Why you shouldn't use Zionist word, ever

Richard S said:
I think it is important to 'tell it like it really is'!

But if you say something and people interpret it entirely different from your meaning, then the message they hear is not "telling it like it really is". Mission not accomplished. This is just internal considering IMO.

Don't get stuck with thinking you have to use all the words and phrases everyone else uses. Great speakers are able to take advantage of language to craft a message that will be understood the same by everyone. I suppose this is close to what Gurdjieff described as "objective art".
 
monotonic said:
Richard S said:
I think it is important to 'tell it like it really is'!

But if you say something and people interpret it entirely different from your meaning, then the message they hear is not "telling it like it really is". Mission not accomplished. This is just internal considering IMO.

It also depends on the focus point. Is the focus on getting as many people as possible to see things in a particular way? Or is the focus on being an observer of reality in as objective a way as possible (being a lighthouse)?

The two perspectives are not mutually exclusive. But how information is presented would vary depending on the relative emphasis placed on one or the other. The second focus area is not likely to appeal to the majority of people. And the first focus area will require a certain dilution or obfuscation of the more objective view of the situation. OSIT
 
neonix said:
People who first time listen word psychopaths from your mount, will be think that you libel someone.

You can't skipped (jump) this. You can't overcome this. Psychologists, sociologist, therapists, doctors, scientist can use this word.

Journalist can't. Conspiracy theories believers shouldn't use this word, because people think it's used as invective. You can use it when you write scientific article, but not in journalistic (publicist) article.

You can use replacements: greed politics, detached from reality, deprived of empathy, genetically corrupted.

neonix, I have no argument to offer, but I thought you might benefit from seeing a bigger picture here, so you might see what seems to be missing in your understanding.

Everything about SoTT, from web design to the selection of articles, the training of writers and their writing has been thought out ahead of time. A long time ago, there was even an explanation of how some of these writings could provide 'shocks' to readers. At that time, a parallel was drawn to Gurdjieff's work and the idea was to benefit forum and non-forum members alike.

Then, links to the forum were provided and invitations were made for people to come discuss what they read. Whether or not a person's concerns were satisfied right away, at least they got to experience talking with intelligent people here who could control themselves well enough to show they were capable of caring about others without having an ulterior motive or hidden agenda. That, itself, is a nice experience.

During their time here, they could be invited to post on any other concern they may have. They could be pointed to other information to provide full context and answer questions. Should they become interested, they may even become familiar with the Diet and Health boards which contain tons of information and member experiences ranging from clearer thinking to relief from chronic aches and pains.

In short, once you see in writing, some common human values, you may see that they are all preserved and represented in the totality of cassiopaea.org and SoTT.net.

Here's a brief outline:

We are small-group beings. The word tribe tends to describe this human value. (Re: forum membership)
We are total participators - we want to be a part of everything of importance to our tribe. (re:forum member activities)
We are very physical, requiring good diets, regular exercise and other movement-based activities. (re:check out our Diet & Health sections)
We are right-brain or whole-brain learners primarily, rather than rote-learners. (re: read The Wave and related boards and forum threads)
We require much learning through stimulation of the thinking processes and imagery. (re: the sheer differentiation of subject matter on this forum)
We are artistic and humor lovers and require this to balance out the 3Rs learning. (re: the Tickle Me and Creative boards)
We are social. We need stimulation, just like the muscles do, of satisfying social inclinations such as love, belonging, loyalty, courage, etc, along with knowledge of self and other defensive capabilities in a violent and dangerous world. (re: the general activity of discussions and interactions here)
We need to feel equality with others; to feel respected, cared for and free from being branded, labelled and pigeon-holed. (re: the quality of discussions and interactions here, as moderated, and the Hospitality concept in play)
We need role-models to follow and emulate - well-cultured and loving teachers, rather than 'specialists.' From our earliest age, we begin to learn from role-models and what we pick up forms a very large part of our early learning. (re: Forum founders, Administrators, SuperModerators and other ranking and senior, knowledgeable members)

So, that brings us back to SoTT. You could probably say that all good people who can write in political contexts are productively engaged in ideological warfare (AKA mass diplomacy in other social contexts) and some of the terms you object to are merely those linguistic weapons that have been taken back from the official propagandists and human psychology manipulators and are being used correctly, with the correct referents. IOW, what you are reading, is an example of Laura's quote you supply at the end of your OP. These writers are also being role-models for normal people.

The only way I can understand you or any of your family, friends or social contacts being offended or upset by this 'wacko language' is through the mechanism of "semantic reaction," and we have a reference to help with that quandary as well. The problem is simply one of too-narrow focus, I think.

Please take the time to think about all this and read the link. If you can reach a satisfactory understanding, then you may be able to avoid the "IFD" path that will take you from your Idealization of others' verbal expressions, through Frustration and finally Demoralization. If what you learn helps you, you may choose to use this knowledge to help others.

In the meantime, here's an exercise you can experiment with when you feel emotionally triggered by people's words:

Stop or minimize the words and narrations in your mind as much as possible.
Let your awareness float down to the perceptual-sensation level of your body.
Notice what you see in your environment.
Feel your saliva and notice any tastes in your mouth.
What do you hear and what direction is the sound coming from?
Notice your posture, feel where the areas of tension are and notice where they are not.
Feel your clothes touching your skin - their contact, looseness and tightness.
Feel the floor pushing up on your feet and notice the direction your body is oriented.
Notice sensations inside your body, flows of energy and what your body feels in every part and how these flows change every second. Let calming happen without narration.
Notice where you are - that you are here, feeling this and that, noticing this and that, right now, in this place, at this time, in this city, in this county, on this land, on this planet, in this galaxy at this exact time.

All of this can happen in just seconds. It's the cortical-thalamic pause (before reacting). It gives you time to let your nervous system integrate everything, so that when next you speak or move, you do so as a more integrated person, more in control of himself. You can read about the foundations of all this in The Wave, General Semantics, and by understanding various applications of Gurdjieff's Stop exercise.

If the above exercise helps you, you may also choose to share it with others for the same purpose. Helping people in various ways is important. In one-on-one and one-in-group social contexts, it may also be important to speak tentatively, as if to show you know you can't possibly be speaking the whole story in one go and that others may have their own interpretations or they may be abstracting other details from the same situation to construct their understanding.

In any case, an important thing is to operate on the level of human values - to be an example of empathy, compassion - to "show your love", so to speak, the way a particular unnamed marine in Vietnam meant as he talked with the cultural detective, Robert Humphrey.

Humphrey was hired to solve black-white racial tension issues in a Marine Corp detachment in Vietnam many years ago. He wrote about it in Values for a New Millennium. Due to the extreme sensitivity of talking about racial issues, in this kind of environment, to men with guns, he tended to call his talks 'cross-cultural relations'.

In this one example, Humphrey was called on to work with a group of soldiers in a particularly volatile place where there was ongoing fighting of Viet Cong forces - often alongside Vietnamese. Humphrey arrived to a group of about 100 marines, blacks sitting on one side of the dirt-floor Quonset and whites on the other. He gave his tailored talk on cross-cultural relations and, as usual, it was a success - even to the point of getting a standing ovation. But something still bothered him about their sitting arrangements as the way blacks and whites had divided themselves up was highly unusual for this context.

When Humphrey left the Quonset, he asked for the 'leader' of the black soldiers to come see him. A young, but very tall, very big black man walked up to him where he was standing at a shade tree. Humphrey's first impression of the leader was that he was physically ugly, scars splitting an eyebrow, a side of his nose and side of his lips. He appeared to give off a menacing quality.

Humphrey asked the man, "What did you think (about the talk)?"
Soldier: "It was marvelous" he said in a warm, soft, deep voice.
Humphrey: "What more can be done?" The soldier thought for a moment and then spoke slowly.
Soldier: "Well, mister, you would have to stay and keep telling those stories about equality to the beasts until they really understand."
Humphrey: "Good God, man, by 'beasts,' you mean the whites?"
Soldier: "Yes; not all, but most. It goes back to the slavery, the atomic bombs, and now this situation here: too many blacks dying while our people back home are facing those police dogs and clubs; and even the whites here just getting us killed because of their bestiality to the Vietnamese."
Humphrey: "What do you mean: to the Vietnamese?"
Soldier: "Well you see, they don't know how to give candy to the children. They're afraid to hand it through the barbed wire for fear they'll get their lily-white hands scratched. So they throw it to the children like they wuz dogs. They just don't seem to understand that to win here, we have to show love."

The soldier released Humphrey's shoulder, cupped his hand and held it out to Humphrey.

Soldier: "You see, you have to hold the candy through the wire like this, and then as you let them pick out the pieces, you have to keep watching their faces. They will look at you. That's when you have to show them that you love them."

The soldier touched his mangled lips. "You have to have love in your lips." He touched his big, ugly split nostril. "You have to have love in your nose." His hand slipped up to the scar to the split eyebrow and the soldier continued: "...And love in your eyes. The beasts don't understand. You could tell them."

Damn! Humphrey thought, as he ducked out from under the tree so no one could his eyes glazing over with tears. "Okay," Humphrey assured the man, "I'll do what I can." To Humphrey, the man no longer looked ugly and menacing...just big and strong.

Do you see? From a big-picture view, everything that is being done is showing the love! It is representing human values! It is about connecting! ...And this is our opportunity to connect and talk about it all.
 
obyvatel said:
monotonic said:
Richard S said:
I think it is important to 'tell it like it really is'!

But if you say something and people interpret it entirely different from your meaning, then the message they hear is not "telling it like it really is". Mission not accomplished. This is just internal considering IMO.

It also depends on the focus point. Is the focus on getting as many people as possible to see things in a particular way? Or is the focus on being an observer of reality in as objective a way as possible (being a lighthouse)?

Noticing how the 'lighthouse principle' works, just think back a few years when "Psychopath" was a taboo word. Consistent and persistent use of the word by the Signs team and many of us posting on various sites the articles from SOTT and our personal comments in many places changed that taboo to the extent that not only are alternative news websites and shows using the term, but it has gone mainstream. While it is still true that the real meaning of the word is not accurately understood, it is most definitely out there and can no longer be hidden or ignored.

This would not have been able to happen if we were all too afraid to speak clearly about what is really the truth.

All that being said, it is also true that in some circumstances it is better to be a bit more circumspect.

The two perspectives are not mutually exclusive. But how information is presented would vary depending on the relative emphasis placed on one or the other. The second focus area is not likely to appeal to the majority of people. And the first focus area will require a certain dilution or obfuscation of the more objective view of the situation. OSIT

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A long time ago I had a jewish friend, and at the time Zionism had a slight negative association for me. So I had asked if his father was a zionist ( and I had thought to myself, he isn't really is he? ) but my friend said yes, in a matter of fact way. He was proud of that. Well - I think a lot of pro-israel jews understand that when a gentile inquires about zionism, you have to straight and honest with them. They think we are under a misconception but they don't personally begrudge us for this. They think academia and the media is the culprit.

Accusing Jews of being part of a conspiracy is very different (and potentially offensive) discussion, than a discussion about Zionism, about the Palestinian/Israel conflict, which seems to be a very common and open political discussion at College Campuses today.
 
The globalists (or consortium using astral realm and mentally unbalanced persons) can pay hundreds of trolls that flood SoTT and this forum with anti-Zionist posts, and you will not figure it out because you will think, that is nothing wrong with anti-Zionism, but for the rest of people you will be looked like a bunch of anti-Semites. They can twist everything round because if a lot of people say that you are anti-Semites, then public opinion believe the majority.

You will have to be like gentlemen, where there's no objections against your language.

I see this strategy nowadays with Islamic refugees in Europe. Many news portals turn off ability to comment articles because of vulgar anti-Islamic comments.

I know this, because I live in Poland and see how thousands of trolls invaded many portals. Mostly in social media. You probably read many articles about preparing trolls for hybrid war.

There's many signs that hate speech, anti-Semitism and anti-Islamism will be used for censorship in the Internet. And with your approach to this issue you could become unaware prey of your short-sightedness.
 
neonix said:
The globalists (or consortium using astral realm and mentally unbalanced persons) can pay hundreds of trolls that flood SoTT and this forum with anti-Zionist posts, and you will not figure it out because you will think, that is nothing wrong with anti-Zionism, but for the rest of people you will be looked like a bunch of anti-Semites. They can twist everything round because if a lot of people say that you are anti-Semites, then public opinion believe the majority.

The forum has been going on for quite a number of years now, and yet I don't see, that what you are describing COULD happen, actually has happened. There is an active moderation and people who don't follow basic rules are shown the door, but if you look at the breath of the topics discussed here and the depth of the discussions then your concern is not proven valid.

One could also say that the globalists that you mentioned above, could send any number of trolls here with the purpose of steering the debate and create though control and language control, so certain words such as zionist or psychopath etc are eliminated from the discussions. It is only an example and it is not directed at you. It is just to illustrate that the forms of attack can take many forms. Excluding a list of words that accurately describes reality is stifling of a free and objective forum and I personally prefer to call a spade a spade and therefore also a psychopath a psychopath, though I agree that these words should be used appropiately.
neonix said:
You will have to be like gentlemen, where there's no objections against your language.

There will always be objections! Psychopaths will object to being called out and so will all who live in the shade, when light is cast upon them. Psychopath are snakes in suits and will for all appearance look like gentlemen and be charming ,well spoken, handsome with the ladies etc. and will in a gentleman fashion raise criticism on the use of certain words, when they feel someone has exposed their true nature. Such criticism may take the form of eloquent speech, drawing bistorical parallels etc. but the fact in this example is still that the person is a psychopath. So you see the problem about limiting words and never offending anybody?
 
neonix said:
They can twist everything round because if a lot of people say that you are anti-Semites, then public opinion believe the majority.

I don't know if you have seen this article: "Putin comes out way ahead of Obama in post-UN General Assembly US media poll"
http://www.sott.net/article/303272-Putin-comes-out-way-ahead-of-Obama-in-post-UN-General-Assembly-US-media-poll

In the article it states: "At least 96 percent of the nearly 33,500 submitted ballots cast their votes for Putin. Obama received 4 percent of the votes."

Even though there is a concerted media blitz to demonize Mr. Putin, people can see who is telling the truth, working for peace and justice for everyone. The media baloney is failing because people are not really as stupid as the government thinks they are and many of them are now beginning to wake up and see what is really going on.

This would not have happened if Mr. Putin (and many, many other people) remained in the politically correct speech paradigm limitation arena.

Joseph Goebbels stated that if you tell a big enough lie often enough people would believe it. The corollary must also apply: If you tell the big truth often enough people will also believe it to be so - especially if there are verifiable facts to support your statements!

You will have to be like gentlemen, where there's no objections against your language.

Perhaps you are not aware that these types of 'social rules' were initiated and spread throughout society by the very psychopaths who do not want their lies and control mechanisms exposed and their very nature as psychopathic individuals also outed.

The only mechanism which we are allowed to use, as STO leaning individuals, is to counter the lies with the truth. To remain silent, or to beat around the bush so as to remain 'politically correct' is actually aiding and abetting the lies!

Personally, I will not do this, and most here no doubt feel the same way.
 
Richard S said:
neonix said:
They can twist everything round because if a lot of people say that you are anti-Semites, then public opinion believe the majority.

I don't know if you have seen this article: "Putin comes out way ahead of Obama in post-UN General Assembly US media poll"
http://www.sott.net/article/303272-Putin-comes-out-way-ahead-of-Obama-in-post-UN-General-Assembly-US-media-poll

In the article it states: "At least 96 percent of the nearly 33,500 submitted ballots cast their votes for Putin. Obama received 4 percent of the votes."

Even though there is a concerted media blitz to demonize Mr. Putin, people can see who is telling the truth, working for peace and justice for everyone. The media baloney is failing because people are not really as stupid as the government thinks they are and many of them are now beginning to wake up and see what is really going on.

This would not have happened if Mr. Putin (and many, many other people) remained in the politically correct speech paradigm limitation arena.

Joseph Goebbels stated that if you tell a big enough lie often enough people would believe it. The corollary must also apply: If you tell the big truth often enough people will also believe it to be so - especially if there are verifiable facts to support your statements!

You will have to be like gentlemen, where there's no objections against your language.

Perhaps you are not aware that these types of 'social rules' were initiated and spread throughout society by the very psychopaths who do not want their lies and control mechanisms exposed and their very nature as psychopathic individuals also outed.

The only mechanism which we are allowed to use, as STO leaning individuals, is to counter the lies with the truth. To remain silent, or to beat around the bush so as to remain 'politically correct' is actually aiding and abetting the lies!

Personally, I will not do this, and most here no doubt feel the same way.

Me, too, Richard. I tell it like I see it for the most part. And call a spade a spade, a zionist a zionist, a psychopath a psychopath, etc.
 
Richard S said:
Joseph Goebbels stated that if you tell a big enough lie often enough people would believe it.

That is true in it's other variations too. Which is why the American public education system will never be completely overhauled as badly as its needed. It's just a classroom scale of national propaganda techniques based on repetition - rote learning. If the education system was overhauled, then propaganda techniques would have to follow suit. Can't encourage people to begin questioning what they are being told, like "You will have to be like gentlemen, where there's no objections against your language." My anti-propaganda technique #2: Specify...exactly who, what, when, where, how, why...Why? Because there may be contexts where this advice is useful or appropriate but its being given as some kind of universal truth.

neonix said:
They can twist everything round because if a lot of people say that you are anti-Semites, then public opinion believe the majority.

Public opinion is manufactured anyway and it seems most people can't be bothered to read or think much:

NPR prank shows: Americans don't read past headlines
 
Richard S said:
I think it is important to 'tell it like it really is'!
This is a great example of wishful thinking approach.

Media have bunch of marketing specialist. And you don't have none.
Russia Today don't use such language. SputnikNews don't use such language.
They are going forward, and in your case it's just a lot of hot air.
 
neonix said:
Richard S said:
I think it is important to 'tell it like it really is'!
This is a great example of wishful thinking approach.

Media have bunch of marketing specialist. And you don't have none.
Russia Today don't use such language. SputnikNews don't use such language.
They are going forward, and in your case it's just a lot of hot air.

I don't think so. While many outlets out there may be reluctant to quote Sott directly, the fact is that we get exponentially more and more readers every few months, and that information that we push forward is more and more often published elsewhere. Yes, sometimes Sott is cited too.

As an example, the idea that many people in power are psychopaths was first promoted by Sott, many years ago. I remember the days when this was nowhere to be found except in this forum and in Sott. And now it's literally everywhere in the alternative media, and to some extent it is also in mainstream media. Why? Because many people recognize it as truth, and all we did was explain it and repeat it as truthfully and as best as we could.

Not bad for a bunch of people without marketing specialists, eh?
 
neonix said:
Richard S said:
I think it is important to 'tell it like it really is'!
This is a great example of wishful thinking approach.

Media have bunch of marketing specialist. And you don't have none.
Russia Today don't use such language. SputnikNews don't use such language.
They are going forward, and in your case it's just a lot of hot air.

We might not have employed media specialist but that does not mean that we don't think about how and what we write. As Windmill Knight says, then are readership is constantly increasing. The mainstream media has a whole army of media specialist and yet they are encountering major problems as people more and more are fed up with their lies and double-speak and therefor go for alternative media outlets for news.

I get the feeling that you neonix are getting frustrated that we don't buy your argument of reframing from telling the truth as we see it but I don't get the feeling that it is because you are concerned about SOTT as such. Is this so or am I misunderstanding you?
 
Good media are not a side of conflict. If you use emotional language you are perceived as one side of conflict. If you use non-gentelmen language you are perceived as hotheaded. This don't build credibility and trust.

You don't say in your articles that 4th density beings manipulate our special services, politics and mainstream media. Why? Because you know that its too shocking. Then someone could say - but this is truth - why not tell people that Reptilians are behind it?

Laura can do this because she has credibility. Sott editors can't do this because they are journalist. Do you see difference?

Sott has great advantage to tell things that Russian media can't tell. For example MH17 story. Sott is far ahead from Russian media in narrating this story. You have great ability to tell things that other media can't tell. But you have to make use this advantage in smart way, not spoil it by make small mistakes. You have build your credibility by professionalism. And in my opinion you waste a lot of steam.

Few examples what I don't like in Sott.

"F**k the U.S.!' EU economy facing major blowback from anti-Russia sanctions" - this title is horrible. I know that it quote of Victoria Nuland. I know that sputniknews use this article in their website, but they don't use F word. It's not professional to use such title.

Another examples:
[Original title]
US Senate Hearing Discusses Using Refugees as Human Shields in Syria
[Sott title]
Psychopathic thinking: US Senate hearing discusses using refugees as human shields in Syria

[Original title]
“Je Suis Donetsk”: Ukraine Army Attacks Bus and Trolley in Center of Donetsk. 13 Killed including Children
[Sott title]
Psychopathic Nazi Ukrainian army shells bus and trolley in Donetsk city center, killing dozens of civilians including children

Something is wrong here. This is tabloid strategy to create emotional title. Don't go this path. When you use presstitutes word you lost credibility. Because good journalist shouldn't use emotional language.

In conclusion. I don't ask you to stop use psychopath word at all. I just want convince you to use it in correct moment, correct context. Don't overuse it. Don't use it in emotional sentence. Don't scare people by emotional titles. Don't make them angry unnecessarily. Anger is important but only in some cases. Don't create emotional swing. Don't manipulate reader's emotions. Be professional not emotional.
 
There could be grounds for a discussion of using language differently, but ideally a project, its conception and its operation should be coherent with its strategy. SOTT and the other related projects occupy a very different niche than, for example, a site like Russia Today, and I daresay fulfill a very different role in the lives of its content providers, researchers, editors, etc than Russia Today. I think it would be nearly useless to seriously take on the discussion of transforming the use of language on SOTT without taking the time to be fully grounded in its strategy, that is, the participants in the discussion having a reasonably similar understanding of the mission. Of course, I don't mean to try to shut down this discussion, but to say that fruits could be limited without an understanding of the goal of SOTT.

On the one hand, we could say about the goal, "Easy schmeezy... Objective truth..." But there are still underlying axioms that inform the approach to seeking what that truth may be... They are probably pretty different than those of Russia Today in certain aspects. The SOTT approach to seeking truth does attract certain people and has discovered and rediscovered certain rather interesting ideas, for example, the oversized influence of psychopathy on popular culture and politics. As far as I know, SOTT has grown pretty constantly since its founding with a few dramatic bumps from time to time. Why would they change their approach to be like a Russia Today that has a rather different mission, strategy and a likely dramatically different level of funding?
 
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