Why Learn?

[nate]

How does "Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God"
And
If we are truly one at 7D then we are all "God" meaning we are interacting with our self.
But the question is Why?

becuase we get bored!!!!!! ;D

 

[Faith]

I allways say to myself: You have to know your tools before you can use them properly. Therefor you must learn. I want to use these tools to express what's in myself, whatever that might be.

Sometimes 'learning' feels like adventure: Don't matter what you are searching: true love, the holy grail, the lost ark or the hidden reason for your unbalance, when the adventurer enters the 'forest of no return' -- he must loose something before he can find something. And in every good adventure tale, the one who enters the jungle is not the same as the one who lefts it -- that's why it is called 'the forest of no return'. If nothing is learned, nothing is earned: there would be no character development and it would be quite a boring story, wouldn't it?

So I want to know myself just because I like the good old adventure tails. Ascend to Another density? That is what the legend says ;)

 

[hnd]

Hi, Omneity

First,I'd like to share some part of the article about lessons from the glossary:

...the school of Earth can be said to produce a mass commodity of experience, the 'food for the moon,' a sort of psychic nourishment for 4D STS. Producing food for the moon takes place through mechanical suffering and repeatedly visiting every pleasure or calamity offered by the planet. Thorough experience of this is not what causes one to assimilate the lesson. Indeed, we could say that repeated experiencing of the cycle rather proves that one has not learned the lesson.

I don't know anything about you,but I guess you must have an idea about the mechanical suffering and the repeating nature of events happening in our lives. One may be happy with this or not aware at all,but from my understanding this only shows that they are at a certain point on the learning cycle and may not be ready to ask certain questions. However, if this mechanical suffering and the thought of being a food for the moon or food for 4D STS is bothering one, s/he in a way makes plans to escape. The story below may give insights about the journey of learning.

In a lake somewhere, there lived three big fish. One of them was intelligent, another half-intelligent, and the third, stupid.

One day, some fishermen came to the lake with their nets and the three fish noticed them. The intelligent fish decided at once to leave, to make the long, difficult trip to the ocean. He thought, “I won’t consult with these two on this. They will only weaken my resolve, because they love this place so. They call it home. Their ignorance will keep them here.”

The wise fish saw the men and their nets and said, “I am leaving.” So the intelligent fish left and suffered greatly on its way, but finally made it to the edgeless safety of the sea.

Now about the half-intelligent fish thought, “My guide has gone, I ought to have gone with him, but I didn’t, and now I’ve lost my chance to escape. I wish I’d gone with him.”

Second fish mourns the absence of his guide for a while, and then thinks, “What can I do to save myself from these men and their nets? Perhaps if I pretend to be already dead!” I’ll belly up o n the surface and float like weeds float, just giving myself totally to the water. So he did that. He bobbed up and down, helpless, within arm’s reach of the fishermen.

“Look at this! The best and biggest fish is dead.” One of the men lifted him by the tail, spat on him, and threw him up on the group. He rolled over and over and slid secretly near the water and then, back in.

Meanwhile, the third fish, the dumb one, was agitatedly jumping about, trying to escape with his agility and cleverness. The net, of course, finally closed around him, and as he lay in the terrible frying-pan bed, he thought, “If I get out of this, I’ll never live again in the limits of a lake. Next time, the ocean! I’ll make the infinite my home.”

Source: The Essential Rumi, translated by Coleman Barks, 2004

And an addition to the story since it lacks something very important:

It is said that an intelligent person learns from his mistakes but a genius learns from those of others.

That's why we are here.

BTW,recently I've noticed that something is stopping me whenever I feel like sharing experiences about the Work,but I'm `Working` on it. Of couse, this may be a subject for another thread.

 

[Breton]

Hi, Omneity

First,I'd like to share some part of the article about lessons from the glossary:

...the school of Earth can be said to produce a mass commodity of experience, the 'food for the moon,' a sort of psychic nourishment for 4D STS. Producing food for the moon takes place through mechanical suffering and repeatedly visiting every pleasure or calamity offered by the planet. Thorough experience of this is not what causes one to assimilate the lesson. Indeed, we could say that repeated experiencing of the cycle rather proves that one has not learned the lesson.

I don't know anything about you,but I guess you must have an idea about the mechanical suffering and the repeating nature of events happening in our lives. One may be happy with this or not aware at all,but from my understanding this only shows that they are at a certain point on the learning cycle and may not be ready to ask certain questions. However, if this mechanical suffering and the thought of being a food for the moon or food for 4D STS is bothering one, s/he in a way makes plans to escape. The story below may give insights about the journey of learning.

In a lake somewhere, there lived three big fish. One of them was intelligent, another half-intelligent, and the third, stupid.

One day, some fishermen came to the lake with their nets and the three fish noticed them. The intelligent fish decided at once to leave, to make the long, difficult trip to the ocean. He thought, “I won’t consult with these two on this. They will only weaken my resolve, because they love this place so. They call it home. Their ignorance will keep them here.”

The wise fish saw the men and their nets and said, “I am leaving.” So the intelligent fish left and suffered greatly on its way, but finally made it to the edgeless safety of the sea.

Now about the half-intelligent fish thought, “My guide has gone, I ought to have gone with him, but I didn’t, and now I’ve lost my chance to escape. I wish I’d gone with him.”

Second fish mourns the absence of his guide for a while, and then thinks, “What can I do to save myself from these men and their nets? Perhaps if I pretend to be already dead!” I’ll belly up o n the surface and float like weeds float, just giving myself totally to the water. So he did that. He bobbed up and down, helpless, within arm’s reach of the fishermen.

“Look at this! The best and biggest fish is dead.” One of the men lifted him by the tail, spat on him, and threw him up on the group. He rolled over and over and slid secretly near the water and then, back in.

Meanwhile, the third fish, the dumb one, was agitatedly jumping about, trying to escape with his agility and cleverness. The net, of course, finally closed around him, and as he lay in the terrible frying-pan bed, he thought, “If I get out of this, I’ll never live again in the limits of a lake. Next time, the ocean! I’ll make the infinite my home.”

Source: The Essential Rumi, translated by Coleman Barks, 2004

And an addition to the story since it lacks something very important:

It is said that an intelligent person learns from his mistakes but a genius learns from those of others.

That's why we are here.

BTW,recently I've noticed that something is stopping me whenever I feel like sharing experiences about the Work,but I'm `Working` on it. Of couse, this may be a subject for another thread.

Great story! It makes a good point. we have all been the stupid fish at some time perhaps.

 

[Joe]

How does "Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God"
And
If we are truly one at 7D then we are all "God" meaning we are interacting with our self.
But the question is Why?

If "god" is all of creation, then any experiences that anything in existence has are a reflection of its interaction with "god".

An answer to the why of creation and life from the mainstream religions is that god (all of creation) "was a hidden treasure and loved to be known". Hence the creation of the world life etc so that god would be known. What is being said here is that you and everything else is a part of all creation, and through you own discovery of the truth about the universe etc you are helping god to be known. I suppose it's a prime directive that all things in existence possess - to strive for knowledge. It's inbuilt in us all. That's not to say that we are consciously aware of this drive, many are not, but that's the interesting thing; even if you are not aware that you are meant to be learning about reality, you still experience the lessons. Supposedly, through this process, you eventually start to wonder what the hell is going on with all these lessons and experiences, like, "is there some point to all of this?" At that point you start to wake up and begin the struggle to learn consciously, thereby fast-tracking the process a little.

I think what I'm saying here is that we are not sovereign independent beings (in any absolute sense) who can do whatever we like. We come with software pre-installed, and lots of bugs of course!

 

[Buddy]

How does "Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God"
And
If we are truly one at 7D then we are all "God" meaning we are interacting with our self.
But the question is Why?

Omneity, could you be a tad more specific about what doesn't make sense?

To me, the first statement expresses the fundamental reality of "objective justice". It's an objective fact on such a deep level (non-conceptual) that words aren't even needed to feel the truth of it.

The second question...are you asking "Why we are interacting with ourself" even while being One at 7D? If so, my thoughts are that such interaction is desirable to keep data and energy flows going...to obtain and/or possess a level of objective consciousness. In other words, if you were to 'hole up' like a hermit and not interact with the environment, you would have no consciousness of 'nature' and would have an unecessarily limited understanding of the greater context which is you (as part of the All).

Just my 2 cents, and I could be way off with this. :)

 

[Breton]

I suppose it's a prime directive that all things in existence possess - to strive for knowledge. It's inbuilt in us all. That's not to say that we are consciously aware of this drive, many are not, but that's the interesting thing; even if you are not aware that you are meant to be learning about reality, you still experience the lessons. Supposedly, through this process, you eventually start to wonder what the hell is going on with all these lessons and experiences, like, "is there some point to all of this?" At that point you start to wake up and begin the struggle to learn consciously, thereby fast-tracking the process a little.

I wonder if this may be a "simple understanding" of true existence in this paragraph?
I find it a particularly powerful thought. It has been rebounding around in my head lately.

 

[Andrew M.]

IF

All there is-is lessons.

AND

This is one infinite school. There is no other reason for anything to exist.

THEN
What is the point of learning these lessons?

To understand them in order to learn more - in order to Know, rather than wandering in a foggy dream of confusion, reaction and fear. In order to unveil all there is and, in that understanding, to Be; to live, increasingly free from prior constraints of perception that have defined this 'foggy dream'. With each new lesson, the constraints fall - until one Knows. That - I think - is freedom in the objective sense. Basically 'to live', as opposed to 'to exist'. fwiw.

I couldn't have said it much better myself. You always hear "it all comes down to you", usually out of context, but it applies here. You can be a foolish person lost in the woods, or you can be a woodsman who is at home in the forest, it is up to all of us to make this choice for ourselves and put forth the effort necessary to 'be where you want to be'. It all comes down to you to make your choice and it is important to be ready for it and aware of it. In my opinion it is -most- important that you understand your decisions before you make them.

Go with the flow, but don't fall asleep in the river or you may end up over the falls. You catch my drift?

 

[hnd]

quote from Breton:

Great story! It makes a good point. we have all been the stupid fish at some time perhaps.

I agree. The allegory used in it is strong and I think rather than describing three different beings, it describes three different attitudes that we may adopt at different times. One may act like the stupid fish when s/he forgets themselves,run programs and panic,for example; like the half-intelligent fish when one is calm but asleep or telling lies to soothe themselves and like the intelligent fish when one is consciously learning or consciously suffering. That's how I interpret the story,of course and I know I still fluctuate between the three, still, trying to be a genius fish : ) as much as possible. BTW, this album involves the story http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Fish_%28album%29. You may like it.