Why vegetarian mammals do not have fatty acid?

[Kisito]

a) I understood that the mitochondria would be much more effective with fatty acids (eg animal fat), and carbohydrates simple would fatigue, we would weaken and deteriorate our cells, causing cancer and neurological diseases (Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, anxiety, autism , schizophrenia ...)
While fatty acids would deploy more energy potential than manufacture the mitochondria, making us more energetic and protecting us from various diseases.
Also I wonder why vegetarians mammals do not need to consume fatty acids? Is it the fact that their body develops enough ketone or their mtDNA is better protected?
I am not a vegetarian and I love bacon, but I can not reconcile the fact that to live well he must killed, rather than being vegetarian as the horse or elephant?

b) I know that simple carbs tired, but I remember that in his youth, Gurdjieff told a Sufi, he ate only foods that are easy to chew and digest. The dervish replied that it was not good. But we had to accustom his body to digestive problems and chews. And our body will become stronger..
Does not it mean that all foods that weaken us, are likely to make us stronger and may cause genetic changes in the new generations?

Anyway today I start the ketogenic diet :)

 

[Iron]

Horses and other herbivores do eat fatty acids. They are just of a different composition (mainly polyinsaturated). Also, you have to take in account that these foods are so poor in nutrients that most of these animals have developed ways to cope with this fact. Many make second digestions, have cooperative bacteria ferment the food for them, coprophagy etc.

Our needs are far different mainly because of our big, fatty brains.

And, there is life in a plant, or a seed. A herbivore does not escape the fact that, in our reality life feeds from life. A vegetal is full of life, it does not make it dead matter just because it does not scream when its eaten.

The facts do not support your second argument. If anything, a high carb diet made us weaker due to chronic modern diseases.

 

[Renaissance]

Our needs are far different mainly because of our big, fatty brains.

I think this ties in with accepting that we (to include plants, herbivores, humans) all have different roles to play to keep the ship running and our role includes using our brains! And for this the brain really needs the proper fuel. Herbivores do some amazing work in converting the sun into meat and fat for humans (and other animals) and they are key in producing a rich ecology for microbes, worms, birds and other wildlife to thrive. We can't think we can replace the function of herbivores because our system simply doesn't work that way. And to minimize or want to change our role, denies the capabilities we need to engage in order to interact with the universe the way we should be. It's the whole circle of life thing, and if we opt out, we're opting out of life.

 

[Laura]

Vegetarian mammals also have VERY different digestive systems.

 

[United Gnosis]

Vegetarian mammals also have VERY different digestive systems.

Not to mention that, because of the low nutritional/caloric value of their food, the major part of a vegetarian mammal's time awake is spent either eating or foraging for food.

 

[Kisito]

Thank you for your answers, I need encouragement to my new diet

What bothered me a little is that I read a study that said that vegetarians live longer. Vegetarians Asian countries have greater longevity than Western countries. The West would develop more cardiovascular diseases due to the consumption of meat. Asian countries would live less long and Japan would develop the same Western diseases because of its mode similar to Western life. Maybe it just the high rate of carbohydrate in the Western and Japanese which increases mortality and increases disease. And Asian Indians have greater longevity, would not be due to their veganism (vegetarian), but their very low intake of carbohydrate and gluten. I don't remember where I saw this study.

 

[Carl]

Thank you for your answers, I need encouragement to my new diet

What bothered me a little is that I read a study that said that vegetarians live longer. Vegetarians Asian countries have greater longevity than Western countries. The West would develop more cardiovascular diseases due to the consumption of meat. Asian countries would live less long and Japan would develop the same Western diseases because of its mode similar to Western life. Maybe it just the high rate of carbohydrate in the Western and Japanese which increases mortality and increases disease. And Asian Indians have greater longevity, would not be due to their veganism (vegetarian), but their very low intake of carbohydrate and gluten. I don't remember where I saw this study.

What actually kills people is the standard American diet of total crap that has been, and is being, steadily exported around the world, along with the other major exports such as propaganda, weapons, domination, and our "culture". So as other countries gradually catch up with our exceptional Western way of life, they will suffer the same ills, and it won't be due to meat.

And I would say that a farmer living in the hills somewhere in Asia many decades ago - maybe before his country became a slave to the Western global system -, living a fairly stress-free life and eating a vegetarian diet, would probably be much healthier than somebody living in the West today, meat or no meat.

Also, there is rarely any distinction between CAFO "meat" and Real Meat, and such studies are notorious for putting a jar of 99¢ hotdogs and an organic, grass fed rib-eye steak in the same category.

 

[Laura]

Read: http://www.sott.net/article/213149-The-Truth-About-the-China-Study

and: http://www.sott.net/article/218541-Burying-The-Vegetarian-Hypothesis

 

[Nienna]

Thank you for your answers, I need encouragement to my new diet

What bothered me a little is that I read a study that said that vegetarians live longer. Vegetarians Asian countries have greater longevity than Western countries. The West would develop more cardiovascular diseases due to the consumption of meat. Asian countries would live less long and Japan would develop the same Western diseases because of its mode similar to Western life. Maybe it just the high rate of carbohydrate in the Western and Japanese which increases mortality and increases disease. And Asian Indians have greater longevity, would not be due to their veganism (vegetarian), but their very low intake of carbohydrate and gluten. I don't remember where I saw this study.

Have you read the Life Without Bread and the Ketogenic Diet threads? Have you read the recommended books on this; The Vegetarian Myth, Life Without Bread and Primal Body, Primal Mind? Or have you started this way of eating without gaining knowledge about it and understanding it? And, if so, why have you decided to change your diet?

There really is a reason that we tell people to not do something until you have the knowledge about it. :)

 

[lainey]

a)

Anyway today I start the ketogenic diet :)

I agree with the above suggestions of threads/books to read, to simply "start the ketogenic diet" today to me implies a sudden change of what you eat which can be dangerous. Please read the material suggested first and if it's still for you then ease yourself in slowly.

 

[Jacques]

Thank you for your answers, I need encouragement to my new diet

What bothered me a little is that I read a study that said that vegetarians live longer. Vegetarians Asian countries have greater longevity than Western countries. The West would develop more cardiovascular diseases due to the consumption of meat. Asian countries would live less long and Japan would develop the same Western diseases because of its mode similar to Western life. Maybe it just the high rate of carbohydrate in the Western and Japanese which increases mortality and increases disease. And Asian Indians have greater longevity, would not be due to their veganism (vegetarian), but their very low intake of carbohydrate and gluten. I don't remember where I saw this study.

I strongly recommend you to read the book "The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet" by Nina Teicholz

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1451624425/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i03?ie=UTF8&psc=1

She has gone through all those studies and demystify them. Most of them if not all were biased and badly done. They all have a target and were either funded by the big pharma or the soybeam industries or the olive oil industries or... You get the picture.

We have been lied for so many years in that field (and many other fields too) that it is a blessing to read that book and to discover what was hidden under those studies.

 

[Kisito]

Thank you for your answers, I need encouragement to my new diet

What bothered me a little is that I read a study that said that vegetarians live longer. Vegetarians Asian countries have greater longevity than Western countries. The West would develop more cardiovascular diseases due to the consumption of meat. Asian countries would live less long and Japan would develop the same Western diseases because of its mode similar to Western life. Maybe it just the high rate of carbohydrate in the Western and Japanese which increases mortality and increases disease. And Asian Indians have greater longevity, would not be due to their veganism (vegetarian), but their very low intake of carbohydrate and gluten. I don't remember where I saw this study.

Have you read the Life Without Bread and the Ketogenic Diet threads? Have you read the recommended books on this; The Vegetarian Myth, Life Without Bread and Primal Body, Primal Mind? Or have you started this way of eating without gaining knowledge about it and understanding it? And, if so, why have you decided to change your diet?

There really is a reason that we tell people to not do something until you have the knowledge about it. :)

Hi Nienna, I read excerpts on Sott and publications on the forum. But I do not know well about all these plans that seem still complex. I expect the recipe book of Gaby :) ... that will tell us what to eat, when and why :)

If I want to do this regime to stem the chronic fatigue. I tried a little to be vegetarian, I stopped because I love meat and smell .. Now I eat fruits and vegetables before meat, I reduce it sugar and gluten, I am still a bit tired, but this is perhaps due to my social status?

My main reason for making the regime is that of waking up and finally find the red pill.
It is true that it is wise to understand one thing before the practice, to avoid any risk, as said G. Laura can work day and night or write to us, but she can not think or understand our place To understand ... it takes energy, when energy is lacking there is a tendency to rush on the way, and just get lost or stumble.. Thank you for this wakeup call Nienna.

Thank you for your answers, I need encouragement to my new diet

What bothered me a little is that I read a study that said that vegetarians live longer. Vegetarians Asian countries have greater longevity than Western countries. The West would develop more cardiovascular diseases due to the consumption of meat. Asian countries would live less long and Japan would develop the same Western diseases because of its mode similar to Western life. Maybe it just the high rate of carbohydrate in the Western and Japanese which increases mortality and increases disease. And Asian Indians have greater longevity, would not be due to their veganism (vegetarian), but their very low intake of carbohydrate and gluten. I don't remember where I saw this study.

I strongly recommend you to read the book "The Big Fat Surprise: Why Butter, Meat and Cheese Belong in a Healthy Diet" by Nina Teicholz

http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/1451624425/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i03?ie=UTF8&psc=1

She has gone through all those studies and demystify them. Most of them if not all were biased and badly done. They all have a target and were either funded by the big pharma or the soybeam industries or the olive oil industries or... You get the picture.

We have been lied for so many years in that field (and many other fields too) that it is a blessing to read that book and to discover what was hidden under those studies.

Thank you Gandalff these comments and this book seems to arouse my curiosity and questions about interest lobby vegetarian.

 

[Keit]

Also I wonder why vegetarians mammals do not need to consume fatty acids? Is it the fact that their body develops enough ketone or their mtDNA is better protected?
I am not a vegetarian and I love bacon, but I can not reconcile the fact that to live well he must killed, rather than being vegetarian as the horse or elephant?

Well, Laura is right, vegetarian mammals, specifically cows, sheep, goats (and any other animals that have four stomachs) have very different digestive systems. There's the following:

_http://www.vetmed.vt.edu/education/curriculum/vm8054/Labs/Lab21/Lab21.htm

In monogastric animals, the stomach's functions are limited to temporary storage and preliminary mastication of the food into a liquid mass; little or no absorption of nutrients takes place. In ruminants, however, the stomach has an absorption function in addition to the usual functions of mastication and acidification. The evolutionary success of the ruminants as a group is based on the efficiency of their digestive system in extracting nutrition from low-quality food. The key to the ruminant digestive system's efficiency is the presence of symbiotic microorganisms in it, particularly in the forestomachs. These inhabitants and their capabilities turn a cow into a mobile fermentation plant for cellulose.

The symbiotic microorganisms produce cellulase enzymes, something no mammal can do on its own. The cellulase breaks down the cell walls of plant materials to release fatty acids into the gut. These fatty acids are absorbed by the cow, and constitute a significant portion of her overall energy budget input. Later, when the food passes into the intestine, absorption of amino acids, lipids, carbohydrates, etc., takes place as in other animals. This "double digestion" system of ruminants allows them to exploit an energy source—cellulose—denied to other herbivores. Ruminants can usually survive on relatively poor ground unsuitable for other species.

To put it simply, cows and such are the only animals that have a digestive system built to consume plants. In this sense cows have a greater evolutionary advantage over humans, because cows would survive where humans would perish. But since Nature is all about balance, we can still survive by eating animal life.

As for horses and such, they can also utilize cellulose similar to cows, but it happens in their massive large intestine that is anatomically complex in comparison to most other animals.

We humans don't digest cellulose. We also don't produce ascorbic acid, when many animals do. It's as if our lesson as species is to learn how to reconcile the fact that we have to take life in order to live. How to balance the scales and pay back the cosmic debt.

 

[Kisito]

Also I wonder why vegetarians mammals do not need to consume fatty acids? Is it the fact that their body develops enough ketone or their mtDNA is better protected?
I am not a vegetarian and I love bacon, but I can not reconcile the fact that to live well he must killed, rather than being vegetarian as the horse or elephant?

Well, Laura is right, vegetarian mammals, specifically cows, sheep, goats (and any other animals that have four stomachs) have very different digestive systems. There's the following:

_http://www.vetmed.vt.edu/education/curriculum/vm8054/Labs/Lab21/Lab21.htm

In monogastric animals, the stomach's functions are limited to temporary storage and preliminary mastication of the food into a liquid mass; little or no absorption of nutrients takes place. In ruminants, however, the stomach has an absorption function in addition to the usual functions of mastication and acidification. The evolutionary success of the ruminants as a group is based on the efficiency of their digestive system in extracting nutrition from low-quality food. The key to the ruminant digestive system's efficiency is the presence of symbiotic microorganisms in it, particularly in the forestomachs. These inhabitants and their capabilities turn a cow into a mobile fermentation plant for cellulose.

The symbiotic microorganisms produce cellulase enzymes, something no mammal can do on its own. The cellulase breaks down the cell walls of plant materials to release fatty acids into the gut. These fatty acids are absorbed by the cow, and constitute a significant portion of her overall energy budget input. Later, when the food passes into the intestine, absorption of amino acids, lipids, carbohydrates, etc., takes place as in other animals. This "double digestion" system of ruminants allows them to exploit an energy source—cellulose—denied to other herbivores. Ruminants can usually survive on relatively poor ground unsuitable for other species.

To put it simply, cows and such are the only animals that have a digestive system built to consume plants. In this sense cows have a greater evolutionary advantage over humans, because cows would survive where humans would perish. But since Nature is all about balance, we can still survive by eating animal life.

As for horses and such, they can also utilize cellulose similar to cows, but it happens in their massive large intestine that is anatomically complex in comparison to most other animals.

We humans don't digest cellulose. We also don't produce ascorbic acid, when many animals do. It's as if our lesson as species is to learn how to reconcile the fact that we have to take life in order to live. How to balance the scales and pay back the cosmic debt.

Thank you very much Keit is very informative. This is research material and reflection for me.

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

Well, Laura is right, vegetarian mammals, specifically cows, sheep, goats (and any other animals that have four stomachs) have very different digestive systems. There's the following:

_http://www.vetmed.vt.edu/education/curriculum/vm8054/Labs/Lab21/Lab21.htm

In monogastric animals, the stomach's functions are limited to temporary storage and preliminary mastication of the food into a liquid mass; little or no absorption of nutrients takes place. In ruminants, however, the stomach has an absorption function in addition to the usual functions of mastication and acidification. The evolutionary success of the ruminants as a group is based on the efficiency of their digestive system in extracting nutrition from low-quality food. The key to the ruminant digestive system's efficiency is the presence of symbiotic microorganisms in it, particularly in the forestomachs. These inhabitants and their capabilities turn a cow into a mobile fermentation plant for cellulose.

The symbiotic microorganisms produce cellulase enzymes, something no mammal can do on its own. The cellulase breaks down the cell walls of plant materials to release fatty acids into the gut. These fatty acids are absorbed by the cow, and constitute a significant portion of her overall energy budget input. Later, when the food passes into the intestine, absorption of amino acids, lipids, carbohydrates, etc., takes place as in other animals. This "double digestion" system of ruminants allows them to exploit an energy source—cellulose—denied to other herbivores. Ruminants can usually survive on relatively poor ground unsuitable for other species.

To put it simply, cows and such are the only animals that have a digestive system built to consume plants. In this sense cows have a greater evolutionary advantage over humans, because cows would survive where humans would perish. But since Nature is all about balance, we can still survive by eating animal life.

As for horses and such, they can also utilize cellulose similar to cows, but it happens in their massive large intestine that is anatomically complex in comparison to most other animals.

We humans don't digest cellulose. We also don't produce ascorbic acid, when many animals do. It's as if our lesson as species is to learn how to reconcile the fact that we have to take life in order to live. How to balance the scales and pay back the cosmic debt.

Thank you very much Keit is very informative. This is research material and reflection for me.

Yes. Thanks for sharing, Keit.