не расстраивайтесь.

По поводу Северной Кореи, как единственной и неповторимой. На самом деле все страны "единственные и неповторимые" и в смысле собственного и международного положения и в смысле формальных договоренностей. Вот в смысле формальных договоренностей существует Организация Договора о Коллективной Безопасности (ОДКБ), все члены которой связаны подобными обязательствами и именно потому, что есть формальные обязанности, то нет необходимости делать то, о чем вы говорите.

Ситуация в этом плане с Северной Кореей несколько другая. СССР имел договор о дружбе и взаимопомощи с КНДР от 1961 года. Этот договор закончил свое действие. Нынешний, только что подписанный договор позиционируется как продолжение того договора 61 года и почти что копирует его. Об этом заявляет Путин.

Дважды ваше упоминание о Северной Корее, как о единственной стране, поддерживающей Россию, может говорить о некой изоляции России. Может это мои фантазии на счет вашей позиции, но если это так, то я бы посоветовал посмотреть на это несколько шире. Например, уверенно расширяющийся БРИКС или только что состоявшийся "Саммит в Швейцарии" по Украинской проблеме, который на мой взгляд поделил мир почти поровну пополам в смысле поддержки Запада и поддержки России. Кстати, Путин сегодня подписал во Вьетнаме соглашение, одним из пунктов которого является не вступление договаривающихся сторон в блоки, направленные против другой стороны. Это явная реакция на попытки США сколотить что то вроде НАТО в Азии.
 
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Twice you mention of North Korea as the only country supporting Russia may indicate some kind of isolation of Russia. Maybe these are my fantasies about your position, but if so, then I would advise you to look at it a little more broadly. For example, the steadily expanding BRICS or the just-held "Summit in Switzerland" on the Ukrainian problem, which, in my opinion, divided the world almost equally in half in terms of support the West and support Russia. By the way, Putin signed an agreement in Vietnam today, one of the points of which is not the entry of the contracting parties into blocs directed against the other side. This is a clear reaction to the US attempts to put together something like NATO in Asia.
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"Strategic tour": Russia is preparing ground to establish military alliance against NATO in Asia.
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“We see what’s happening in Asia, right? A block system is being put together… NATO is already moving there as if to a permanent place of residence. This, of course, poses a threat to all countries in the region, including the Russian Federation. We are obliged to respond to this and we will do so,” he insisted.
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What I like, it's that Putin's visit to North Korea has brought new light into its past, present and possible future.

From Putin's article:

www.sott.net

Russia and the DPRK: Traditions of Friendship and Cooperation Through the Years

Comment: This article was published in the North Korean Rodong Sinmun newspaper. On the eve of my state visit to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, I would like to address the Korean and foreign audience of the Rodong Sinmun newspaper to...
www.sott.net www.sott.net

We are pleased to note that our Korean friends - despite the years-long economic pressure, provocations, blackmailing and military threats on the part of the United States - are still effectively defending their interests. We see the force, dignity and courage with which the people of the DPRK fight for their freedom, sovereignty and national traditions, achieving tremendous results and genuine breakthroughs in strengthening their country in terms of defence, technology, science and industry. At the same time, the country's leadership and its head, Comrade Kim Jong Un, have repeatedly expressed their intention to resolve all the existing differences by peaceful means. But Washington, refusing to implement previous agreements, keeps setting new, increasingly harsh and obviously unacceptable requirements.
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Imagine a country that has resisted from start to finish US conquest, wars, dominance, you name it. How would it look like? I think most people can't imagine such a world. Notice how this thread was open in "Our Orwellian World" because that's the first thing that comes to mind when thinking about North Korea. The culture is so foreign for most Westerns that it's typically brought up as a stereotype or a joke... "Oh, at least we're not like North Korea".

My grandfather was a hero of the Korean War, and he was born and raised in the Soviet Union. By the end of the War, he was promoted to the rank of General Mayor of the DPRK army. I know a bit of that side of history, and it never ceases to amaze me. It's a good example of what a partnership between Chinese, Russians and North Koreans can achieve. Granted, not all was rosy between them throughout history. Still, Putin's article above is really the gist of it.

Here's a tweet that made me chuckle, I guess most people don't know what to make of it:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1803944766838555034

And just revising the figures makes me shudder. On June 27, 2003, an International War Crimes Tribunal in New York unanimously found the U.S. government and military guilty of 19 counts of war crimes committed against Korea from 1945 until 2001. Just from June 25, 1950, until July 27, 1953, 4.6 million Koreans perished, according to conservative Western estimates, including 3 million civilians in the north and 500,000 civilians in the south.

I think just reviving the memories of how Russians helped North Korea back then, doesn't make them hesitate to help them back nowadays within the context of Ukraine. Perhaps it's an example of the kind of aid a truly free country from US politiks can provide to the Russians nowadays.
 
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