Why is Putin silent on pre-Sochi bombings? - Recent bomb attacks in Russia

[Gawan]

There happened three bomb attacks in Russia very recently and some, some time back. And the question a question could be as stated in an article: "Why is Putin silent on pre-Sochi bombings?". What happened in the last days:

- Yesterday a bus bomb in Volgograd
- The day before in Volgograd at a trainstation
- and one from last week a car bomb in Pyatigorsk 300ks away from Sochi
- beside the bomb attack in October, as well in Volgograd

Russia looks like to be under lots of pressure and it may be that still Russia doesn't like to go in line with almost the rest of the world that is against Syria. Which brings to mind a recent sott comment:

Apart from the ridiculous claim that a "female suicide bomber" was involved rather than a plain old bomb in a bag, apparently the mainstream media has forgotten this:

"Bandar told Putin, "There are many common values ​​and goals that bring us together, most notably the fight against terrorism and extremism all over the world. Russia, the US, the EU and the Saudis agree on promoting and consolidating international peace and security. The terrorist threat is growing in light of the phenomena spawned by the Arab Spring. We have lost some regimes. And what we got in return were terrorist experiences, as evidenced by the experience of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and the extremist groups in Libya. ... As an example, I can give you a guarantee to protect the Winter Olympics in the city of Sochi on the Black Sea next year. The Chechen groups that threaten the security of the games are controlled by us"

In some weeks are the winter olympic games in Sochi. Also there seem to be other changes going on in Russia with the amnesty law: Releasing Pussy Riot, Khodorkovsky and the Greenpeace members, maybe to make nice with the public and for the games? And there was Snowden as well this year and he still is in Russia. In the end it may be just a (unfortunate) "game" by the puppemasters and to distract us and eventually trying to pull Putin on the same side. Also it was funny how fast the media did find the culprits even when the investigation was going on and blamed immediately "black widows".

 

[gdpetti]

I wonder how aware Putin is of this 'Why' himself? Or to what degree? Same for any of us, how much of it is 'me' vs 'I' etc? How much is PR, how much is tracking related? How much is giving the West too much of what they consider 'a good thing'? The West has those they've rallied for, actually mostly just a few months early, so that the trumpet sound can't be used to herald their release, which now forces the West to find other useful idiots to replace them with. Some serve multiple uses in stealing the Western thunder of reproach, which is just a political propaganda show anyway, and they now are left speechless and are seen in comparison to Putin, same as the Syrian chemical issue. It costs money to keep these idiots in jail, so early release serves a monetary concern as well as the PR one of the benevolent father figure...
Should we go all 'Caesar' on the question? Which leads to the recent 'terrorists' bombings in the Southern Caucasus region near Sochi... in which the House of Saud has been rather quiet. The lesson with Caesar would seem to imply that it's always best to forgive, but only when that forgiveness isn't seen as weakness, to which you are then responsible for cleaning up another mess created by that 'forgiveness' of those not worthy, nor seeking 'forgiveness'... or 'love' to use the Ra statement regarding the STSers. Even the Israeli's seem to be separating themselves from the House of Saud, and given the political environment in the region, perhaps Putin's lesson is pointed to a similar Caesarian lesson of when and how to act towards those from a 'lesser' house who think, perhaps, a wee bit too highly of themselves. Sometimes a parent is reluctant to spank an unruly child, and later regrets not doing so. IMO, this seems the situation Senor Putin is encountering and avoidance to catalyst seems not possible. Perhaps those in uniform in Arabia should be warned that the House seems unstable and standing in its shadows, not a safe place to remain located? If necessary, perhaps a more suitable and safe arrangement could be found for its inhabitants in Northern Siberia? Not a lot of 'terrorists' attacking that part of the world.

Otherwise, cleaning out the trash from the prisons seems a good idea, especially if it all ends up in your complaining neighbors yard.... be careful what you ask for... something many Houses seem to have forgotten and a lesson forgotten is a lesson in need of relearning.

Just my guess. Putin seems uncertain to some degree and unwilling to another... as the environment of his times is forcing his hand simultaneously in apparently different directions. It's still 3d sts and will be until the Fat Lady sings, and it's usually best to clean house beforehand, so that there's less crap for the wild winds of chance to catch hold of. Perhaps that is another reason of 'why'? The Caucasus is an old imperial issue, same in many countries, some, like France seemto be living in the memories of the past, Russia under Putin is much more careful in seeking their always beloved safety buffers, but Purgatory isn't known for such things, only dreams are. So Putin seems to be like a nervous child being pushed onstage for the performance so long prepared for... and only time will tell. The next step always starts with the one before it... and strategy is always key, along with intent, if truthful. One's nerves are always uneasy before the performance starts.... but sooner or later the choice need be made or it will be made by others for you. Know thyself.... how well does Putin really know himself? The usual issues of those with any 'power', position, influence, money etc are at play like temptations, distractions etc. The Grail Quest isn't it? Only his is being played out on the international public stage like a movie star, or singing star for all to see and learn alongside. Bigger stage, bigger lesson.

The Russian or Eastern tradition is rather telling in regards to preferred if not engrained and trained behavior response as not much every really changes, only here in the West have we crafted so many masks to hide the same traditions. The warrior as well as the king has a role to play... form to function. He is where he is, I would say, not by mistake. Let's see if he's studied his Caesar, hmm? Otherwise, as usual, he'll still be surrounded by the usual swords of destiny requiring attention. Catalyst is like that isn't it? It seems that he is perhaps waking up along the journey, but maybe I'm wrong about that... so hard to tell isn't it without long personal contact as the C's mentioned. Either way, this part in this play is his, by design and default of the other actors on stage. Not everyone can handle the glare of the lights... or the 'lux' as that song lyric goes. He seems to represent a very disruptive agent of chaos, another sign of the times.

That's my 2 bits.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Will be interesting to see the next steps that take Russia in the international politics field. Thanks for sharing, Gawan!

 

[Niall]

And the question a question could be as stated in an article: "Why is Putin silent on pre-Sochi bombings?".

Just wanted to say that that article was slimy, especially this part:

Putin has allowed the U.S. State Department to overtake him in condemning the Volgograd attacks and sending condolences to the victims' families. Apart from the president's customary lack of empathy...

Did you catch that? The implication being, 'Putin is a psychopath', but the US govt cares!



Indeed, Putin's reaction is in contrast to the American Way, where emotional guff spews forth from the Executive [think Obama's fake tears post-Sandy Hook] and the Corporate Media encourages people to engage their non-thinking centers by 'sending hopes and prayers'.

 

[Laura]

I wonder how aware Putin is of this 'Why' himself? Or to what degree?

I think Putin is QUITE aware on probably all aspects. He's one of the most intelligent and savvy world leaders alive today, if not THE most. What is going to be interesting is observing how he handles this. Saudis and others may think they have him backed into a corner, but I think the Russian Bear may fool them all.

 

[Gawan]

Putin has allowed the U.S. State Department to overtake him in condemning the Volgograd attacks and sending condolences to the victims' families. Apart from the president's customary lack of empathy...

Did you catch that? The implication being, 'Putin is a psychopath', but the US govt cares!

No I didn't and thanks for pointing out. Today he did also visit the victims for example in a hospital and placed some roses where the bus did explode.

And said also the following words (from the article):

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"No matter what motivated the criminals, there can be no justification for crimes against civilians, particularly against women and children,"

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"The vileness of the crime - or crimes - that were committed here, in Volgograd, needs no additional commentary," Putin said during the tightly-controlled visit.

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"We will confidently, fiercely and consistently continue the fight against terrorists until their complete annihilation," Putin told the nation in a New Year address televised from the far eastern city of Khabarovsk.

And still nobody claimed officially responsibility for those attacks yet.

 

[Laura]

{PUTIN SEZ}
"We will confidently, fiercely and consistently continue the fight against terrorists until their complete annihilation," Putin told the nation in a New Year address televised from the far eastern city of Khabarovsk.

I dunno... if it was me, I'd be a bit worried to hear Putin say something like that. I think he's feeling pretty hostile right now and a hostile ex-KGB guy is not who I would want as an opponent. Maybe the perps are too stupid to realize that?

 

[Cosmos]

And the question a question could be as stated in an article: "Why is Putin silent on pre-Sochi bombings?".

Just wanted to say that that article was slimy, especially this part:

Putin has allowed the U.S. State Department to overtake him in condemning the Volgograd attacks and sending condolences to the victims' families. Apart from the president's customary lack of empathy...

Did you catch that? The implication being, 'Putin is a psychopath', but the US govt cares!



Indeed, Putin's reaction is in contrast to the American Way, where emotional guff spews forth from the Executive [think Obama's fake tears post-Sandy Hook] and the Corporate Media encourages people to engage their non-thinking centers by 'sending hopes and prayers'.

I agree.

Those hypocritical parts in the article stood out for me as well. Putin seems to have a pretty good record in "slow reactions" to situations like that (which I think could tell us something about his supposedly levelheaded and careful approach in those things). I think it is in stark contrast to what almost every other leaders of the west are doing today.

Better a careful and levelheaded "slow reaction" then a fast and hypocritical, lying response, as we can see so often in politics nowadays.

And by the way, did you notice how Putin uses a translator, almost everytime when he is dealing with politicians and political negotiations with outside western parties?

For example, if Obama is telling him something in english he always waits for the russian translater, before he answers.
I think, from what I've seen, that Putin understands english pretty well in all ways, so my guess is that he could be using that as a tactic, for him to have more time to think of how he should respond. This gives him therefore almost the double amount of time to think and react to the things those other politicians from the west are proposing.

On another note, the news is going arround at the moment that Putin supposedly said this at his new years speech:

"I am certain that we will fiercely and consistently continue the fight against terrorists until their complete annihilation"

_http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/12/putin-vows-annihilate-terrorists-201312311775567629.html

Just wondering who he thinks those terrorsist really are? I'm guessing that he might know the answer...

 

[Stoneboss]

I wonder how aware Putin is of this 'Why' himself? Or to what degree?

I think Putin is QUITE aware on probably all aspects. He's one of the most intelligent and savvy world leaders alive today, if not THE most. What is going to be interesting is observing how he handles this. Saudis and others may think they have him backed into a corner, but I think the Russian Bear may fool them all.

After reading Laura's comment about Putin, I thought of what the C's said in the session on 16 July 2007:

Q: (L) He can work on the Signs page. (Andromeda) Good idea! (A) I want to know what is the future of the present growing tension between the US and Putin?

A: Most of it is show, but there is also the fact that Putin is a smart man who is leading the tyrant into a trap.

 

[Possibility of Being]

And by the way, did you notice how Putin uses a translator, almost everytime when he is dealing with politicians and political negotiations with outside western parties?

For example, if Obama is telling him something in english he always waits for the russian translater, before he answers.
I think, from what I've seen, that Putin understands english pretty well in all ways, so my guess is that he could be using that as a tactic, for him to have more time to think of how he should respond. This gives him therefore almost the double amount of time to think and react to the things those other politicians from the west are proposing.

That's one possible reason, there are apparently more:

... A third formula, using interpreters, is also very widely used, particularly in multilateral diplomacy or for negotiations at a very high political level - not only for reasons of equity, but because politicians and statesmen often do not speak foreign languages. ... n written diplomatic communication is usually explicitly determined (most often by bilateral agreement). Generally speaking, it is based upon one of the fundamental principles of contemporary international law - the principle of sovereign equality of states.

Full article, quite interesting:
_http://www.diplomacy.edu/books/language_and_diplomacy/texts/pdf/nick.PDF

 

[Yozilla]

I think Putin is QUITE aware on probably all aspects. He's one of the most intelligent and savvy world leaders alive today, if not THE most. What is going to be interesting is observing how he handles this. Saudis and others may think they have him backed into a corner, but I think the Russian Bear may fool them all.

I agree - he knows all cards at table and regarding this, maybe he didn't want to react immediately so "people" would suspect that he knew something like this will happen. If so, public could consider him as responsible for not stopping it in advance - which is almost impossible... I think that Saudis made a major mistake threatening Sochi, trying to bluff... They made themselves recognized as possible perpetrators and that is such a blatant omission and Putin could be aware of that... Like i posted on SOTT:

It seems to me that "somebody" wants Russia to overreact... It was "known for some time that Bashar Bush threatened Putin about possible terrorist actions in Sochi - preconditioning of public done - so "everybody knows that Saudis would do that... If there is a deeper layer of organization (PTB) which really plan and convey such misdoings and "allow "actors like Israel and SA to take a credit for those horrors - as that fits in their evildoers profile - would it be possible that such covert org would commit false flag actions without real "approval" of evil actors?

A: Most of it is show, but there is also the fact that Putin is a smart man who is leading the tyrant into a trap.

All is played for drama, for audience - even recent Russian scores in diplomacy seem staged to me. Russian bear is as bad as US grizzly - some nuances of same evil. Maybe this could be better viewed in the context of possible Power(s to be) shifting East... Saudis aren't a major tyrants - they only have some oil and belief/intent of being privy to devil. And when you are close to devil you get burned - at least...

 

[SeekinTruth]

My impression so far (and I could be wrong) of observing Putin's Russia and the Armenian ruling party's very close ties in pretty much all sectors of society with it, is that they have a circle of VERY intelligent and capable people around the upper levels of their governments (among the exact opposite in all government bureaucracies, with which they have to deal and neutralize their effects, as well). They also have all sorts of agents and enemies setting "landmines" at every turn. So far, they've always been at least one step ahead of these.

Both Russian after Putin came to power and Armenia after the current ruling party came to power (1998, but the circle of the current president, who's into the first year of his second 5 year term, has taken to whole other level) have brought about some unimaginable improvements to their people and countries. These are two of the very few places I'm aware of where a look at the last 15 to 20 years shows a progress from extremely bad states of society to an accelerating improvement and a more or less normal, livable situation from the ashes of their recently past disasters. Both Putin and Armenia's president have VERY high support from their people because of how much they have improved their lives. All politics are dirty and murky, that's a given. But the ONLY way such vast improvement in people's lives that can be brought about in such a short time from absolute desperate situations to living normal lives, against all odds and great powerful opposition, is if these leaders and their trusted circle had the political will and the needed great intelligence to bring these results about.

There's no other way for a country to go from the shambles to the societal improvements seen in these two countries. If just left to itself, or fumbled with dumb moves, it would either stay the same or get worse. It would take wise, consistent, strategic moves with these results in mind to have any chance of realizing the results these leaders have brought. Both are very cunning. The Armenian President, Serge Sarkisian is a Grand Master in Chess and also president of the national chess association.

He is of a different caliber than most of the politicians we are used to seeing. If given the chance, these people would have done even more for their countries (without out the constant obstacles and sabotage that is thrown at them), it seems. The fact remains that in Russia and Armenia people's lives were brought from very desperate, barely surviving situations, to lives that have continued to improve, surpassing just about every standard of the "western democracies." Again, against all odds. It's much easier and faster to destroy than it is to build. So all this says something about their intentions and competence to me. FWIW.

 

[Novus ordo seclorum]

This were a false flag attacks aimed at similar goals as were after 9/11. Tighter controls, something like patriotic act in Russia.

 

[Eboard10]

This were a false flag attacks aimed at similar goals as were after 9/11. Tighter controls, something like patriotic act in Russia.

I honestly don't think that staging terrorist attacks 6 weeks before the Winter Olympics, a major event for Russia, would have been in the interest of the government as it will now discourage tourists from going.

I would be more inclined to think that this was the work of outside forces (and possibly also internal) trying to send Putin a message maybe in relation to the current situation in Syria and the Middle East.

Will be interesting to see how Putin is going to react to this and whether there will be any change in policy in the coming weeks or months which may reveal more about the motives and likely players behind the attacks.

 

[Gawan]

After reading Laura's comment about Putin, I thought of what the C's said in the session on 16 July 2007:

Q: (L) He can work on the Signs page. (Andromeda) Good idea! (A) I want to know what is the future of the present growing tension between the US and Putin?

A: Most of it is show, but there is also the fact that Putin is a smart man who is leading the tyrant into a trap.

There is also a newer session available and I quoted an older one too:

Session Date: September 7th 2013

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Q: (Ark) I think there is another reason. You start the war, and then you let some kinds of these rebels to have access to nuclear weapons. Can you imagine how much more Homeland Security you will be able to have then if you let all these "Islamist rebels" get these weapons? Give your enemy advanced weapons, pretend you are helping them to get rid of Assad, and then later, "Oh, we didn't know they are terrorists, but now they have access to these weapons! We have to close our borders! We have to control everything!" (Andromeda) It's creepy, some of these reports of Homeland Security making these huge orders of hollow point bullets, and building these compounds with fences... It looks like they're kind of getting ready for some revolution or something. (Perceval)I wondered if those reports are just...

A: The real war, as you know, is on normal people via proxies.

Q: (Kniall) Are the Russians really trying to stop this?

A: At the moment.

Q: (Perceval)So...

A: Putin is also not so heartless.

Q: (Perceval)What are the chances that if the Americans and French bomb Syria, that Putin and the Russian military would respond?

A: Very good unless things change.

Q: (Mr. Scott) Except things change every five minutes, so that doesn't mean much. (L) Yeah. (Perceval)Yeah, it's ongoing. (L) Okay, what are our last few questions? Belibaste? (Belibaste)We had an assumption that industrial plumes could be attractors for cometary discharges? Is this a valid assumption?

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Session Date: September 3rd 2008

[...]

(Ark) Is Putin a psychopath?

A: Now, now... That would be cheating!

Q: (L) I don't think he is. (S) I think he could still be evil, ya know, but of all the leaders I've ever heard or read about, he seems to say the most reasonable and truthful things. Which doesn't mean he isn't evil or hasn't done evil things, but in comparison to all the other ones... (L) When you're in that position, growing up in this world, how can you not be... But he's like the Diet Coke of Evil: Just one calorie. (Ark) When you want to show that you are not a psychopath, you have to say something completely different. (L) Well, Bush does it all the time, Bush is always saying those completely different things all the time too, but he doesn't have any action to back it up. I mean, he didn't do anything to break down the oligarchs in the US, and the US has plenty of them. (J) In the time that Putin has been in power, he hasn't really used his power... (L) In an evil way... (J) like Bush has, Putin hasn't invaded any other countries unilaterally, or...

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