With Fragmented 9-11 Truth, How would You Bring It All Together?

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With the knowledge that there are dis-info gatekeepers in the 9-11 truth "movement" if you can call it that, what would you do to bring about a working model? Do you think it is possible?

I note the disparity between factions in the so called truth movement. For example, Alex Jones is questionable and has been ostracized by WING TV members Lisa Guliani and Victor Thorn, and in my opinion rightfully so.
I have also noted their distrust for many in the RBN Radio network. Their points are well taken.

Whether or not Lisa and Victor consider themselves a part of the truth movement, they have taken upon themselves the task to reveal shills in the "alternative" media. With that exposure comes the risk of total collapse of any type of meaningful movement at all.

I can't help but question that when all is said and done, provided that they are successful at exposing all of the gatekeepers, what will they ( or anyone for that matter) do to create a working, fully functional, and effective 9-11 truth movement?

While I agree with much of what they have to say, I'm not certain what their long term agenda is.



"Education is favorable to liberty. Freedom can only exist in a society of knowledge.
Without learning, men are incapable of knowing their rights. And where learning is
confined to a few people, Liberty can neither be equal nor universal"
-Benjamin Rush
 
Melchizedek said:
While I agree with much of what they have to say, I'm not certain what their long term agenda is.
The long time agenda is simple: to gather all the data that can be gathered, and then to find the TRUTH that is based on these data. You can't have a "truth movement" without first knowing enough of what the truth is. Knowledge is power. But to gain reliable knowledge is a hard work! Finding all the lies is a necessary, but not a sufficient step. Gathering data is much more important than collecting "opinions", especially those that are skewed by "handlers". In fact, opinions do not count at all. Data, and their scrupulos analysis that takes into account all other data, from other domains, sharing data and knowledge, rather than opinions, is the only way toward our better future.

This is the direction that we take, here, on this forum. Lisa seems to be colinear with this idea, doing the "field work" herself.
 
If one could organize a truth movement as efficiently as one puts together a political party (only the opposite, as truth is necessary) one could accomplish much. You are correct about excising the liars and shills though. It is a formidable task. Direction is badly needed, as are leaders with impeccable credentials as they will be scrutinized by the controlled mainstream media and their controllers.
 
Melchizedek said:
It is a formidable task. Direction is badly needed, as are leaders with impeccable credentials as they will be scrutinized by the controlled mainstream media and their controllers.
Networking in a colinear group is needed. Not "leaders". Because "leaders" ALWAYS make errors. They also make those "subordinated" less critical than they would normally be.
 
ark said:
Melchizedek said:
It is a formidable task. Direction is badly needed, as are leaders with impeccable credentials as they will be scrutinized by the controlled mainstream media and their controllers.
Networking in a colinear group is needed. Not "leaders". Because "leaders" ALWAYS make errors. They also make those "subordinated" less critical than they would normally be.
Coordination takes people at the top. Whatever you prefer to call them. Not necessarily one supreme leader. The entire problem right now seems to be the lack of coordination. It is omni-directional.
The 9-11 effort has become as bad a quagmire as constitutional law, which was meant to be understood in it's simplest form, but is now so twisted by srutiny it has been undermined by its own advocates.

Take the four attacks. Grasp the simplest and strongest arguments. Agree to adhere to fighting on that premise and unitarily push for exposure. The only question is, can good overcome evil? I have my doubts.
 
I say the problem is that the so-called alternative media and "movement" have both been co-opted and controlled from the very beginning by posers, the "people at the top".
The lack of coordination is by design.

There has been deliberate contention and confusion and misdirection created as to what the simplest and strongest arguments of the 4 flights ARE. This muddying of the waters is also by DESIGN.

Whether good in this situation can overcome evil remains to be seen.
But I will say this, good has been able to "hold the posers back" to a degree, and has been quite a little thorn in their side.
They mischaracterize exposes as attacks on "truthtellers and patriots" and create the illusion of "in-fighting".
There is no "in-fighting".
There are real truthseekers/tellers and then there is the larger, more networked, better organized opposition, the poser psychos and their human tools who have been working quite hard to stop the truth effort and to wipe out people like me.


Unless there is excision of the OPPOSITION, there is no point in coordinating the efforts of both good and bad guys. That is what they would LOVE, to blend the two. A half truth is still a whole lie...

A network without posers would need to be created to even have the smallest chance at success.
No small task there.
And as you likely know, the posers in the alternative media have quite a following among the various rank and file, people who worship the altars of Alex Jones, et al. and tend to resist/dismiss/oppose information that dissolves the illusion of their perceived heroes. Maintaining this false belief system in their "heroes and gurus" seems to take precedence for many of the rank and file, rather than giving priority to what they're supposed to be doing, which is, exposing the truth about 9-11, etc..

They have substituted one illusion for another.
 
Mel said:
Take the four attacks. Grasp the simplest and strongest arguments. Agree to adhere to fighting on that premise and unitarily push for exposure. The only question is, can good overcome evil? I have my doubts.
That has been my strategy for a long time. I have written to just about every alleged 9/11 Truth person out there, explaining the problems, pointing out the solution: that it will take unitary action, focusing on the weakest link in the chain, and coordinated action; all I got was a bunch of egos and the sorriest bunch of ego-infighting I've ever seen.

Yes, it takes a nucleus of people to lead. Gurdjieff addressed the problem:

"The process of evolution, of that evolution which is possible for humanity as a whole, is completely analogous, to the process of evolution possible for the individual man. And it begins with the same thing, namely, a certain group of cells gradually becomes conscious; then it attracts to itself other cells, subordinates others, and gradually makes the whole organism serve its aims and not merely eat, drink, and sleep. This is evolution and there can be no other kind of evolution. In humanity as in individual man everything begins with the formation of a conscious nucleus.

All the mechanical forces of life fight against the formation of this conscious nucleus in humanity, in just the same way as all mechanical habits, tastes and weaknesses fight against conscious self-remembering in man."

"Can it be said that there is a conscious force which fights against the evolution of humanity?" I asked.

"From a certain point of view it can be said," said G.

I am putting this on record because it would seem to contradict what he said before, namely, that there are only two forces struggling in the world-"consciousness" and "mechanicalness."

"Where can this force come from?" I asked.

"It would take a long time to explain," said G., "and it cannot have a practical significance for us at the present moment. There are two processes which are sometimes called 'involutionary' and 'evolutionary.' The difference between them is the following: An involutionary process begins consciously in the Absolute but at the next step it already becomes mechanical-and it becomes more and more mechanical as it develops; an evolutionary process begins half-consciously but it becomes more and more conscious as its develops.

But consciousness and conscious opposition to the evolutionary process can also appear at certain moments in the, involutionary process.

From where does this consciousness come?

From the evolutionary process of course. The evolutionary process must proceed without interruption. Any stop causes a separation from the fundamental process.

Such separate fragments of consciousnesses which have been stopped in their development can also unite and at any rate for a certain time can live by struggling against the evolutionary process. After all it merely makes the evolutionary process more interesting.

Instead of struggling against mechanical forces there may, at certain moments, be a struggle against the intentional opposition of fairly powerful forces though they are not of course comparable with those which direct the evolutionary process.

These opposing forces may sometimes even conquer.

The reason for this consists in the fact that the forces guiding evolution have a more limited choice of means; in other words, they can only make use of certain means and certain methods.

The opposing forces are not limited in their choice of means and they are able to make use of every means, even those which only give rise to a temporary success, and in the final result they destroy both evolution and involution at the point in question.

"But as I have said already, this question has no practical significance for us. It is only important for us to establish the indications of evolution beginning and the indications of evolution proceeding. And if we remember the full analogy between humanity and man it will not be difficult to establish whether humanity can be regarded as evolving.

"Are we able to say for instance that life is governed by a group of conscious people? Where are they? Who are they?

We see exactly the opposite: that life is governed by those who are the least conscious, by those who are most asleep.

"Are we able to say that we observe in life a preponderance of the best, the strongest, and the most courageous elements?

Nothing of the sort. On the contrary we see a preponderance of vulgarity and stupidity of all kinds.

"Are we able to say that aspirations towards unity, towards unification, can be observed in life?

Nothing of the kind of course. We only see new divisions, new hostility, new misunderstandings.

"So that in the actual situation of humanity there is nothing that points to evolution proceeding.

On the contrary when we compare humanity with a man we quite clearly see a growth of personality at the cost of essence, that is, a growth of the artificial, the unreal, and what is foreign, at the cost of the natural, the real, and what is one's own.

"Together with this we see a growth of automatism.

"Contemporary culture requires automatons. And people are undoubtedly losing their acquired habits of independence and turning into automatons, into parts of machines. It is impossible to say where is the end of all this and where the way out- or whether there is an end and a way out. One thing alone is certain, that man's slavery grows and increases. Man is becoming a willing slave. He no longer needs chains. He begins to grow fond of his slavery, to be proud of it. And this is the most terrible thing that can happen to a man.

"Everything I have said till now I have said about the whole of humanity. But as I pointed out before, the evolution of humanity can proceed only through the evolution of a certain group, which, in its turn, will influence and lead the rest of humanity.

"Are we able to say that such a group exists?

Perhaps we can on the basis of certain signs, but in any event we have to acknowledge that it is a very small group, quite insufficient, at any rate, to subjugate the rest of humanity. Or, looking at it from another point of view, we can say that humanity is in such a state that it is unable to accept the guidance of a conscious group."

"How many people could there be in this conscious group?" someone asked.

"Only they themselves know this," said G.

"Does it mean that they all know each other?" asked the same person again.

"How could it be otherwise?" asked G. "Imagine that there are two or three people who are awake in the midst of a multitude of sleeping people. They will certainly know each other. But those who are asleep cannot know them.

How many are they? We do not know and we cannot know until we become like them.

It has been clearly said before that each man can only see on the level of his own being.

But two hundred conscious people, if they existed and if they found it necessary and legitimate, could change the whole of life on the earth.

But either there are not enough of them, or they do not want to, or perhaps the time has not yet come, or perhaps other people are sleeping too soundly.
And so it is. We need the conscious group first. And it needs to be colinear in order to ACT.

What does that mean?

Gurdjief described it exactly:

"We have approached the problems of esotericism.

"It was pointed out before when we spoke about the history of humanity that the life of humanity to which we belong is governed by forces proceeding from two different sources: first, planetary influences which act entirely mechanically and are received by the human masses as well as by individual people quite involuntarily and unconsciously; and then, influences proceeding from inner circles of humanity whose existence and significance the vast majority of people do not suspect any more than they suspect planetary influences.

"The humanity to which we belong, namely, the whole of historic and prehistoric humanity known to science and civilization, in reality constitutes only the outer circle of humanity, within which there are several other circles.
"So that we can imagine the whole of humanity, known as well as unknown to us, as consisting so to speak of several concentric circles.

"The inner circle is called the 'esoteric'; this circle consists of people who have attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an indivisible 'I,' all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man, and a free and independent will. They cannot perform actions opposed to their understanding or have an understanding which is not expressed by actions. At the same time there can be no discords among them, no differences of understanding. Therefore their activity is entirely co-ordinated and leads to one common aim without any kind of compulsion because it is based upon a common and identical understanding.

"The next circle is called the 'mesoteric,' that is to say, the middle. People who belong to this circle possess all the qualities possessed by the members of the esoteric circle with the sole difference that their knowledge is of a more theoretical character.' This refers, of course, to knowledge of a cosmic character. They know and understand many things which have not yet found expression in their actions. They know more than they do. But their understanding is precisely as exact as, and therefore precisely identical with, the understanding of the people of the esoteric circle. Between them there can be, no discord, there can be no misunderstanding. One understands in the way they all understand, and all understand in the way one understands. But as was said before, this understanding compared with the understanding of the esoteric circle is somewhat more theoretical.
"The third circle is called the 'exoteric,' that is, the outer, because it is the outer circle of the inner part of humanity. The people who belong to this circle possess much of that which belongs to people of the esoteric and mesoteric circles but their cosmic knowledge is of a more philosophical character, that is to say, it is more abstract than the knowledge of the mesoteric circle. A member of the mesoteric circle calculates, a member of the exoteric circle contemplates. Their understanding may not be expressed in actions. But there cannot be differences in understanding between them. What one understands all the others understand.

"In literature which acknowledges the existence of esotericism humanity is usually divided into two circles only and the 'exoteric circle' as opposed to the 'esoteric,' is called ordinary life. In reality, as we see, the 'exoteric circle' is something very far from us and very high. For ordinary man this is already 'esotericism.'
So, again, the problem is to achieve the almost impossible: an esoteric group of colinear individuals. We need 200 people who have "attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an indivisible 'I,' all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man, and a free and independent will."

In this world of automatons and social programming, and techno-mind control, it's not an easy task.
 
Lisa said:
There are real truthseekers/tellers and then there is the larger, more networked, better organized opposition, the poser psychos and their human tools who have been working quite hard to stop the truth effort and to wipe out people like me.
Who, in your opinion, are the trustworthy? I would venture to guess there are infiltraitors in each particular group.
 
Melchizedek said:
Who, in your opinion, are the trustworthy? I would venture to guess there are infiltraitors in each particular group.
I think it's ok to say that it doesn't matter what Lisa's opinion is. Opinions are tricky things. Each single person's opinion is going to be subjective, due to each persons slightly different subjective filters and psychological buffers and programs. (sorry Lisa, even you ;) )

What matters is the truth - and it seems to be that the only way to approach any kind of objective truth is via a network as described by Ark and Laura, in which an understanding of these subjective mechanisms is reached. This allows feedback between many colinear individuals, in order to correct any one person's particular 'reading error'.

So... there are probably infiltrators all over the place, as you say, but discerning them is more about seeing the fruits of their actions - based on facts, rather than someone's opinion.

Lisa said:
There has been deliberate contention and confusion and misdirection created as to what the simplest and strongest arguments of the 4 flights ARE. This muddying of the waters is also by DESIGN.
so, if someone's actions consistently results in 'muddying the waters', then 'by their fruits you shall know them': that's a good case for an 'infiltrator' as Melchizedek puts it. But, even then there are all different kinds of things going on with some people deliberately setting up deceptive situations, and other people being 'used' in their weaknesses - a whole lotta stuff going on.

I'm currently reading 'Political Ponerology', and every single page is absolutely packed with descriptions of how this stuff works - its one of the densest books I've ever read. For anyone who wants to unravel the tangle of the so called 'truth movement', and become more immune to the crap that comes out of it, this book is a must read. (ok, I'm finished plugging the book now LOL)

0k, after saying all that, my opinion (!) is SOTT, too ;)


Lisa said:
There are real truthseekers/tellers and then there is the larger, more networked, better organized opposition, the poser psychos and their human tools who have been working quite hard to stop the truth effort and to wipe out people like me.

Unless there is excision of the OPPOSITION, there is no point in coordinating the efforts of both good and bad guys. That is what they would LOVE, to blend the two.
exactly! This reminds me a bit of the 'reversive blockade' manouvre Lobaczewsi describes

Lobaczewski said:
Reversive blockade: Emphatically insisting upon something
which is the opposite of the truth blocks the average person's
mind from perceiving the truth. In accordance with the dictates
of healthy common sense, he starts searching for meaning in
the "golden mean" between the truth and its opposite, winding
up with some satisfactory counterfeit. People who think like
this do not realize that this effect is precisely the intent of the
person who subjects them to this method. If the counterfeit of
the truth is the opposite of a moral truth, at the same time, it
simultaneously represents an extreme paramoralism, and bears
its peculiar suggestiveness.

We rarely see this method being used by normal people;
even if raised by the people who abused it; they usually only
indicate its results in their characteristic difficulties in appre-
hending reality properly. Use of this method can be included
within the above-mentioned special psychological knowledge
developed by psychopaths concerning the weaknesses of human
nature and the art of leading others into error. Where they
are in rule, this method is used with virtuosity, and to an extent
conterminous with their power.
so just as Lisa says, combining forces with cointelpro would end up with a 'middle ground' compromise, half way between any kind of truth that can possibly be found and a falsehood, so basically, its still a falsehood.
 
Melchizedek said:
Coordination takes people at the top.
a) coordination takes people of similar mind and intentions [involved in a common endeavour].
b) hierarchies seldom, at least IMO, make sense in any kind of human activity.
c) hierarchies never accrue the same benefits to all involved.
d) hierarchy implies a difference of intentions between the leading and the following.
e) hierarchy always implies coercion against those on the lower rungs, what in most cases lessens their effectivity in doing whatever they are supposed to do.
...
 
Melchizedek said:
Who, in your opinion, are the trustworthy?
I'd say it depends on how 'able' one is to discern the trustworthy. Basically it's common sense
knowledge.

Mouravieff speaks of this in his book 'Gnosis' (emphasis mine).

Excerpts taken from Boris Mouravieff's book 'Gnosis' Vol.2 Chap 6:

If there are still grounds for hope, is it not possible to determine the conditions for realizing our hope? In the first epistle to the Corinthians, St Paul indicates the best Way and the best gifts: Faith, Hope and Love.

The path that human beings and, finally, adamic humanity as a whole must follow on this Earth, is that which leads from the Love of the Absolute III, that RESIDUE of celestial Love,
to the Love of the Absolute II. This is the general requirement for Salvation.

This concerns the Way which leads to the resurrection or second Birth. But to be reborn the final test that man must pass is that of true Love. Only he who has mastered his Personality and burns with this Love can cross the second Threshold. And before he reaches this point the faithful, upheld by the ardent desire for Salvation, must pass through the intermediate stages. He must give proof of his Faith, then of Strength nourished by Hope. Before he attains Love, the novice must first acquire Discernment, and he cannot do this without having attained Knowledge. It is to this gnosis that St Paul refers when he describes the process in which each stage envelops and absorbs the stage or stages which precede it, and when he specifies that the passage from Hope to Love is marked by the renewal of the mind (intelligence), that is to say, by Knowledge.

This stage of gnosis would have been fully attained today, at the end of the Cycle of the Son, if Christ's mission, as it was first conceived and without the substitution formula, had not failed for the reasons explained in the previous chapter.

Jesus message had been timed for the beginning of the Cycle to which it was adapted. The Old Testament only spoke of Hope in terms of the Mystery of the Promise, revealed only to the initiated. Jesus, repeating the words of the Forerunner, announced the approach of the Kingdom of Heaven and addressed the Gospel of the Kingdom to the whole world.

The spread of the Word had the aim of facilitating the selection of interior men, to whom it was said: to you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God, but for the otbers, the exterior men, all is in parables. These interior men were to open the ways of the New Era. It is certainly true that the exterior men did not grasp the profound meaning of the parables. Jesus propounded to them and that, loving the praise of men more than the praise of God, they prevailed over the small nucleus of the new elite.

The hostility of the public authorities forced the Apostles and disciples to make unheard-of sacrifices, which they willingly accepted following in the steps of their Master, and at this cost the Word was propagated so that the darkness was not able to engulf it.

But the obstacles and delays to the spread of the Message created a particularly dangerous situation for humanity, because all that must be accomplished by terrestrial man in the Universe must be done within a specific time-limit. The irreversibility of Time applies even in the esoteric domain.

Instead of marching on from one spiritual victory to another on the way mapped out by Jesus, humanity underwent a fall. It became the victim of lower types of human mentality: of the calculation and (self-)interest which it eventually placed at the top of the scale of human values. Thus the gulf between moral and material progress gradually widened, a gulf which was
to become a grave obstacle to the practical application of the Gospel principles.

[...] There is only one sin which will not be forgiven, neither in this world neither in the world to come: it is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. In our times, this warning acquires a burning immediacy and we must pause to consider it attentively. If we glance backwards we will see that at the end of the Cycle of the Father, man had not redeemed the consequences of the first fall to the required measure, since the Son of Man came to save that which was lost. It is only too evident that the Cycle of the Son has not been a Christian cycle: the basic principles of Christianity: the love of God and the love of God in man, including our enemies, have never been applied except in a very limited way. This cycle is a tragic testimony of the unequal struggle in each of us between light and darkness. Yet with the passage of time, cycle by cycle, the degree of truth demanded of man continues to increase. We will soon return to this point. But even now we should ask the question: is humanity ready to face the passage to the Cycle of the Holy Spirit? Is there a ruling class and an elite-the distinction is essential - capable of leading it through this passage?

This is an agonizing question for all who are conscious of its urgency. Many of us can feel its urgency yet prefer to turn back towards the past. Basing our judgement on what has gone before, we continue to count on the forbearance God showed us on the occasion of the two previous falls. This is an error. Humanity has exhausted its credit. Its actions today must fulfil divine expectations.

[...] It is essential that all those who are preoccupied with the evolution of humanity, in the esoteric meaning of the word evolution, be vigilant. For it is from amongst them that the new elite must be recruited, collectively able to play a preparatory role analogous to that of the Forerunner. They must therefore watch to frustrate the actions of those who, consciously or unconsciously, serve the forces which wish to set back the progress of man. The Scriptures draw our attention to the need for such vigilance. We will have noticed that the Gospels of St Matthew and St Mark relate with precision the circumstances which led to the execution of John the Baptist. No detail in these reports is superfluous. Every detail is meant to show the powerful effects that human passions can have on esoteric work, and show how hidden forces know how to use, for their own ends, the full keyboard from the ambition of a Herodias to the charm of a Salome and the concupiscence she awakens. These texts are simultaneously a tale, a teaching, and a warning that we cannot afford to neglect.

[...] To free himself from that slavery in which the exterior man lives is a difficult task for him as he has not recovered from the first or second fall. Dominated by the 'A' influences, which he obstinately takes for Reality, he confuses the '1' of his Personality with his real 'I'. The Personality, which in fact clings to the 'F of the body, is most often ruled by the latter, particularly in the sexual domain. Those who must lead others do not generally escape from the rule of subjection to an undeveloped Personality. That is why one of the most urgent tasks is the formation of an elite capable of overturning the false scale of values established by the deified Personality.

On the other hand we must note that humanity today is in a situation even more critical than on the eve of the first or second fall. We have already specified that a decisive test awaits: the complete elimination of lying. The Era of the Holy Spirit excludes all compromise with Anti-Truth. Lying, in any form whatever, would be an unforgivable blasphemy which would automatically bring about a third fall. The outcome would be fatal, as already indicated in our analysis of the second epistle of the Apostle Peter, of which the following verse should be quoted once again:

The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens sball pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be felt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

We will still have reason for hope only if the forerunners of the coming Era are in a position to accomplish their work. As we said, the danger is greater today than it was on the eve of the second fall; on the other hand, the risks of a check to the forerunners seem to be less than those that threatened John the Baptist, for he had to fulfil his task alone. Today the work of the forerunners is a collective work, and this very fact allows us to think that it might lead to a successful outcome. But we cannot deny that it will be an arduous task. It must be carried out in a mileu where conditions are, so to say, inverted with regard to what they were at the time of the first Coming: the chosen people then refused to render unto Ceasar what they thought belonged to God. Today, man does not want to render unto God what he thinks belongs to the Cxsar of our times, that is to say, to the deified human Personality. The deification of the Personality has acquired, one might also say, a universal character that is still more dangerous in its unacknowledged forms. Whether they belong to the capitalist or communist world, people today are unanimous in glorifying the human Personality. This is the major obstacle that the forerunners of today must surmount.

According to St Paul, before reaching the stage of Love, the very nature of the Cycle of the Holy Spirit, Faith, the essence of the Cycle of the Father, and Hope, the sign of the Cycle of the Son, must dissolve in gtiosis, in Knowledge (Connaisance): the gateway to Love. Knowledge reestablishes the true scale of values, and the result is that it subordinates the Personality to the real 'I'.

At the same time, the acquisition of Knowledge is not without danger, It can make pride swell in the feeble heart of man, and this pride makes all esoteric evolution impossible. The track leading to Knowledge is narrow and runs along a precipice.

Only Personalities magnetized by a sufficiently developed magnetic centre can start forward on this way without great risk, because here the law expressed by Jesus applies in its full force: For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.

Knowledge is only a temporary or intermediate stage: it cannot be deified. Only Love reveals the divine nature: it springs from God, for God is Love. Gnosis is an outer staircase that leads the faithful to Christ's Palace: to the Kingdom of God. In that sense, it is the Forerunner-Spirit which presides over the esoteric work of the faithful, the work which must open the gates to the Era of the Holy Spirit just as John the Baptist's work should have made strait the ways leading to Cycle of the Son.

These efforts accomplished under the sign of Knowledge must fun two essential conditions.

The first is that they must be correctly oriented. For this esoteric work must lead to a liberation from lying.

Without this there is no possible access to the Era of the Holy Spirit. The forerunners should not fail in that area, where the rule formulated by Jesus is applied in all its severity,: whoever puts his hand to the plough and looks back is not fit for the kingdom of God If this condition is not fulfilled, if the forerunners allow themselves once again to be attracted by the illusions of the 'World' and the Personality, they would not be true precursors, and their efforts would necessarily be doomed to failure.

The second condition is that the preparatory work must be fertilized by the gifts of Faith and Hope so that it can develop to the accomplishment of Knowledge. It is easy to understand that Faith and Hope must animate those who now devote themselves to or will devote themselves to this work of preparation. But for their work to be crowned with success within the allotted time, each of these workers and all of them together must be impregnated with Hope and burning with Love. Only in such a state is It possible for them to come to this Knowledge (Connaisance) and to give it the disinterested character which opens the ways of Love as it expresses Itself on a higher plane. For Faith and Hope are the first fruits and qualities of Love, which 'believeth all things and hopeth all things.

In the third part of this Volume we shall specify exactly the esoteric meaning of both these words, Faith and Hope, in their positive aspect. From a negative point of view the absence of faith generates suspicion and cuts off any zeal; while a lack of hope chains us to the present and prevents any expansion of thought and heart.

[...] We may hope that this development of Knowledge, if it occurs, will pass beyond limited esoteric circles and have an influence on man's major decisions, decisions oriented toward cosmic interests. To be more exact, let us say that esoteric work tends to facilitate the task of humanity in two essential aspects: in the first place, the Accoivplishment in the Cycle of the Holy Spirit, by attaining the deuterocosmic form of Love; in the second place, the conscious participation of humanity - at first limited to an elite but then extended to everyone - in developing the Ray of Creation. The divine action favours the attainment of these aims: it works in the depths at certain points from which it radiates to reach the whole of humanity. For this it uses Revelation, which gives man the possibility of penetrating further and further into himself, towards the Real, by developing his Personality to the second Birth. History testifies that the Word is spread by the mediation of those who have reached the level of interior man. From Palestine, the Gospel spread to the Greek world, to Asia Minor, then to the Gentiles of the Roman Empire and through them to Europe and North Africa. No matter what judgement we may bring on the hegemony of Europe during recent centuries, the expansion which accompanied it has allowed Christ's message to be spread over all the earth. The techniques it has introduced or developed have realized many of the conditions necessary for the Accomplishment, such as the newborn planetary consciousness, the growth of population, etc. The Divinity uses man's ambitions and passions for His own aims, but the realization of His ends often seems to be merely a by-product of the most un-idealistic human actions.

[...] All today's problems are on a planetary scale. There is no human action, at any point of the globe, that does not have world-wide repercussions. Things that only recently would have been considered as a serious attitude in political or social domains now seem to be dangerously frivolous. In relations between peoples, it has become criminal - the word is not too strong - to use formulx that were appropriate during the Cycle of the Father or even that of the Son. To continue obstinately in this way would lead humanity to the third fall with its disastrous consequences.

The responsibility of those in public authority is great since, as in Jesus' time, their attitude will be decisive. When the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, the intermediate period in which we live will come to an end and we will have to choose. For the time being we can only say that the great controversies of our time, whether in political, economic or social realms, are imperceptibly losing their significance. These are already the quarrels of the old order, the notions of 'right' and 'left', of capitalism and communism, are already outmoded in principle. Soon they will be History. We cannot predict what decision will be taken by the men in office at that dreadful hour. But that decision cannot ensure the salvation of humanity unless those responsible are at that moment conscious of the cosmic role the human being is called upon to play in the divine plan.
 
While the above is a good example of setting general principles in esoteric terms, there is also a practical aspect. See:

Energy, Groups Transduce:

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=286

Esoteric, Mesoteric, Exoteric:

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=13

An important part of this practical aspect is being played by Research, Sharing Knowledge and Networking within a colinear group.
 
The above two most recent posts are all well and fine, but how do you rally the people to make noise in an organized manner? Noise and lots of it is what works with the "leader" type. It seems our government has almost completely stopped fearing us. How do we put the fear back into them? Surely not the election process.

Do we go in like BushCo to Iraq? Its not just gonna happen.

"I apprehend no danger to our country from a foreign foe. Our destruction, should it
come at all, will be from another quarter. From the inattention of the people to the
concerns of their government. From their carelessness and negligence I must confess that I
do apprehend some danger. I feel that they may place to implicit a confidence in their
public servants and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct, that in this way
they may be made the dupes of designing men and become the instruments of their own
undoing. Make them intelligent, and they will be vigilant. Give them the means of detecting
the wrong, and they will apply the remedy"
- Daniel Webster
 
ark said:
While the above is a good example of setting general principles in esoteric terms, there is also a practical aspect. See:

Energy, Groups Transduce:

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=286

Esoteric, Mesoteric, Exoteric:

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=13

An important part of this practical aspect is being played by Research, Sharing Knowledge and Networking within a colinear group.
I am just wondering about "The Thinker" avater ... I tried adopting that pose.
has anyone tried that? to think?
The statue looks very worried, rather than thinking.
I just wonder if that is a good pose or not?

I do like the statue a lot. I just thought about how people go about thinking and their human poses.

I think a thinker might cross their legs and arms a lot more, to centre themselves, well, I do.

Anyway, just a thought about a wonderful, famous statue.

Can't help on how we can help ourselves. Apart from positive thoughts, and not neglecting negitive thoughts, cos we are all part of the whole.

hey, this is a hard subject... the answer we are all given is love... so... that is all I can say for now. ( and now is all and everywhere...)
 
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