Yellowstone Bison Running For Their Lives - Fake ?

I can see what ametist is trying to say. Apparently, sometimes the grey road(along with the light combination) can create an optical illusion that makes those bison look like they are not really stepping on the road, it feels like they are floating on an invisible layer pasted over the road(sometimes visible when the greenscreening effect doesn't look so well). But IMO the video is very real.
 
Odyssey said:
Nicolas said:
Couldn't help but notice the bison were so kind to keep to the right on the road.

Yes, very kind of them.

Just to add a some bones to the stew...there's a couple of vids posted about people have dreams of Yellowstone erupting:

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFhJ9OFS5Vs#t=27

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sylZ1PGomkQ

Regardless of the dreams and the questionable context of the running bison, things are happening at Yellowstone that deserve watching.

I had a dream about Yellowstone... weeks ago. Needless to say, the volcano erupted.
 
I think the Elk are missing too. But, there is always the possibility that the Buff`s were running from wolves so I think this is just another "wait and see" event, at least for the moment.
 
Published on Mar 23, 2014


Nearly one quarter of the northern elk herd at Yellowstone National Park is missing, according to the annual winter count, but biologists aren't sure if there's been a stunning decline in the herd or if other factors have skewed the tally. Current Helium releases at 1000 times above normal. Complete media blackout. Herds of bison running for their lives on the public roadways and they were not being chased or rounded up, the bison were running down the mountain slopes onto roadways running right past a filming crew. They detect something vast and deadly. The Yellowstone Supervolcano is the only thing there that would fit the bill. Watch the animals and watch them close, they will always give you a heads up before an event. Very strange, is the caldera about to blow?
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And here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEH58QvFH0w
 
And here we have a park ranger telling us that animals do leave the park to find food in the winter, but I`m not sure the recent video of the running buff`s fits the bill for that explanation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1vwuBA6Gfk
 
Menrva said:
Looks like this is the original poster on YouTube. If it's fake, it's a good one.


Published on Mar 14, 2014
by Yellowstone Leo

March 14, 2014 -- This herd of Yellowstone National Park Bison dashes from Mammoth Hot Springs eastward along the roadway and deeper into the park. If the herd matriarch gets the urge to run, she will ... and the entire herd will run to keep up. Sometimes I can tell, I can feel that this running is a celebration of life -- running for the sheer joy of being able to.

In short, nothing particular was said about it except that it was a cool video made by some folks driving along the road (the reason the bison keep to the other side) and it's been co-opted for engendering panic.

I went through it several times stopping and starting over and over and yeah, in some frames, their feet are above the ground - normal for trotting animals. In many others, feet were firmly in contact with surface of ground.

See cantering horse in slo-mo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25n9Aim7NT0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFVo1VcYKDY


But, okay, it could be CGI, I just don't see any point in it. I think it's just a video of bison trotting along in a particular direction for ordinary reasons that has been used to create a scare.

I mean, look at this one:

 
Meager1 said:
Published on Mar 23, 2014


Nearly one quarter of the northern elk herd at Yellowstone National Park is missing, according to the annual winter count, but biologists aren't sure if there's been a stunning decline in the herd or if other factors have skewed the tally.


Even if true this might be a long term trend rather than something more immediate, here's the full article from 3 years ago which questions the accuracy of the counts :-
Annual Count Shows Huge Decline In Yellowstone National Park Elk Herd, But How Accurate Is It?

Nearly one-quarter of the northern elk herd at Yellowstone National Park is missing, according to the annual winter count, but biologists aren't sure if there's been a stunning decline in the herd or if other factors have skewed the tally.

During an aerial survey in late December biologists counted 4,635 elk, a 24 percent decline from the 6,070 animals counted a year earlier. While the one-year decline seems dramatic, Doug Smith, Yellowstone's wolf project leader, said a number of factors lead him to question "how good this count is."

Heavy snows in November and December could have pushed many elk out of the park, he said, and the aerial tally, which normally has an error rate anywhere from 10 percent to 50 percent, could have been significantly off.

Elk are among the iconic animals that Yellowstone tourists expect to see during vacations to the park. The northern herd -- one of the park's seven elk herds -- is particularly photogenic, with small bands milling around park headquarters at Mammoth Hot Springs and larger numbers readily seen in the rolling grasslands that rim the park road that winds from Mammoth Hot Springs to Cooke City just beyond the park's northeastern entrance.

When Yellowstone officials ceased artificially capping the herd at roughly 3,000-4,000 animals back in 1967, there was a population explosion that saw the northern herd expand to nearly 20,000 animals, Dr. Smith noted Wednesday during a telephone conversation.

That number steadily has been coming down through the last decade or so, in part due to more predators in the park than in past decades. Wolves were returned to Yellowstone beginning in 1995 to restore the park's full complement of predators, and mountain lions also found their way back on their own. Those two predators, along with ever-opportunistic grizzly bears, have helped tamp down the elk numbers, the wildlife biologist said.

Hunting in Montana just beyond the northern range also plays a role in population control. (Come winter, as many as half of the elk in the northern herd head to lower ground; in this case, Montana, according to park officials.)

Dr. Smith can't accept that predation alone has cut nearly a quarter of the northern herd, especially not when the park's wolf population is ebbing due to disease. In the park's northern range just 37 resident wolves were counted last year, according to park officials.

"Is predation a factor? Absolutely, a huge one. But we can't weight it," he said. "The feedback is that it's all wolves, and that's not the case."

Heavy snows in late November and early December "could have changed the elk distribution entirely. And about half the time we do the count in January or February. So we have an unusual snow amount, and the timing is different."

Yet another factor is the hunting season in Montana.

"This unusual snow event pushed a lot of elk out of the park, and they had a really good hunting season, said Dr. Smith.

Another factor that could be in play is climate change. A drier Yellowstone means less forage for elk, which means cows head into the rut with less fat reserves to help them through both winter and their pregnancies. As a result, reproduction can fall. While this past fall and early winter was wet, the trend during the past 15 years has been drought, according to the wildlife biologist.

At the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife, & Parks, Livingston-based wildlife biologist Karen Loveless agreed the early snow did push elk out of the park and into Montana. But she couldn't say large numbers of Yellowstone elk made the migration.

"We had early heavy snowfall. That occurred toward the end of the general season. In the early hunting season we had light harvest, then the last 10 days, two weeks we did have substantial bull harvest," Ms. Loveless said, adding, though, that "I honestly doubt that the harvest that we had down there could account for the drop in the numbers.”

The Montana biologist also said that during her flights over the hunting districts just north of Yellowstone she didn't notice an inordinate number of elk moving out of the park. If there was a big movement, she had no idea where they might have gone to be out of sight.

“Obviously, it’s deep snow and it's mountainous and there’s not another winter range that I think they would move to," said Ms. Loveless.

“The only possibility is if they continued further north up the Paradise Valley," she said, only to add that, "I've been flying over that and haven’t seen a substantial number of elk up there.”

According to a park news release, there has been about a 70 percent drop in the herd's size since 1995, when there were 16,791 elk counted. That was the same year the wolf recovery program came to Yellowstone.

"Predation by wolves and grizzly bears is cited as the major reason for the decline in elk numbers," the release noted. "Wolves in northern Yellowstone prey primarily on elk. Also, predation on newborn elk calves by grizzly bears may limit the elk population’s ability to recover from these losses."

When asked why Yellowstone officials opted to put out a news release describing a 24 percent decline in the northern herd when the tally was in question, Dr. Smith was quick to answer.

"Transparency. Honesty. Many people think we're lying and trying to do a cover-up to hide the effects of wolves, so the only way to dispel those myths is full disclosure of what you get," he said.

While park officials are debating whether to do another count this winter, Dr. Smith said there's one positive if the decline noted in December proves true.

"If there's a silver lining here, it's a smaller, healthier elk herd," he pointed out.

http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2011/01/annual-count-shows-huge-decline-yellowstone-national-park-elk-herd-how-accurate-it7458
 
I think bison tend to run around quite a bit, so I think a couple of videos of a herd doing that is inconsequential. I think it is time to panic if we see wolves and bears running along side of them. I also found it rather pleasant to see them move like that.
 
Laura said:
I went through it several times stopping and starting over and over and yeah, in some frames, their feet are above the ground - normal for trotting animals. In many others, feet were firmly in contact with surface of ground.

But, okay, it could be CGI, I just don't see any point in it. I think it's just a video of bison trotting along in a particular direction for ordinary reasons that has been used to create a scare.

It could be a crudest CGI ever and it doesn't matter, because as is stated above the interpretation and context here are key.

It cannot support the claim going with it is all I wanted to say but somehow got at it completely backasswards causing the very pointless distraction I was on about, wasting everyone's precious time. Stupid! Should've thought twice.

My apologies for the noise.

:deadhorse:
 
ametist I didn't think it was a waste of time if something was learned from it. For those of us who are new to 'digging up the truth' it is useful to bring things that seem like a red flag to the forum for discussion. It helps us learn to be more discerning. Or so it seems to me :)
 
Arwenn said:
ametist I didn't think it was a waste of time if something was learned from it.

You're right. I guess for me it was the restraint in waving red flags all over the place :rolleyes: exactly-to make the discussion more fruitful.

And I'm glad if it became a learning curve for anyone else as well.
 
ametist said:
Laura said:
I went through it several times stopping and starting over and over and yeah, in some frames, their feet are above the ground - normal for trotting animals. In many others, feet were firmly in contact with surface of ground.

But, okay, it could be CGI, I just don't see any point in it. I think it's just a video of bison trotting along in a particular direction for ordinary reasons that has been used to create a scare.

It could be a crudest CGI ever and it doesn't matter, because as is stated above the interpretation and context here are key.

It cannot support the claim going with it is all I wanted to say but somehow got at it completely backasswards causing the very pointless distraction I was on about, wasting everyone's precious time. Stupid! Should've thought twice.

My apologies for the noise.

:deadhorse:

What is this feeling? I have it sometimes also... What were you feeling when you were writing the above post?
 
luke wilson said:
What is this feeling? I have it sometimes also... What were you feeling when you were writing the above post?

My predator's mind produced three feelings, two of which diametrically opposed, all stemming from self-importance:
shame, self-contempt vs. pride:
|for incompetence| |of humbly admitting a mistake, seeing the incompetence|

and a fear,driving the impression-management, wanting to reestablish myself as someone competent.

And what my other mind produced, concurrently:
I (oh god, which I?) think, it was an empathy based (I thought mainly of Laura, in the midst of her work for all of us, driven to dissect some video that I called fake when it didn't even matter) honest urge to apologize for the incompetence to her, and all concerned in order to prevent further distraction.

It took me a good while to write this down, and I felt insecure during that.It's what I remembered...

It this what you had in mind? Is this what you saw? What would you say, precipitated most in this post?

What would you call this yourself ?

I am very curious..You have shot me dead with this one :umm:
 
ametist said:
luke wilson said:
What is this feeling? I have it sometimes also... What were you feeling when you were writing the above post?

My predator's mind produced three feelings, two of which diametrically opposed, all stemming from self-importance:
shame, self-contempt vs. pride:
|for incompetence| |of humbly admitting a mistake, seeing the incompetence|

and a fear,driving the impression-management, wanting to reestablish myself as someone competent.

And what my other mind produced, concurrently:
I (oh god, which I?) think, it was an empathy based (I thought mainly of Laura, in the midst of her work for all of us, driven to dissect some video that I called fake when it didn't even matter) honest urge to apologize for the incompetence to her, and all concerned.

It took me a good while to write this down, and I felt insecure during that.It's what I remembered...

It this what you had in mind? Is this what you saw? What would you say, precipitated most in this post?

What would you call this yourself ?

I am very curious..You have shot me dead with this one :umm:

Look at all the learning coming out of this ametist. Thank you for being so brutally honest, as I resonated with some of the insights you write about above. Now I need to do a bit of introspection myself...
 
Arwenn said:
Look at all the learning coming out of this ametist. Thank you for being so brutally honest, as I resonated with some of the insights you write about above. Now I need to do a bit of introspection myself...

I see it. And I see my predator's mind continuously hijacking it. woah. gotta go to sleep.
 
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