Zero Dark Thirty

[meta-agnostic]

Is anyone going to bite the bullet and see this? I can't imagine it being an enjoyable experience. But now is when the awards are being given out and people are talking about it. The suggestions of it being pro-torture seem to be the main point of contention, never mind most of the events of the past decade being either fictional or entirely misrepresented. Part of me really wants to be able to pick it apart but it feels like doing homework for a class where everyone has deliberately signed up to not learn anything. Same old story of strategic enclosure and external considering I guess, but exposure to this kind of blatant propaganda sometimes opens a window where people can be reasoned with.

It's about the events leading up to and the raid that allegedly killed Osama bin Laden, for anyone fortunate enough not to live mired in the propaganda machine.

 

[anart]

Is anyone going to bite the bullet and see this? I can't imagine it being an enjoyable experience. But now is when the awards are being given out and people are talking about it. The suggestions of it being pro-torture seem to be the main point of contention, never mind most of the events of the past decade being either fictional or entirely misrepresented. Part of me really wants to be able to pick it apart but it feels like doing homework for a class where everyone has deliberately signed up to not learn anything. Same old story of strategic enclosure and external considering I guess, but exposure to this kind of blatant propaganda sometimes opens a window where people can be reasoned with.

It's about the events leading up to and the raid that allegedly killed Osama bin Laden, for anyone fortunate enough not to live mired in the propaganda machine.

I can't imagine why anyone would choose to pay money to sit through two hours of war propaganda, but that's just me.

 

[meta-agnostic]

I can't imagine why anyone would choose to pay money to sit through two hours of war propaganda, but that's just me.

I was thinking if it somehow came on TV and I had nothing better to do I might watch it, but it will be a while before that could happen. This would be an instance where I don't think obtaining a pirated copy would be considered morally wrong. Maybe one of those screeners that get distributed among the Hollywood Illuminati close to awards time? Anyone know any Hollywood Illuminati?

 

[anart]

I can't imagine why anyone would choose to pay money to sit through two hours of war propaganda, but that's just me.

I was thinking if it somehow came on TV and I had nothing better to do I might watch it, but it will be a while before that could happen. This would be an instance where I don't think obtaining a pirated copy would be considered morally wrong. Maybe one of those screeners that get distributed among the Hollywood Illuminati close to awards time? Anyone know any Hollywood Illuminati?

You're joking, right? Using a :) at the end of your post would help clarify if you are, it at least usually helps. What do you mean by "hollywood illuminati"?

 

[Gimpy]

Is anyone going to bite the bullet and see this?

No. There are some movies I refuse to endorse or view even when others offer to pay the way for me. (In this case, a few people have offered to take me in mistaken kindness.)

It will probably end up being given to me as a Christmas gift this year by one of my nephews.

(In which case I'll throw it in the trash where it belongs.)

 

[meta-agnostic]

I can't imagine why anyone would choose to pay money to sit through two hours of war propaganda, but that's just me.

I was thinking if it somehow came on TV and I had nothing better to do I might watch it, but it will be a while before that could happen. This would be an instance where I don't think obtaining a pirated copy would be considered morally wrong. Maybe one of those screeners that get distributed among the Hollywood Illuminati close to awards time? Anyone know any Hollywood Illuminati?

You're joking, right? Using a :) at the end of your post would help clarify if you are, it at least usually helps. What do you mean by "hollywood illuminati"?

Yes, sorry I should have used an emoticon. I used the term "Illuminati" loosely, usually as a joke, to refer to people who think they are important. Although in this case there is probably more of a "real" Hollywood Illuminati on some level, I'm referring to various actors and other professionals who get free screeners of movies so they can participate in or respond to criticism of them. There are known to be many in their ranks who do not buy the official story of 9/11/2001.

 

[Nook]

Fwiw, I not only would not ever pay to see it, I wouldn't want to waste two hours of my life on watching it even if it was free to sit through it.

I'm referring to various actors and other professionals who get free screeners of movies so they can participate in or respond to criticism of them. There are known to be many in their ranks who do not buy the official story of 9/11/2001.

There are people like that in those ranks, Charlie Sheen being one of them who then got defamed after speaking out against the official 9/11 story. He probably won't get many roles in big budget movies anymore...

Afaik, most of the pre-screenings you refer to - where they welcome feedback about the movie - are done before the theatrical release of a given movie. This way, based on what people think, they can re-edit the movie, cut scenes and get a final cut that is most impressive for audiences. There are Q&A's done after a screening even after the wide theatrical release but usually for independent films and participation or real criticism is not really what they're all about.

 

[meta-agnostic]

Fwiw, I not only would not ever pay to see it, I wouldn't want to waste two hours of my life on watching it even if it was free to sit through it.

I'm referring to various actors and other professionals who get free screeners of movies so they can participate in or respond to criticism of them. There are known to be many in their ranks who do not buy the official story of 9/11/2001.

There are people like that in those ranks, Charlie Sheen being one of them who then got defamed after speaking out against the official 9/11 story. He probably won't get many roles in big budget movies anymore...

Afaik, most of the pre-screenings you refer to - where they welcome feedback about the movie - are done before the theatrical release of a given movie. This way, based on what people think, they can re-edit the movie, cut scenes and get a final cut that is most impressive for audiences. There are Q&A's done after a screening even after the wide theatrical release but usually for independent films and participation or real criticism is not really what they're all about.

Yeah, there are those too. What I'm referring to are DVD (or Blu-ray I guess) copies of movies currently in theaters or just about to be released, given to certain people so they can do things like vote on them for the Oscars or other awards.

It's all academic anyway. It would be really great to see an SotT piece shredding through the movie scene-by-scene, but it's selfish to want such a thing and not be willing to do the work yourself of paying to sit in a theater for two hours and be subjected to it. And it's not likely that many people going around touting how great ZDT is would likely listen to any criticism anyway, although there are probably some people in the middle of it all, hearing conflicting arguments, who could be persuaded if it was done persuasively.

 

[Nook]

Yeah, there are those too. What I'm referring to are DVD (or Blu-ray I guess) copies of movies currently in theaters or just about to be released, given to certain people so they can do things like vote on them for the Oscars or other awards.

That to my knowledge is even more of an exclusive club than we think. It's a few hundred people and they are pretty good at being secretive about who's in that group. Even the pre-screenings I mentioned are not easy to get involved in...

 

[cubbex]

I can't imagine why anyone would choose to pay money to sit through two hours of war propaganda, but that's just me.

I was thinking if it somehow came on TV and I had nothing better to do I might watch it, but it will be a while before that could happen. This would be an instance where I don't think obtaining a pirated copy would be considered morally wrong. Maybe one of those screeners that get distributed among the Hollywood Illuminati close to awards time? Anyone know any Hollywood Illuminati?

You're joking, right? Using a :) at the end of your post would help clarify if you are, it at least usually helps. What do you mean by "hollywood illuminati"?

Yes, sorry I should have used an emoticon. I used the term "Illuminati" loosely, usually as a joke, to refer to people who think they are important. Although in this case there is probably more of a "real" Hollywood Illuminati on some level, I'm referring to various actors and other professionals who get free screeners of movies so they can participate in or respond to criticism of them. There are known to be many in their ranks who do not buy the official story of 9/11/2001.

Mmm well as far as I remember, Tom Cruise said he was an "Illuminati", and there's a documentary about Illuminatis called the coming or something, is just a nutcase, but you can get some references there.

 

[Dylan]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-cias-hollywood-release-zero-dark-thirty-or-how-people-lose-their-humanity/5318368

Might not be an SotT piece, but I think it dissects the movie well...though I have not seen nor have any real desire to see it. I caught the end of Act of Valor a while back and could not help but think what kind of world we'd have it we took the talents and organizational ability of elite military units and had them distribute condoms in areas of Africa hard hit by aids, or some such. Kind of like thinking about winning the lottery.

But, from where I sit, I don't understand why there isn't a discussion or a movie about the hiring of Afghan mercenaries to encircle Tora Bora when Osama was allegedly holed up there. Osama and his Mujahadeen purportedly withstood days of incendiary and bunker busting bombings while US special forces chomped at the bit to be unleashed on them, but their orders were to stand down. I read that the mercenaries even fired 'shots across the bow' of a special forces team that tried to scale a rock face covertly in order to avoid the warlord mercs guarding the major entrances. And then Osama managed to bribe his way across the border into Pakistan. http://www.amazon.ca/Where-Men-Win-Glory-Odyssey/dp/0385522266 This is the book from which I took this information, so take it as you will. The point being, why didn't the special forces encircling Osama get the green light to engage him then, if we are to believe the official narrative, that is. Perhaps because the conflict was more beneficial if drawn out?

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Well even Academy Award members are opposed to seeing the movie...

http://www.sott.net/article/256308-Academy-Award-member-urges-Oscars-boycott-of-Zero-Dark-Thirty-over-acceptance-of-torture

 

[Nook]

Well even Academy Award members are opposed to seeing the movie...

http://www.sott.net/article/256308-Academy-Award-member-urges-Oscars-boycott-of-Zero-Dark-Thirty-over-acceptance-of-torture

Interesting article, thanks for sharing Mrs. Tigersoap.

While I cannot agree with viewing something that is included in a movie a 'promotion' of the given subject - as with the same argument my director refused to let me smoke in scenes as the character because she's 'against smoking and doesn't want to promote it' - and I haven't seen the movie as David Clennon has, he has a good point.

If torture is depicted in the movie WITHOUT condemning it, than indeed, it is a promotion of such actions which alone would justify boycotting the movie.

This woman - the director, Kathryn Bigelow - probably has some issues as I was unfortunate enough to see her previous movie, The Hurt Locker, which failed to deliver any real understanding of ...pretty much anything. It was a war propaganda movie and this new one as I suspect is much more of the same if not worse.

 

[jclimacus]

The point being, why didn't the special forces encircling Osama get the green light to engage him then, if we are to believe the official narrative, that is. Perhaps because the conflict was more beneficial if drawn out?

Bingo. "Big Brother" needed "Emmanuel Goldstein" a while longer, or perhaps needed him to "die" at the right time...

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Fwiw, I not only would not ever pay to see it, I wouldn't want to waste two hours of my life on watching it even if it was free to sit through it.

Same here. You took the words right out of my mouth Nuke.