Fester
Jedi
The Game: Penetrating the secret society of Pick-up Artists
By Neil Strauss
(blurb from wikipedia)
"Strauss stumbles across the community while working on an article.[1] Intrigued by the subculture, he starts participating in the online discussion groups, mainly out of his own frustration with his romantic life. As he becomes more and more involved in the romantic community, Strauss attends a "Bootcamp" conducted by Mystery. The bootcamp consists of Strauss and other participants approaching women and then Mystery and his counterpart Sin giving them corrective advice on their behaviors, body language, and what to say.
The book then narrates the journey of how Strauss goes through the various stages of becoming a Pick-up artist, description about the various members of the community and how Strauss befriends many of the members, particularly Mystery. A good deal of the book focuses on how to obtain the elusive upper hand, or just hand, in a relationship. He also narrates his success, the spreading of the romantic community itself and his life at "Project Hollywood", a high end mansion and a lifestyle plan shared by Strauss, Mystery, Playboy, Papa, Tyler Durden, Herbal, and other members of the seduction community, and how rivalries and animosity between various members of the community lead to "Project Hollywood's" collapse. The book also documents the start of Real Social Dynamics with Tyler Durden and Papa.
The book also narrates Strauss' experiments with sleeping habits, personal grooming and his meetings with celebrities such as Tom Cruise, Courtney Love and Britney Spears."
Now, I don't suppose that there will be many, if any, people on here who've read this. I think there's probably many who should, particularly women who want to find out more about how predators spot, approach, open, and pick up their victims.
I read it out of curiosity (about 5 years ago), thinking it was probably BS, and if not, maybe I could learn some things. (I borrowed it again so my partner could read it. She was amused, shocked, horrified, and very glad she'd read it.)
It is not BS. I put it here because predator and psychopath are often the same thing. All psychos seem to be predators, but not necessarily vice-versa. This book is chock-full of sad examples of men learning to lie and manipulate more effectively for the purposes of sex. It is kinda sad and pathetic in places, such as reading about the men who learn the techniques, can get ten phone numbers a night, and still don't have a girlfriend. Salesmen who can't close the deal. These would be the ordinary boys who, like most males, have no clear idea of what it means to be a man anymore, and have taken lessons inspired or taught by psychopaths. They can't close the deal because they end up so similar to a psychopath- pseudo-men with no real depth or substance.
Don't underestimate these techniques- one can tell just by reading and considering them that they would be quite effective, and that's without learning the secret things he was not allowed to relate. Hypnotism and NLP, for instance. As an example of their effectiveness: I'm sure everyone's heard about Paris Hilton's infamous sex tape, "One Night In Paris'? The man who picked her up and filmed it was one of Neil Strauss' students, using Neil's own techniques word-for-word. (It was 'Papa', mentioned in the blurb.)
I am absolutely NOT recommending that anyone read this and attempt to become a pick-up artist. That's a fast way to become another of the disturbed, depressed misfit men that this book is full of. (Or worse. 'Tyler Durden' is a psychopath. No doubt in my mind.)
I DO recommend reading it as an insight into the minds of men and women, and if you are a lonely single bloke, then sure, learn from it- just be very careful. It does have lots of good tips if you are socially awkward, or find it difficult to talk to women. This is the reason that most of these men do it, to begin with. It gets darker rather quickly, though, and you get the distinct feeling that most, nearly all, of the men in the book end up basically using it as a tool for revenge, to use and abuse other women to make up for every time they were turned down or embarrassed.
Overall, though, for most men who would try this, it is simply a guide to becoming a predator, if not a complete psychopath. It is about putting in a lot of (worthwhile) effort into becoming or emulating an alpha-male, but then it's about learning to APPEAR be an impressive, attractive, interesting person on first impression... all for the very shallow and unfulfilling purpose of getting her to go to bed with you.
I hope this post is taken in the spirit it is intended. Oh, and I have not ever used these techniques and have no intention to. Picking up and getting laid is rather easy anyway. I have no interest in casual sex. It's not worth the hassle, the inconvenience, the cost, the next morning awkwardness... It does nothing to help relieve the feelings of loneliness. And, sex is incomparably better when it is with someone you love deeply, when it is not sex but actually making love.
IMO, this book is a great help for learning to spot and avoid predators, particularly the younger crowd who are more likely to be targeted by sexual predators in bars/clubs, supermarkets etc.
By Neil Strauss
(blurb from wikipedia)
"Strauss stumbles across the community while working on an article.[1] Intrigued by the subculture, he starts participating in the online discussion groups, mainly out of his own frustration with his romantic life. As he becomes more and more involved in the romantic community, Strauss attends a "Bootcamp" conducted by Mystery. The bootcamp consists of Strauss and other participants approaching women and then Mystery and his counterpart Sin giving them corrective advice on their behaviors, body language, and what to say.
The book then narrates the journey of how Strauss goes through the various stages of becoming a Pick-up artist, description about the various members of the community and how Strauss befriends many of the members, particularly Mystery. A good deal of the book focuses on how to obtain the elusive upper hand, or just hand, in a relationship. He also narrates his success, the spreading of the romantic community itself and his life at "Project Hollywood", a high end mansion and a lifestyle plan shared by Strauss, Mystery, Playboy, Papa, Tyler Durden, Herbal, and other members of the seduction community, and how rivalries and animosity between various members of the community lead to "Project Hollywood's" collapse. The book also documents the start of Real Social Dynamics with Tyler Durden and Papa.
The book also narrates Strauss' experiments with sleeping habits, personal grooming and his meetings with celebrities such as Tom Cruise, Courtney Love and Britney Spears."
Now, I don't suppose that there will be many, if any, people on here who've read this. I think there's probably many who should, particularly women who want to find out more about how predators spot, approach, open, and pick up their victims.
I read it out of curiosity (about 5 years ago), thinking it was probably BS, and if not, maybe I could learn some things. (I borrowed it again so my partner could read it. She was amused, shocked, horrified, and very glad she'd read it.)
It is not BS. I put it here because predator and psychopath are often the same thing. All psychos seem to be predators, but not necessarily vice-versa. This book is chock-full of sad examples of men learning to lie and manipulate more effectively for the purposes of sex. It is kinda sad and pathetic in places, such as reading about the men who learn the techniques, can get ten phone numbers a night, and still don't have a girlfriend. Salesmen who can't close the deal. These would be the ordinary boys who, like most males, have no clear idea of what it means to be a man anymore, and have taken lessons inspired or taught by psychopaths. They can't close the deal because they end up so similar to a psychopath- pseudo-men with no real depth or substance.
Don't underestimate these techniques- one can tell just by reading and considering them that they would be quite effective, and that's without learning the secret things he was not allowed to relate. Hypnotism and NLP, for instance. As an example of their effectiveness: I'm sure everyone's heard about Paris Hilton's infamous sex tape, "One Night In Paris'? The man who picked her up and filmed it was one of Neil Strauss' students, using Neil's own techniques word-for-word. (It was 'Papa', mentioned in the blurb.)
I am absolutely NOT recommending that anyone read this and attempt to become a pick-up artist. That's a fast way to become another of the disturbed, depressed misfit men that this book is full of. (Or worse. 'Tyler Durden' is a psychopath. No doubt in my mind.)
I DO recommend reading it as an insight into the minds of men and women, and if you are a lonely single bloke, then sure, learn from it- just be very careful. It does have lots of good tips if you are socially awkward, or find it difficult to talk to women. This is the reason that most of these men do it, to begin with. It gets darker rather quickly, though, and you get the distinct feeling that most, nearly all, of the men in the book end up basically using it as a tool for revenge, to use and abuse other women to make up for every time they were turned down or embarrassed.
Overall, though, for most men who would try this, it is simply a guide to becoming a predator, if not a complete psychopath. It is about putting in a lot of (worthwhile) effort into becoming or emulating an alpha-male, but then it's about learning to APPEAR be an impressive, attractive, interesting person on first impression... all for the very shallow and unfulfilling purpose of getting her to go to bed with you.
I hope this post is taken in the spirit it is intended. Oh, and I have not ever used these techniques and have no intention to. Picking up and getting laid is rather easy anyway. I have no interest in casual sex. It's not worth the hassle, the inconvenience, the cost, the next morning awkwardness... It does nothing to help relieve the feelings of loneliness. And, sex is incomparably better when it is with someone you love deeply, when it is not sex but actually making love.
IMO, this book is a great help for learning to spot and avoid predators, particularly the younger crowd who are more likely to be targeted by sexual predators in bars/clubs, supermarkets etc.
