Why don't they just kill us?

[Nathan]

I have a question that has been on my mind for years now since I began reading the Cassiopaean material.

The question is, quite simply, "Why don't they just kill us?"

If, not far in the future, we grow from simply a thorn in the side of the matrix control system to a considerable threat for said system, would the Lizzies not travel back and take the key players out? Sure, there are programs in place and a plethora of mechanisms that make our progress painfully difficult, but if we survived it all, what would stop a Lizzie from materialising before you and simply killing you(r body)?

Sure, they would rather place barriers and continue to feed off of us, but if we as a group become such a threat, wouldn't there be a backup plan ... if all else fails, kill 'em? In all honestly, what is stopping them from doing so?

 

[Cricket]

We as a group are not a threat. Perhaps only very few humans have been a real threat.
We as a group could be a threat: That is precisely what is being avoided, by making us feel "simply a thorn on the side of the matrix", unimportant, replaceable, useless... Shure, why they don't just kill such a minimal beings like us?
The key players have been effectivelly eliminated since millenia ago. We as a group have not survived it all: We do not know what precisely is that "all" and our "normal" state of being is, actually, that of survivour -always at the edge of chaos, at the edge of extintion, at the edge of angerness, at the edge of hunger, at the edge of love, at the edge of life...
If they were to kill us, what would they eat then?
I feel there is a problematic under this situation: Behind getting to feel "thankful" because they just do not seem to have decided yet to come-up and eliminate us all (a la Strieber), and I am not saying this is what you are expressing or feeling, Nathan; behind realizing "yee! they have not killed us all as yet as for today!", and behind getting a comprehension for why that has not happened yet (it has not happened here), I think there is this meta-dialectic of the surrender of the soul.
The surrender of the soul.... as a group; by the group.
And the back-up plan is not to "kill them" if they as a group were to, eventually, rise against the lords of entropy.
The back-up plan is to... feed them with crap. The back-up plan is to bit by bit reduce the quality of that crap we have taken as "love" (and other delicatessens as the such) from them.
That is effective and a "fantastic manouver from the point of view of the predator".
"Why they don't just kill us?": They have.
They have killed the capacity of the group to awake, to reach individualization, to live in full, to be the "directors" of this earth, as Gudjieff puts it.
They have given us their minds.
This is why the solution is individual: Most happen in a one-by-one basis. How dramatic is that?!?
Have they killed (nulified, slaved, conquered) you, Nathan? Let me share this with you: They have nulified me. And I am fighting to dye to that and emerge to my re-birth.
That is the answer.

 

[j0da]

As Cricket reasonably stated, they have killed us as a group, deprived of power, sovereignity and left dwelling on the playing field, alone, lost and crawling in the mud. We raise our heads on individual basis hoping to become ourselves again, but they are on everlasting guard.

Once we decided to stand up, we cartainly became of interest to different "parties". And they tried to kill us again. When you review your life, what do you see, Nathan? How many times your life, your sanity, your health was at peril? How many times you have almost died? When you notice all those portals of attack present in your past, you know that they have tried.
Sometimes you saved yourself by your decisions. On other occasions, the universe saved you. There is reason for that and 4D STS do not see that reason. But..they are restless, so keep your eyes open.

From another point of view - they play extremely sick game, but still, it's a game. You don't kill opposing team, because then you don't have a game.
They like playing, even it has nothing to do with the fair play.
Universe is a huge playing field. Some rules can be bent, but some can not.

 

[Cricket]

Yet, all is not lost.
There IS a chance.
Push! Push!

I will persist until I succeed.
In the Orient young bulls are tested for the fight arena in a certain manner. Each is brought to the ring and allowed to attack a picador who pricks them with a lance. The bravery of each bull is then rated with care according to the number of times he demonstrates his willingness to charge in spite of the sting of the blade. Henceforth will I recognize that each day I am tested by life in like manner. If I persist, if I continue to try, if I continue to charge forward, I will succeed.
I will persist until I succeed.
I was not delivered unto this world in defeat, nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure is not my destiny.
I will persist until I succeed.
The prizes of life are at the end of each journey, not near the beginning; and it is not given to me to know how many steps are necessary in order to reach my goal. Failure I may still encounter at the thousandth step, yet success hides behind the next bend in the road. Never will I know how close it lies unless I turn the corner.
Always will I take another step. If that is of no avail I will take another, and yet another. In truth, one step at a time is not too difficult.
I will persist until I succeed.
Henceforth, I will consider each day's effort as but one blow of my blade against a mighty oak. The first blow may cause not a tremor in the wood, nor the second, nor the third. Each blow, of itself, may be trifling, and seem of no consequence. Yet from childish swipes the oak will eventually tumble. So it will be with my efforts of today.
I will be liken to the rain drop which washes away the mountain; the ant who devours a tiger; the star which brightens the earth; the slave who builds a pyramid. I will build my castle one brick at a time for I know that small attempts, repeated, will complete any undertaking.
I will persist until I succeed.
I will never consider defeat and I will remove from my vocabulary such words and phrases as quit, cannot, unable, impossible, out of the question, improbable, failure, unworkable, hopeless, and retreat; for they are the words of fools. I will avoid despair but if this disease of the mind should infect me then I will work on in despair. I will toil and I will endure. I will ignore the obstacles at my feet and keep mine eyes on the goals above my head, for I know that where dry desert ends, green grass grows.
I will persist until I succeed.
I will remember the ancient law of averages and I will bend it to my good. I will persist with knowledge that each failure to sell will increase my chance for success at the next attempt. Each nay I hear will bring me closer to the sound of yea. Each frown I meet only prepares me for the smile to come. Each misfortune I encounter will carry in it the seed of tomorrow's good luck. I must have the night to appreciate the day. I must fail often to succeed only once.
I will persist until I succeed.
I will try, and try, and try again. Each obstacle I will consider as a mere detour to my goal and a challenge to my profession. I will persist and develop my skills as the mariner develops his, by learning to ride out the wrath of each storm.
I will persist until I succeed.
Henceforth, I will learn and apply another secret of those who excel in my work. When each day is ended, not regarding whether it has been a success or a failure, I will attempt to achieve one more sale. When my thoughts beckon my tired body homeward I will resist the temptation to depart. I will try again. I will make one more attempt to close with victory, and if that fails I will make another. Never will I allow any day to end with a failure. Thus will I plant the seed of tomorrow's success and gain an insurmountable advantage over those who cease their labor at a prescribed time. When others cease their struggle, then mine will begin, and my harvest will be full.
I will persist until I succeed.
Nor will I allow yesterday's success to lull me into today's complacency, for this is the great foundation of failure. I will forget the happenings of the day that is gone, whether they were good or bad, and greet the new sun with confidence that this will be the best day of my life.
So long as there is breath in me, that long will I persist. For now I know one of the greatest principles of success; if I persist long enough I will win.
I will persist.
I will win.

That was Ark's Grace.

 

[Novelis]

I've often thought about this as well, and I agree with J0da, looking back over my life there seems to have been attack after attack, in fact, now that I've been working towards changing myself for a while, I can say that when I first started, my mental state was in a critical condition, I was reduced by the matrix into a quivering mess of a person. Thinking about it, some attacks were truly "below the belt". They were cruel, cunning and extremely sick, but that's just "damage control" for them, and a better game.

Looking over history humans have always had glimmers of truth, times when parts of societies started to understand the condition of this world through various "ways", each of those were thwarted. Information that held the essence of how to escape were all distorted or destroyed one way or another, usually by using religion as an excuse to slaughter the truth seekers. Just to name a few examples: During the Cultural Revolution in China, thousands of knowledgeable masters of medical, scholarly and martial arts were murdered. The information we have now are mere scraps of what used to be. The Samurai, an embodiment of thousands of year's worth of knowledge were similarly slaughtered. Look at the aboriginal cultures that used to exist around the world, they knew so much that could be of use today, but again, they were decimated.

The Lizzies have really tried, and from the perspective of a predator, they deserve a pat on the back.

 

[j0da]

I will persist until I succeed.

Amazing, that was exactly the same text I thought about when replying to Nathan's question!

The force is strong within this forum indeed :D

 

[Peam]

The question is, quite simply, "Why don't they just kill us?"

Maybe they don't just appear in front of people they consider a threat and kill them is because it might draw too much attention, ie how are all these deaths happening with no clue as to who's doing the killings and no apparent motive. It could even lead to more people asking questions and waking up than already are.

If, not far in the future, we grow from simply a thorn in the side of the matrix control system to a considerable threat for said system, would the Lizzies not travel back and take the key players out?

Maybe they don't do it because if they did go into the past and take them out what would stop the soul reincarnating again in a similar time slot, say in a different body, and continue to grow into the thorn that they would have done if the lizzies hadn't taken them out. It seems to me that if the lizzies kept going back in time to the same 'thorn' over and over again it would put THEM in a 'time loop' and be inefective and a waste of their energy.

Sure, they would rather place barriers and continue to feed off of us, but if we as a group become such a threat, wouldn't there be a backup plan ... if all else fails, kill 'em? In all honestly, what is stopping them from doing so?

Probably nothing. That could be one of their plans in the future, round em up so to speak. But what's to stop anyone being wiped off by an asteroid or other things either?

 

[Nathan]

Maybe they don't just appear in front of people they consider a threat and kill them is because it might draw too much attention, ie how are all these deaths happening with no clue as to who's doing the killings and no apparent motive. It could even lead to more people asking questions and waking up than already are.

So perhaps killing by other means may be a last resort? A fast-killing cancer, a sudden heart attack, etc.

... would the Lizzies not travel back and take the key players out?

Maybe they don't do it because if they did go into the past and take them out what would stop the soul reincarnating again in a similar time slot, say in a different body, and continue to grow into the thorn that they would have done if the lizzies hadn't taken them out. It seems to me that if the lizzies kept going back in time to the same 'thorn' over and over again it would put THEM in a 'time loop' and be inefective and a waste of their energy.

The possibility of a soul incarnating again in a similar time slot in a different body ... do you mean as in the same soul inhabiting two bodies simultaneously - completely separate life times unaware of each other? It boggles the mind to think that such a thing is possible.

Also, upon further thought, perhaps the Lizzies would prefer to keep particular people alive to serve a purpose? Ark of the Covenant anyone?

 

[Johnno]

Try this:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/mouravieff1.htm

We are also reminded of Gurdjieff's remarks about the "mechanical force" having promoters and adherents at very high levels who act under its powerful influences. We suggest that both are 4 and 5 D STS beings.

...Once the first positive results are obtained those students will unmistakable run up against the active opposition of the law and the "game of the Crafty One."

It must be realized that in placing himself under the aegis of the Law of Exception, man goes against the General Law of Accident, which he is even called upon to overthrow, if only on the individual scale. He must no forget - under penalty of "surprise attack" - that salvation depends on victory over the Devil, which, as we have said, is the personalized moral aspect of the General Law of Accident. This is so even though this, being a cosmic law, is naturally a divine law.

One must not be afraid, as the Law of Exception is also a divine law.

In choosing it, man continues to serve the interest of the whole, but differently and in an incomparably more efficient manner.

During his fight against the first law, he is subject to tests that often take the form of temptations. ...We are permitted to draw attention to the indirect nature of diabolical action.

If, aiming straight towards his goal, which is liberation and salvation, the seeker successfully overcomes the obstacles and by this shows proof of a strength that would permit him to defy the authority of the General Law, the latter will begin to act upon him indirectly, generally by the mediation of his near ones if they do not follow the same path: this action occurs on the moral plane, and often takes emotional forms appealing to his most noble, generous and disinterested sentiments: to his charity; his obligation; his pity. It impels him down blind alleys, insinuating that he will thus be returning to his duty, that by so doing he will go on walking in the right path, etc.

This will clarify the profound saying of Jesus that : "A man's worst enemies are those of his own household."

Let us repeat: esoteric work is by its nature a revolutionary work. The seeker seeks a change of state: to overcome Death and attain Salvation. This is the goal give to this work by the scriptures: "If ye live after the flesh, ye must die."

The man who lives passively under the first law, insensibly and without being aware of it - even as an excellent citizen - involves himself in "The broad way that leadeth to destruction; he who chooses the Law of Exception takes : "The narrow road that leadeth to life."

 

[Guest]

Sometimes the simplest questions are the most meaningful.

Let's look at it. "Why don't they just kill us?"

From this question we have two more: 1) Do they really WANT to just kill us? 2) CAN they just kill us?

I guess arguments can be made either way. With the first question, no matter how we answer it we assume that the Lizzies have the final say in anything. Really, if it all comes down to THEIR decision, then this Universe is nothing but Lizzies, victims and others who are impotent or not wanting to help.

And to really even ask the first question we need to be sure that the second question is answered always by a YES. The devil is in the details here, and the operative detail is the word JUST. "JUST" means that there are no restrictions to Lizzies killing us. Already, I am sure we are in agreement that Lizzies CAN kill or at least inspire others to do the killing. I do not know of one instance where a 4D entity directly killed a third (that is without an intermediary 3D, 2D or 1D influence).

Even if such events of direct killing can happen they are probably very rare. Looking at the first question, however, we can surmize that Lizzies WANT to JUST kill us, if US are all the people who do not willingly submit. They obviously do not want to do away with everyone, because they have to eat something. And any occultist knows that sacrifices must be willing to be effective. So if we are not willing (either consciously or because we are in denial of the truth), we are not good food, and hence expendable.

Of course the Lizzies would like us to THINK they can JUST kill us, because then we are nothing but a mouse to their cat, and will inevitably go down even if we go down fighting. If they want us to THINK this is so, it means they do not want us to fight back because they CANNOT just kill us.

Perhaps we can look at the basic dictum of the C's: Knowledge Protects. What is the point of this if they can just kill us? And why so much effort expended on disinformation if they can just kill us?

The real question I think we should be asking is WHY can't they just kill us, which is the same as asking HOW does knowledge protect? For Lizzies to kill they must forge a link either to us directly or to someone or something else that acts as their instrument. This link is of a transdimensional nature, and hence energetic in nature. It may be related to our vibration as well, so that if our vibration is one of knowledge (a force transcending the simple acquisition of information), the link cannot be forged.

We need to ask ourselves, just how much were those that fell victims vibrating knowledge? Even if they were, was there a hole in that energy field where a link could be forged? Where these people impeccable? Apparently, the more you vibrate to knowledge, the more effective you become, and the more effective you become the more attention you attract. So ultimately having a little knowledge, and not growing from there may be more dangerous than having no knowledge.

Even so, if they could just kill us even then, they would do so as we are in mid stride in our evolution to impeccability. So I would like to suggest that not only can they NOT just kill us, but the cannot as long as we are striving toward knowledge because our energy is constantly on the increase, and they cannot get a "fix" on it.

Sure the predator is still there, but growth means that it is constantly LOOSING ground not gaining it. I also believe that ignorance is bliss, and when we realize what is going on the shock makes it seem like we have lost ground. On the contrary, we have become aware of where we stand and so are now ready to move. It is when we despair and refuse to move that we become targets.

I think to increase knowledge, we have to understand knowledge, and understand just how it is that knowledge protects. And it is not something that can just be layed out because that understanding must be owned as part of the energy of knowledge that keeps the Lizzies at bay. Meditation and discussion oin these questions are good places to start IMO.

 

[Ruth]

I have a question that has been on my mind for years now since I began reading the Cassiopaean material.

The question is, quite simply, "Why don't they just kill us?"

Perhaps they can't be bothered or they don't need to (someone or something else will do it for them including the individual concerned either by deliberately putting themselves in danger or doing it themselves)

If, not far in the future, we grow from simply a thorn in the side of the matrix control system to a considerable threat for said system, would the Lizzies not travel back and take the key players out? Sure, there are programs in place and a plethora of mechanisms that make our progress painfully difficult, but if we survived it all, what would stop a Lizzie from materialising before you and simply killing you(r body)?

Sure, they would rather place barriers and continue to feed off of us, but if we as a group become such a threat, wouldn't there be a backup plan ... if all else fails, kill 'em? In all honestly, what is stopping them from doing so?

Their ability to 'see' is limited, so too must be their ability to totally control every outcome. That doesn't mean that they don't kill everybody that they see to be a serious threat (usually by getting 3D entities to do it for them). Perhaps they just cant 'see' all the 'threats'... And, of course, STS is lazy. They're not going to expend any energy if they can help it, so they keep us disempowered instead.

 

[anart]

Even so, if they could just kill us even then, they would do so as we are in mid stride in our evolution to impeccability. So I would like to suggest that not only can they NOT just kill us, but the cannot as long as we are striving toward knowledge because our energy is constantly on the increase, and they cannot get a "fix" on it.

It is also possible that Free Will comes into to play to some extent. This is, from what we understand, a Free Will Universe, and this may mean that the 'lizzies' are fairly limited in what they are 'allowed' to do to us, so to speak. Perhaps, they cannot just appear and kill us because of Free Will - but they can, and do, manipulate us into killing ourselves - they can place circumstances/people into our lives that drive us to dispair and beyond, or that influence us in ways that affect decisions we make, but the crux of the matter is that we are the ones who must make, or not make, those fatal choices. I could be way out in left field on this one, but it seems that if Free Will is a factor, than the importance of knowledge, and the utilization of knowledge, is even more glaring when it comes to protecting oneself.

 

[Peam]

Perhaps, they cannot just appear and kill us because of Free Will - but they can, and do, manipulate us into killing ourselves - they can place circumstances/people into our lives that drive us to dispair and beyond, or that influence us in ways that affect decisions we make, but the crux of the matter is that we are the ones who must make, or not make, those fatal choices.

Yes, and the reason might be because it's the soul that matters, not the body and the lizzies can't alter our soul or frv directly, but they can influence us to do it ourselves.

The possibility of a soul incarnating again in a similar time slot in a different body ... do you mean as in the same soul inhabiting two bodies simultaneously - completely separate life times unaware of each other? It boggles the mind to think that such a thing is possible

Yes, that's what I was thinking of. If there's no time and everything happens at once, then why couldn't it be possible? There's probably no way of knowing for sure though.
I think the C's mentioned we are all living in many alternate realities. In one session they said Laura was still Mrs Knight in one of them, so to speak. So I agree it's all mind boggling.

This brings to mind something I was thinking about. It might be too speculative to talk about really. But has anyone wondered that if we, or some aspect of our higher self, ARE experiencing different branching universes/timelines, then can 4d beings see all these branches, whereby 4d does not branch and is 'whole', or could 4d branch or exist in different realities in a similar way?

 

[John Chang]

I have a question that has been on my mind for years now since I began reading the Cassiopaean material.

The question is, quite simply, "Why don't they just kill us?"

If, not far in the future, we grow from simply a thorn in the side of the matrix control system to a considerable threat for said system, would the Lizzies not travel back and take the key players out? Sure, there are programs in place and a plethora of mechanisms that make our progress painfully difficult, but if we survived it all, what would stop a Lizzie from materialising before you and simply killing you(r body)?

Sure, they would rather place barriers and continue to feed off of us, but if we as a group become such a threat, wouldn't there be a backup plan ... if all else fails, kill 'em? In all honestly, what is stopping them from doing so?

As best I can gather, because they'd then run out of food. We're the cows, they're the ranchers and the dairy farmers. But they could keep us at an extremely low level of technology, and still have their food. That's the part I don't understand.

They could've killed Gutenberg, Kepler, Faraday, Edison, Einstein, etc, and we'd be stuck in the Middle Ages forever. Maybe that's where the good guys have stepped in and countered the bad guys?

Something more complex is going on, and we're not being told the complete story. Probably because we don't understand, or don't have enough context. Still, I'd like to try to understand, even if I fail.

 

[John Chang]

I have a question that has been on my mind for years now since I began reading the Cassiopaean material.

The question is, quite simply, "Why don't they just kill us?"

Perhaps they can't be bothered or they don't need to (someone or something else will do it for them including the individual concerned either by deliberately putting themselves in danger or doing it themselves)

If, not far in the future, we grow from simply a thorn in the side of the matrix control system to a considerable threat for said system, would the Lizzies not travel back and take the key players out? Sure, there are programs in place and a plethora of mechanisms that make our progress painfully difficult, but if we survived it all, what would stop a Lizzie from materialising before you and simply killing you(r body)?

Sure, they would rather place barriers and continue to feed off of us, but if we as a group become such a threat, wouldn't there be a backup plan ... if all else fails, kill 'em? In all honestly, what is stopping them from doing so?

Their ability to 'see' is limited, so too must be their ability to totally control every outcome. That doesn't mean that they don't kill everybody that they see to be a serious threat (usually by getting 3D entities to do it for them). Perhaps they just cant 'see' all the 'threats'... And, of course, STS is lazy. They're not going to expend any energy if they can help it, so they keep us disempowered instead.

Hmm, sort of like the weather. You push here or pull there, and the whole thing changes unpredictably. You can try to damp the oscillations of the whole system by taking energy out of it, but you can't really control the oscillations. And maybe even that sort of macroscopic control has consequences. I think I'm beginning to get at the "wishful thinking" the C's were mentioning.

Than again, maybe I'm just off target again.