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Bud said:
Why not? All I'm talking about is knowing the difference between seeing what is there and only what is there and the alternative of using the conventional perception. That is to say, taking the traits and characteristics you've abstracted from those people who you know and have categorized as human and then projecting them onto a life form not yet capable of manifesting such traits and characteristics.
I think you need more than that since a baby a short time after birth doesn't have much noticible difference from the fetus a short time before birth.
 
anart said:
Leo40 said:
Why do you think this is interesting?

I think it's interesting, if the data is actually accurate. It's really unfortunate though that the 'environment' section is about 'global warming' - makes me question the veracity of ALL of their data if they missed the boat so completely on that one.

Yea and on my screen, the forest remaining has no commas, i.e. is 3899166408, instead of 3,899,166,408, has less impact when no commas, but with commas one would draw the conclusion that there is plenty of forest left...
 
Bluelamp said:
I think you need more than that since a baby a short time after birth doesn't have much noticible difference from the fetus a short time before birth.

Sorry, I'm not following you very well. "need more than that" for what? Deciding when an abortion should not be performed? If so, perhaps part of the problem is linguistic. "Should" implies a mandatory obligation or a state of high likelihood.

Which female is obligated to carry all pregnancies to full term and then give birth?

Which male or female is obligated to prevent a female's decision to abort or not?

As I see it, it's the female's choice as can be confirmed by mere observation. In order to persuade the female differently, I would have to form a "protector" self around an idea whose function would be to prevent the female's intended action.

What could be the 'idea' around which I would rally my energy and then proceed with my function, keeping in mind that "he who makes an assertion has the burden of proof"?


With regard to the issue of abortion, in general, unless asked by the female in question, my tendency is to leave it to her. The question of "soul or no soul" cannot be answered, it seems, so on the soul issue, I lean toward:

"Whereof one cannot speak,
thereof, one must be silent".

~Ludwig Wittgenstein~
 
Bud said:
Bluelamp said:
I think you need more than that since a baby a short time after birth doesn't have much noticible difference from the fetus a short time before birth.
Sorry, I'm not following you very well. "need more than that" for what? Deciding when an abortion should not be performed? If so, perhaps part of the problem is linguistic. "Should" implies a mandatory obligation or a state of high likelihood.

What could be the 'idea' around which I would rally my energy and then proceed with my function, keeping in mind that "he who makes an assertion has the burden of proof"?
I was just thinking about the related science. At about 6 weeks you get the first brain waves and at 12 weeks the brain gets very close to full size. So the "more" would be science. I think of the soul as a previous worldline joining the brain's worldline (a superposition of electrons perhaps).

My wife is very pro-life; in fact she went through with a pregnancy that was dangerous for her and had zero chance medically for the babies surviving for long after birth. The problem wasn't found until after 12 weeks so my current view wouldn't have been a consideration even if I had it then (I didn't).
 
Very interesting thread, indeed even more now, since yesterday my sister told me that she is pregnant.
This should be her third baby but the embryo died on the beginning. The pregnancy is still active she said, because the placenta is still producing hormones.
WIKI-
Miscarriage or spontaneous abortion is the spontaneous end of a pregnancy at a stage where the embryo or fetus is incapable of surviving independently, generally defined in humans at prior to 20 weeks of gestation. Miscarriage is the most common complication of early pregnancy.

So she have to go to the hospital in January and finish the pregnancy.
She asked me also about this short incarnation, what the cassiopaeans will say about.
I was searching the forum but this thread came alone, so I decided to put it here, and if anybody have some information about what casiopaeans said about embryo or when the incarnation start, it would be very helpful.

In 2010 in another channeling forum (have no access anymore and it could be misinformation) in the channel material was said, that
The incarnation or enter the soul in to the body, begins in the moment of cut the umbilical cord (also called the birth cord or funiculus umbilicalis)
What do you think about it?

There are 66 themes with "embryo" but not from cassiopaeans.
 
I'm sorry to hear about your sister's pregnancy, Kaigen. My condolences.

I'm not sure if the C's have commented on it, but from my readings over the years, I've come to the tentative understanding that the "soul is incarnated at birth." Maybe, it could be thought of as the soul is on "standby" until birth? Others may have more information to share with you.
 
SeekinTruth said:
I'm sorry to hear about your sister's pregnancy, Kaigen. My condolences.

I'm not sure if the C's have commented on it, but from my readings over the years, I've come to the tentative understanding that the "soul is incarnated at birth." Maybe, it could be thought of as the soul is on "standby" until birth? Others may have more information to share with you.

Thank you, SeekinTruth.
 
Hi Kaigen,

Very sorry to hear of your sister's pregnancy. I had 2 miscarriages prior to my son's birth.

Some years ago I read a book which I think was by Dr Helen Wambaugh and I think it was called Life before Life, she did a group hypnosis test, and one of her questions to the subjects under hypnosis was "at what time during the pregnancy did you enter the fetus", the answers were varied, some said at conception, some said in the first few months, some even said they jumped in at the last minute in the birth canal, it was an interesting read.

After reading about this it gave me some comfort to think my pregnancies were just not meant to eventuate at that time.

Just found this on the net, you might find it interesting.

_http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html
 
Sorry to hear about your sister Kaigen :(

Lindenlea said:
Hi Kaigen,

Very sorry to hear of your sister's pregnancy. I had 2 miscarriages prior to my son's birth.

Some years ago I read a book which I think was by Dr Helen Wambaugh and I think it was called Life before Life, she did a group hypnosis test, and one of her questions to the subjects under hypnosis was "at what time during the pregnancy did you enter the fetus", the answers were varied, some said at conception, some said in the first few months, some even said they jumped in at the last minute in the birth canal, it was an interesting read.

After reading about this it gave me some comfort to think my pregnancies were just not meant to eventuate at that time.

Just found this on the net, you might find it interesting.

_http://www.carolmoore.net/articles/helenwambach.html

In "Life between Life" by Joel L Whitton, something similar is also said. He works with regression, and his book is mainly about the in between life states, as the title states. The response from his hypnotised subjects regarding when the soul actually entered the body varied, some reported it more towards the beginning of the pregnancy, others just before the birth, others right after the birth.

Of course we can only speculate, but interesting possibilities nevertheless.
 
I think it is most interesting that on the subject of deaths there is no mention of iatrogenesis (medically induced error) even though by some accounts this is now the leading cause of death in the US.

_http://civilisationis.com/medicine/usamed.htm
 
:) Thank you all for your answers I will bring it to my sister and tell here to not worry and life keep going.
I will also check the recommended books.
 
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