Why is Adam grabbing his throat in the Auch Cathedral glass of Adam & Even

Yes, the change in skin tone on the panels is odd. Maybe someone did some prestidigitation?
 
wmu9 said:
BTW. Adam is clutching his throat in the carved choir statues at the Cathedral as well. And in the carving we don't see any apple in his hand.

See this page...
http://roadeveron.blogspot.com/2012/09/auch-cathedral-choir-carvings.html

In this one how beautiful and strong Eve is looking, and Adam it seems to me looks almost feminine, is gesture with his hand on his throat looks like he is protecting himself of the power of Eve but in a feminine way. The tail of the serpent is magnificent!
 
dant said:
anart said:
It's not a woman in the tree, it is a blonde man with the lower body of the serpent. Interesting, yes?

I had to download the image and blow it up - odd "hat" or is it blond hair? Really?!
and he looks older, winkled... Who is he, I wonder! And YES! Very interesting!!

It's a reptile working through a man, so perhaps the 'man' represents psychopaths being driven by 4D STS.

What I think is strange is that it the apple didn't have the same shocking effect for Eve as it did for Adam. Perhaps a message is the poison runs deeper in corrupting masculinity than the feminine?
 
Shane said:
Perhaps a message is the poison runs deeper in corrupting masculinity than the feminine?

Actually, the issues Laura writes of in Wave 3 are really interesting, particularly the things mentioned about the left and right hemispheres of the brain:

Sensate is derived from a Latin word, sentire, which means “to feel”. This suggests not merely physical sensations, but also emotions. The root of the Latin word is, curiously, the Indo-European root, sent, which means, “to cause to go, to find out, to discover”.

Q: (L) How was sensate experienced so that these beings had an idea that they could get more if they increased their physicality?

A: Not experienced, demonstrated.

Q: (L) Demonstrated how, by whom? Demonstrated in what way? Did they say, “Here, try this!” Or did they demonstrate by showing or doing?

A: Closer to the latter. More like: “You could have this.”

Q: (L) What seemed to be so desirable about this increased physicality when they said, “You can have this”?

A: Use your imagination!

Q: (L) Was there any understanding, or realization of any kind that increased physicality could be like Osiris lured into his own coffin by Set? That they would then slam the lid shut and nail him in?

A: Obviously, such understanding was lacking.

Q: (L) Sounds like a pretty naive bunch! Does the lack of this understanding reflect a lack of knowledge?

A: Of course. But more, it is desire getting in the way of …

Here we have another clue to the ways in which we can be manipulated: desire gets in the way of knowledge. But, we will come back to this.

Q: (L) Okay. The Fall occurred. It seems like, and some of the archaeological studies indicate, that for many thousands of years, there was a peaceful existence and a nice agrarian society where the goddess or female creative forces were worshipped. At least, this is what a lot of present-day books are proposing …

A: No. These events took place 309000 years ago, as you measure it. This is when the first prototype of what you call “modern man” was created. The controllers had the bodies ready; they just needed the right soul matrix to agree to “jump in”.

And this brings up a very interesting solution to particular problems in terms of the Reptilians being touted as the bringers of civilization and their association with the Goddess religions, promoted in the present time as being the peaceful partnership way of agricultural paradise. Apparently, that was not exactly the case.

If we remember the story of Cain and Abel, we find the original conflict between the shepherd and the agriculturist. Cain and Abel, being the two sons of Adam and Eve who have been cast out of Eden, merely symbolize the two main forms that the control system took in order to perpetuate conflict. Both ways contain within them implicit ownership of something, either cattle or land, and both suggest the use and manipulation of the earth for their own benefit, and to the detriment of the Great Mother. The only reason Abel was glorified by the Hebrews was because it was their way of life. But that leads to another whole line of investigation, so we will leave it for now.

Q: (L) So, prior to this time, this prior Edenic state …

A: Was more like 4th density.

Q: (L) But that implies that there was some level of physicality. Was there physicality in the sense of bodies that look like present-day humans?

A: Not quite.

Q: (L) Does this mean that the bodies we possibly would metamorphose into as fourth-density beings, assuming that one does, would also be too complex for us to understand? You are saying that this sort of fourth-density pre-Fall state, or third density aligned with fourth-density STO, in terms of the physical bodies, is too complex to understand. If going back to fourth density is anything like coming from fourth density, does that mean that what we would go back to is something that is still too complex to understand? This variability of physicality that you have described?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, was there any kind of worship of God, or religious activity in this pre-Fall state – this Edenic, semi-fourth-density state?

A: No need when one has a clue.

Q: (L) What I am trying to get at here, what I am trying to understand, is the transition from the goddess worship to the god worship; the change from the understanding of cyclical time as expressed in the feminine cycles, and as expressed as the goddess; to the concept of linear time, expressed as the masculine principle.

It seems to me that these were stages of inversion of concepts which gradually led to the ideas that have been imposed on us, and it seems that bringing these ideas to fruition is a project fourth-density STS beings have been working toward for millennia – the dominator experience which expresses as: “Believe in something outside yourself that will save you, otherwise you are damned because the world is going to end, and you are going to get judged.” That is the whole monotheistic concept I am trying to deal with here.

Okay, we had these guys; they fell from Eden, but they were still fairly close to the original concepts, in some terms. Once they jumped into the physical bodies, as you put it, what was their level of conceptualization regarding the universe? Did they still retain some understanding at that point?

A: Kind of like the understanding one has after severe head trauma, vis a vis your normal understanding in your current state.

Q: (L) So, they were traumatized; they may have had bits and pieces of ideas and memories, but they may also have lost a great deal altogether. They may have had big gaps. There may have even been a sort of “coma” state of mankind for many millennia. But, after they woke up, with the bits and pieces floating around in their heads, they may have begun to attempt to piece it all together. So, they started putting it all back together. What was the first thing they put together regarding the cosmos around them?

A: Sex.

Q: (L) What did they decide about sex? I mean, sex was there. They were having sex. Is that it? Or, did they understand the cosmos as sex?

A: More like the former. After all, that is what got you guys in this mess in the first place! Just imagine the sales job if you can: “Look how much fun this is! Want to try it?!? Oops, sorry, we forgot to tell you, you cannot go back!”

Q: (L) I really fail to understand – and I know it is a big issue that has been hinted at and alluded to, and outright claims have been made regarding sex in all religions and mythologies – but I fail to understand the mechanics of how this can be the engineering of a fall. What, precisely, are the mechanics of it? What energy is generated? How is it generated? What is the conceptualization of the misuse of this energy, or the use of the energy?

A: It is simply the introduction of the concept of self-gratification of a physical sort.

Q: (L) On many occasions you have said that the ideal thing is to have perfect balance of physicality and spirituality. Now, I don’t understand how it can be that gratification of a physical body can be the mechanics by which one is entrapped. Is it not gratifying to look at something beautiful? Is it wrong, sinful, or a form of a fall, to look at beauty, to hear something beautiful such as music, or to touch something that is sensually delightful such as a piece of silk or the skin of a loved one? These various things that the human being derives pleasure from very often elevate them to a spiritual state.

A: Possession is the key. In STS, you possess. If you move through the beautiful flowers, the silk, the skin of another, but do not seek to possess …

Q: (L) It seems to me that it is possible to experience all of these things, including sex, without the need or desire to possess, only to give. In which case, I still don’t understand how it can be a mechanism for a fall.

A: If it is desired, then the mechanism is not to give. Do you eat a piece of chocolate cake because it is good to give to the stomach? In STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because of the pleasant sensation which results.

Q: (L) Could it not be said that, if everything that exists is part of God, including the flesh, that if one gives to the flesh, without being attached to the giving, that it could be considered a giving to the all?

A: Explain the process.

Q: (L) For example: at one extreme there are some people who like to suffer, because they believe that the flesh is sinful. For centuries the monotheistic religions have made this big deal about sex and anything that might be considered pleasant or desirable, that it should be denied, and that a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering.

A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future reward. They desire to possess something in the end.

Q: (L) What I am saying is: if a person can avoid self aggrandizement in either direction, and to simply be, in the doing and being of who and what they are, in simplicity; to become involved in doing everything as a meditation, or as a consecration, whether they are walking down the street and being at one with the air, the sunshine, the birds and trees and other people; in this state of oneness, doesn’t that constitute a giving to the universe as giving oneself up as a channel for the universe to experience all these things?

A: Not if one is “feeling this oneness” rather than being it.

Q: (L) Well, if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the free will of others, is this a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just be, not want … just be?

A: Yes, but STS does not do that.

So, we see that the issue is not sex per se, or really anything in specific about the third-density environment so much as it is a certain generation of emotion via physical processes that have to do specifically with possession. What is it about desire to possess that brought about a Fall?

Well, let’s just have a look at some other ideas here:

Q: (L) What was the Fruit of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil that was supposedly eaten by Eve and then offered to Adam?

A: Knowledge restriction. Encoding. Eve is symbolic of Female energy.

Q: (L) What did it mean when it said Eve, or the female energy, ate of the fruit of the tree of knowledge. What act was this?

A: Consorted with wrong side.

Q: (L) What does consorted mean?

A: Lost some knowledge and power. Limitation. Conceptually limited.

Q: (L) I want you to know that this does not make a whole lot of sense.

A: Yes it does. Think carefully. Laura you are missing the obvious.

Q: (L) In what sense would the fruit of the tree of life be limiting?

A: Believing that one source contains all knowledge is contradicting reality.

Q: (F) If the concept was the eating of the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge provides all knowledge, then one is being deceived, because no one particular source can provide all knowledge. Therefore, when one believes in the deception, one has now trapped oneself within parameters. And, forevermore, the human race, will be poisoned by the very same problem which is reflected in several different ways: one is always seeking the truth through one pathway instead of seeking it through a myriad of pathways; and also believing in simplistic answers to very complex issues and questions.

Q: (L) Where was Eden?

A: Earth.

Q: (L) The entire Earth was Eden?

A: Yes.
Now, we are getting somewhere. “Believing that one source contains all knowledge is contradicting reality.” It is “conceptually limited”.

Over the years, many scientists have studied the effects of head and brain injuries. These studies were aimed at understanding the physiological and psychological effects and used a number of experiments to map the brain. The results have led to theories about two different modes of thinking or styles of thought, which are generally attributed to the left and right hemispheres of the brain.

In general, the left side of the brain controls the right side of the body, and the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body. According to the test results and the developing theory, the right brain is most often associated with direct sensual experience of the five sense organs as well as the sixth sense of intuitive thinking. Feelings are also associated with this side of the brain, and these feelings are often observed to be the result of the person’s sensation of the environment. This sensation of the environment can be the external world or the internal state of being. Also, we must note that the right brain, as the observer of the external and internal environment, only perceives now.

The left brain is associated with the process of conceptualization and imagination in its many forms, including the powers of symbolic imagination and those functions related to the symbols we know as language such as labeling, categorizing, following verbal rules and rules in general. The left hemisphere mode of operation is much like a computer screen on which the whole range of concepts of the mind are portrayed and manipulated in the mind’s eye. One of the main concepts we utilize is time as in time-future and time-past. Have a look at the list below to see how the different hemispheres seem to operate. (Right hemisphere characteristics are in italics.)

Left Hemisphere Consciousness / Right Hemisphere Consciousness

Conceptualization, imagination, dogma, time-future, time-past. / Sensing, perceiving directly via observation, empiricism, now (no time).

Theoretical imagination. / Physical connection.

Linear logic. / Nonlinear logic.

Ritual, habit, fixed roles, repetition, fixation. / Creativity, spontaneity.

Morality, judgment. / Compassion, acceptance.

Superstition derived from imagination; often misuses limited direct observation and experience. / Science based on collecting of data, direct observation; can create theories with proper use of theoretical imagination.

Asceticism, sense deprivation. / Celebration.

Theology: Confucianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Greco-Roman Religion, Judaism, Christianity, Islam. / Mysticism: Taoism, Tantrism, Yoga, the “Mystery Traditions,” Gnosticism, Alchemy.

Now, this is enormously important to grasp: religions, philosophies, beliefs in general, through which we view the world and by which we interact with the world also fall to one hemisphere or the other in terms of how they activate our consciousness. There are teachings that place emphasis on the sensual right brain, and there are teachings that place emphasis on the abstract, imaginative left brain. Belief systems organically reflect one or the other of the two kinds of human consciousness.

The sense-oriented traditions encourage direct interaction with the physical environment. This has been often corrupted to gala sensuality of physical pleasure. Nevertheless, the pure mystical traditions tend to identify spirituality with the Cosmos itself and urges its followers to seek their unity with God through the physical world.

On the other hand, concept bound theologies tend to forbid sensual experience and observation, relying instead on imagination to support certain beliefs. In this mode, spirituality is equated with conceptual constructs, images, symbols and words that must be pictured in the mind’s eye, or upheld in an abstract thought of imaginary belief so that the person is effectively attempting to impose an imaginary construct on reality rather than observing reality and allowing the observations to form the abstraction.

This is why the central issue in Christianity, to use just one example, is whether or not one believes in Jesus Christ. What one is being asked to do is to imaginatively support the church’s conception of Jesus: that he was the son of God, that he died for remission of sins, and so on.

Each theological construct has its own cast of characters and its own plot, and each one demands that the followers believe in these imaginations. But the point is: the various symbols themselves are less important than the fact that the common act of conceptualizing, or imagining and making real that is central to theologies, is the left hemisphere mode of thought.

Left hemisphere thought also tends to assign religious authority to different writings or permanent scriptures and words. It also has a hierarchy of clergymen and priests who are designated to administer or interpret those words.

The left hemisphere mode of consciousness is opposed to direct observation, scientific progress, and discovery. It focuses on ritual repetition of established ideas and traditions. The words of the scriptures and the traditions of the interpreters of these words are given more authority than the natural world itself. The Cassiopaeans have often commented on ritual.

Q: (L) What ritual do you want us to do?

A: None.

Q: (L) Does ritual enhance or prevent communication?

A: They constrict energy flow.

Q: (L) Are there any rituals that can be performed to provide protection for one against intrusion by the Lizzies?

A: Rituals are self-defeating. Ritual drains directly to Lizard beings. Why do you think organized religion is obsessed with rituals?

Pure universal knowledge includes everything, and if you establish a ritual, that means you are adhering to one line of thought, one mode of thinking, one idea structure, and excluding all others. As noted, mystic traditions identify spirit with the Cosmos itself. They have no sacred traditions or priesthood. The authority to discover God is suggested to be within the power of each individual and they are encouraged to make direct and personal observations.

Q: (L) Are there any technological means we can use [for protection]?

A: The only defense needed is knowledge. Knowledge defends you against every possible form of harm in existence. The more knowledge you have, the less fear you have, the less pain you have, the less stress you feel, the less anguish you feel, and the less danger you experience of any form or sort. Think of this very carefully now for this is very important: Where is there any limitation in the concept behind the word “knowledge”? Being that there is no limitation, what is the value of that word? Infinite. Can you conceive of how that one concept, that one meaning frees you from all limitation? Use your sixth sense to conceive of how the word, the term, the meaning of knowledge can provide with all that you could possibly ever need. If you think carefully you will begin to see glimpses of how this is true in its greatest possible form.

Q: (L) Does this include knowledge learned from books?

A: This includes all possible meanings of the concept of the word. Can you think of how it would be that simply with one term, this one word could carry so much meaning? … You can have glimpses of illumination and illumination comes from knowledge.

If you strive perpetually to gain and gather knowledge, you provide yourself with protection from every possible negative occurrence that could ever happen. Do you know why this is? The more knowledge you have, the more awareness you have as to how to protect yourself. Eventually this awareness becomes so powerful and so all encompassing that you do not even have to perform tasks or rituals, if you prefer, to protect yourself. The protection simply comes naturally with the awareness.

Knowledge has all substance. It goes to the core of all existence. […] It includes adding everything to one’s being that is desirable. And also, when you keep invoking the light, as you do, truly understand that the light is knowledge. That is the knowledge which is at the core of all existence. And being at the core of all existence it provides protection from every form of negativity in existence. Light is everything and everything is knowledge and knowledge is everything.

… If you simply have faith, no knowledge that you could possibly acquire could possibly be false because there is no such thing. Anyone or anything that tries to give you false knowledge, false information, will fail. The very material substance that the knowledge takes on, since it is at the root of all existence, will protect you from absorption of false information that is not knowledge. There is no need to fear the absorption of false information when you are simply openly seeking to acquire knowledge. And knowledge forms the protection – all the protection you could ever need.

Q: (L) There are an awful lot of people who are being open and trusting and having faith that are getting zapped and knocked on their rears.

A: No. That is simply your perception. What you are failing to perceive is that these people are not really gathering knowledge. These people are stuck at some point in their pathway to progress and they are undergoing a hidden manifestation of what is referred to in your terms as obsession. Obsession is not knowledge; obsession is stagnation. So, when one becomes obsessed, one actually closes off the absorption and the growth and the progress of soul development which comes with the gaining of true knowledge. For when one becomes obsessed one deteriorates the protection, therefore one is open to problems, to tragedies, to all sorts of difficulties. Therefore one experiences same.

This is why all major scientific progress has been associated with mysticism. What we call modern science was derived directly from the alchemists of the European Renaissance, such as Newton and Paracelsus who were part of the historical attitude of empirical scientific inquiry fostered by the earlier mystical traditions. Mircea Eliade writes:

Everywhere we find alchemy, it is always intimately related to a “mystical” tradition: in China with Taoism, in India with Yoga and Tantrism, in Hellenicism, and Gnosis in Egypt, in Islamic countries with hermetic and esoteric mystical schools, in the Western Middle Ages and Renaissance with Hermeticism, Christian and sectarian mysticism, and Cabala. (Eliade 1978)

It is not just science that is the child of mysticism, but creativity in general:

The great periods of art and culture are always connected with an erotic-mystical revival. (Daniélou 1992)

So how are we to interpret this seeming contradiction that a sensual experience led to the Fall, and yet the right hemisphere, which relates to sensual experience, seems to be the mode of consciousness that is concerned with gathering knowledge and seeing things as they are? How do we interpret the fact that the left hemisphere – patriarchal – dominator theologies point to this sexual fault repeatedly, which the Cassiopaeans have also confirmed, and then the Cassiopaeans then go on to say that this fault was the actual door for the imposition of the monotheistic left brain domination?
 
Wow, thanks Shane. I'm still digesting. I'll throw into the mix that there is an image of Cain killing Able (clubbing his head no less) in the bottom right of that full window pane (god and creation are above the main Adam and Even image, the aftermath of the fall are below in the bottom three panels).

From Laura's article... (bold added by me)
The Sibyls uttered their prophecies in a state of ecstasy, which the reader of The Secret History of the World will ultimately learn is related to the function of the ecstatic ascent or descent of the Shaman, originally a function of women exclusively - Sibyls.

Sibyls are usually tied to a PLACE, not an individual free to roam about, but a power emanating from a place. Here in the art of the cathedrals of the Middle Ages, Sibyls become more mobile observers, as are other biblical prophets. This is one of the tenets of Middle Age theology: that the coming of Christ was prophesied in ALL religions and true prophecies. So other icons from older religions pop up in Middle Age art as long as they are recognize and participate in the story of Christ. Even if they sloppily adopt old prophesies to their agenda.

I believe Adam is clutching his throat because he is losing his attachment to place and prophesy – it's going to women exclusively. For further thought, see the symbols in the Kaballah and the Tree of Life in relation to the throat. The boundary between the heart and head.

Another part of my interpretation: The Sybil is attendant at his death (in the death sculpture) standing beside Mary Magdalen because she is restoring the goddess feminine to all man who have undergone this alchemical transformation. Laura writes about this as well, but perhaps not in 100% agreement with my interpretation.

Keep in mind, the the Serpent is likely the blond-hair first wife of Adam -- Lilith. That is also a traditional depiction in Middle Age art.

If you look closely (You can it see in the much bigger image), there are red and golden apples -- that oddly look like they have the same nipple as Eve! Adam has a red apple, Eve has a golden apple. What that means I'm not sure. But Egyptian Alchemy would have some meaning here perhaps (two energies of male/female)

Here is a HUGE image of it...
_http://www.stanparryphotography.com/France-Fall-2010/Auch-Cathedral/14002170_NmNNzR#!i=1029878011&k=yqe8m&lb=1&s=O_

Are Adam and Eve eating TWO different kind of apples? Are they "falling" from grace in different ways?

Again, I'm am no where near as studied in this area as folks here. Plus, I've never been to Europe and seen any of this art in person.
 
Interesting topic and eloquent replies. :cool:

Me, I immediately thought of the thymus and dysthymia for a possible explanation. See here for more on both:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thymus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysthymia

Just a thought, fwiw. ;)
 
Just a thoughts. The red round central piece of the window reminds me of brain.
Could the Adam, standing on left symbolize left brain hemisphere(masculine energy), and Eve symbolize right brain hemisphere(feminine energy)?
 
Thank you very much Shane;

It has been a while since I read book three! I'd like to add that the snake's tail in the bronze looks like it ends, but the stained glass tail disappears over the hill in the background.

EDIT: I moved my question to another thread
 
What I think is strange is that it the apple didn't have the same shocking effect for Eve as it did for Adam. Perhaps a message is the poison runs deeper in corrupting masculinity than the feminine?



There is a beautiful Penobscot myth of the Creation, by Klose-Kom-beh.

Klose-Kom-beh, after preparing this earth for his red children whom he had in mind to create, in his wanderings over this part of the world met a woman bowed with the infirmities
of age. She was Nok-a-mi, the No-ko-mis of Hiawatha, the earthly mother and nourisher of animal life. She addressed Klose-Kom-beh: "Noo-sus [my grandson], I am ages old, yet
when the sun shone warmly on the dew of the rock, I assumed the form of a woman.

I will be your grandmother. I will keep your lodge, prepare the food, and comfort the children
which are to be of your kindred."

The following morning a youth appeared to Klose-Kom-beh.
It was Nar-sar-sis (my mother s brother).
He had the bloom and virgin perfection of nature, having been born of the warmth of the sun on the foam of the waters.
He had been wafted hither on the caressing winds of Heaven, and the great Voice had commanded him to go forth to seek his bride, who should be born of the bloom of the flowers.
The day after the coming of Nar-sar-sis there stood in his path a maiden of marvelous beauty. The soft hues of every living blossom were hers.
Her eyes were on the ground, as she approached Klose-Kom-beh, who gave her the name of Nee-gor-oose (mother of men).
Then Klose-Kom-beh gave the maid to Nar-sar-sis in marriage.

When he took her to himself she said: "I am love which I give to you, my husband, forever.
If you grant my wish, all the world will love me, even the beasts.
I am most gentle, as tenderly frail as the earth flowers from which I am born, yet I am of great power, and to the man who does not keep my love pure I bring exceeding sorrow and trouble.
The dew of morn and eve mingled in the perfume of an opening bud, and Love was born. Behold, I am the gift of Infinite Love."

Then Klose-Kom-beh called upon the Lightning Spirit to smite a tree to give them fire wherewith to prepare their food, which Nok-a-mi attended to, and it was Nok-a-mi who
showed them the edible nuts of the woods, the fruits and roots, and showed them the fountains where bubbled the Waters of Life, the same from which she had her own birth.

It was in this way the world of the red man began; and for many seasons, while Nar-sar-sis kept his love pure for Nee-gor-oose, their lives were filled with peace and contentment.
 
Hello to all, saddened for my bad English. I come to make a small contribution. There are two things in the question. It is obvious that Adam is held the throat to have eaten the fruit of the knowledge. But it wants the other thing in former old traditions tracks of which find themselves in the freemasonry. When the masons speak about a work they are held the throat. Because the knowledge has to reveal economy. Adam has the knowledge, not to be ashamed there he has to contain it.
 
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