John DeSouza and "The Extra-Dimensionals"
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There's also this about the woman who's husband worked at Fort Detrick and later at JPL.
96-01-13.txt
Q: (P) How could I be used to monitor personnel when I never
noticed anything as being unusual?
A: Very complex, in fact, parallel subject. P is "locator
probe" for the purpose of monitoring those in her midst.
Telling is not important, reading is. Besides, most of
the work performed did not involve conscious awareness.
Q: Is this still going on?
A: Partly, but also, P could be used as a probe to monitor
all events taking place at JPL and other laboratories by
examining aural imprints of her husband and others with
whom she was acquainted. All events leave permanent
imprints upon aural energy fields. This explains, for
example, some sightings and apparitions. "Ghosts" are
sometimes merely spontaneous activations of the aural
records of the natural surroundings.
96-01-13.txt
Q: (P) How could I be used to monitor personnel when I never
noticed anything as being unusual?
A: Very complex, in fact, parallel subject. P is "locator
probe" for the purpose of monitoring those in her midst.
Telling is not important, reading is. Besides, most of
the work performed did not involve conscious awareness.
Q: Is this still going on?
A: Partly, but also, P could be used as a probe to monitor
all events taking place at JPL and other laboratories by
examining aural imprints of her husband and others with
whom she was acquainted. All events leave permanent
imprints upon aural energy fields. This explains, for
example, some sightings and apparitions. "Ghosts" are
sometimes merely spontaneous activations of the aural
records of the natural surroundings.
They do Laura, remember this;
Session 14 October 1995
A: Abducted.
Q: (T): When we were in Albuquerque?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) And Las Vegas? (T) When we were in Las Vegas, also?
A: Met alien there.
Q: (L) Oh, you met an alien when you were in Las Vegas! (J) Does that have anything to do with the fact that the pictures didn't come out from our wedding?
A: Barfly.
Q: (T): Ohhhhh... (J) I know exactly what you are talking about.
A: Disguised humanoid gray species four. Rigelian. Orion union STS.
Here is the link to that session,
Session 14 October 1995
October 14, 1995 Frank, Laura, Susan V, Terry and Jan, Tom K Discussion about "Matrix Books" preceded start of session. Laura had just been lent copies of them from Roxanne C... Q: Hello. A: Hello. Matrix material. Q: (T) Matrix material? A: Yes. Q: (T): Who is the person who did...
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Not that I believe what DeSouza say, that in the Travis Walton case is what happened but the grey can change form (diguise them self) it appear when in third density.
If I remember correctly, De Souza said that if it's "nuts and bolts" it's ours, meaning 3D so that would be wrong, it could be 3D or 4D.
The Cs did say that if craft from 4D are damaged in 3D they stay in 3D which, also, says that they are "nuts and bolts" types of craft.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
I am going to make a hypothesis, which I will be very satisfied that it is dismantled by the C's.
The C's have said that the "greys" are bi-density cybernetic probes, with which fourth-density STS "people" can interact with third-density.
So in the case of the abduction, which according to the book was to cure the abductee, there are three cybernetic probes, each of which is run by a fourth-density STS "being."
I believe that there is no morphic change from gray to human (appearance), but that by the abductee exercising his free will and resisting the gray aliens, the real aliens decided to show themselves in a real or modified appearance to reassure the abductee and fool him and do whatever they wanted to do.
Many of the things reported in the book come into some contradiction with what the C's said, such as the exchange contributed by Laura in which the C's say that full body abduction is very, very rare and that when it occurs, the abductee is not returned.
Therefore, by mere statistical estimation alone, the reported abduction had to be over the imprint of the soul in a fourth-density environment.
The C's have said that the "greys" are bi-density cybernetic probes, with which fourth-density STS "people" can interact with third-density.
So in the case of the abduction, which according to the book was to cure the abductee, there are three cybernetic probes, each of which is run by a fourth-density STS "being."
I believe that there is no morphic change from gray to human (appearance), but that by the abductee exercising his free will and resisting the gray aliens, the real aliens decided to show themselves in a real or modified appearance to reassure the abductee and fool him and do whatever they wanted to do.
Many of the things reported in the book come into some contradiction with what the C's said, such as the exchange contributed by Laura in which the C's say that full body abduction is very, very rare and that when it occurs, the abductee is not returned.
Therefore, by mere statistical estimation alone, the reported abduction had to be over the imprint of the soul in a fourth-density environment.
Another thing DeSouza is pointing out correctly IMO is that the scientific approach to the paranormal is in large parts more hindering, debilitating and often frankly misguided and that the believe in the idea that science is the ultimate achievement is wrong. I think it is pretty much in accordance with what McGilchrist is laying out so brilliantly in „The Matter with Things“ and it is also in accordance with the C‘s:
DeSouza's mentions of soul printing in the book:
Why these unmanned, living scanners are collecting soul prints of humans, DeZouza doesn't say. When he says "as many 'interested' humans as possible", it sounds like he's talking about what he refers to as the 'awakened community' or 'the believers'.
He uses the phrases "store a blueprint" and "for later reference". This kind of implies to me that his conception of soul-printing isn't about the soul-replication the C's talk about with abductions. He ties it in with 'aura-reading', so it seems to me like his soul-printing is like a cataloguing process.
In one of his descriptions of a personal encounter with a UFO, he says:
And then he says:
I'm not sure how the information in his soul print caused them to not abduct him, since he thinks abductions are so that EDs can take biological samples from humans in order to produce grotesque hybrids of humans and animals to create a world-wide disgust and panic and an ethical dilemma as to whether we should kill them or not. He doesn't explain how soul-printing by EDs looking for interested humans, which appear to us as crafts, but which are actually living creatures, ties in with their abducting us or not.
So, the theatrics of the abduction is to condition people to think that the EDs are physical in order to build a narrative that will serve their purposes later. What these purposes are, DeSouza never tells us.
In the foreword, Goldie Serrano, his chief editor (revealed to be his personal assistant later in the book, which may explain the appalling grammar, punctuation and word choices) says:
I thought it was interesting that the figure of 6% was used, since these are the figures for percentage of psychopaths, and also the figure leaves the 94% that the C's said are "used as containers".
The source or reasoning for the figure is not given. And if "All over the world, we are bursting through that six percent barrier", then if that's all that is required for mass awakening, it's already happened.
I don't know why finding a monument on the moon or Mars creates "massive cracks in the monolith of the materialist/purely physical prison". Yes, there's the idea that people would lose their minds if aliens turned up, but if people think aliens are physical, then it just follows that they can build physical things.
What is this prison that he talks about, not just here but in other places in the book? DeSouza believes that souls are in human physical bodies in order to graduate. So is he saying that it is this state of being that is the prison? Or is he talking about the Elite Powers In Control, the PTB? He doesn't go into any detail about what the control system is for or what their agenda is or their long-term aims. And he doesn't clearly link the idea that we are in prison with the EDs themselves at any point.
The following quote gives a good illustration of the overall issues I have with DeSouza and his book:
This paragraph, and the book as a whole, to me, demonstrates that DeSouza just doesn't seem to do any actual thinking. There's no 'thinking with a hammer'. What is he actually saying in this paragraph? It's word-salad, but as Laura put it, salted with a few grains of truth.
There is a point in there, somewhere, that I believe is true: that the materialistic interpretation and religion of reality, needing 'scientific proofs' of all things hyperdimensional and paranormal, is a self-sustaining trap that hides the deeper realities from the human race. But it's so unstructured. How does keeping topics of hyperdimensionality out of the consciousness of the general public hold them prisoner?
How, as he writes above, does the fact that scientism hides the truth from the majority give false hope to people who believe in something more that they can change the playing field? And, what playing field? Is it about everyone else believing what the awakened community believe? If so, why? If everyone believed what DeSouza believes, what difference would it make to humanity in relation to EDs and EPIC?
I KNOW that these are the kinds of questions that we here have discussed for years, and every one of us could write posts about them where we give ideas and answers, about the control system, about knowledge, about free will, about choices based on what we see, etc., etc., but what good does it do for a mainstream reader of DeSouza's to read the above paragraph? Really, they need to read it mainly for the 'feels', and read it as "resonating with my intuition as a member of the awakened community". That's not too far from regular, run-of-the-mill, channelled word-salads. The only difference is, rather than hooking people with all love and light and warm and fluffy stuff, DeSouza's work paints a darker picture that contains some truths. But it doesn't offer much by way of an explanation of the world, of life, of origins, of destinations, of our position in the grand cosmic scheme. There's no philosophy.
The book was a frustrating read for me. Is it really so hard to read a paragraph that you yourself have written and analyse it to make sure that it all holds together and makes sense - that the things you say reference other things you've already said, which lays out and builds a theoretical framework?
His message is that there's a lot of strange things in the universe, and so, just believe things that you feel are true. Like his chapter on Geroge Van Tassel, Billy Meier and the 'Nordics'. That chapter folllows a previous, brief chapter in which he states:
So then he talks about Van Tassel and Meier, and really, all I can get from his brief examination of their lives and experiences is that they believed what they were saying... so, therefore, it must be true? And that this is why this chapter immediately follows the one about truth and evidence and 'authenticity'?
In the chapter just prior to the quote above about authenticity, he writes:
Why these unmanned, living scanners are collecting soul prints of humans, DeZouza doesn't say. When he says "as many 'interested' humans as possible", it sounds like he's talking about what he refers to as the 'awakened community' or 'the believers'.
He uses the phrases "store a blueprint" and "for later reference". This kind of implies to me that his conception of soul-printing isn't about the soul-replication the C's talk about with abductions. He ties it in with 'aura-reading', so it seems to me like his soul-printing is like a cataloguing process.
In one of his descriptions of a personal encounter with a UFO, he says:
And then he says:
I'm not sure how the information in his soul print caused them to not abduct him, since he thinks abductions are so that EDs can take biological samples from humans in order to produce grotesque hybrids of humans and animals to create a world-wide disgust and panic and an ethical dilemma as to whether we should kill them or not. He doesn't explain how soul-printing by EDs looking for interested humans, which appear to us as crafts, but which are actually living creatures, ties in with their abducting us or not.
So, the theatrics of the abduction is to condition people to think that the EDs are physical in order to build a narrative that will serve their purposes later. What these purposes are, DeSouza never tells us.
In the foreword, Goldie Serrano, his chief editor (revealed to be his personal assistant later in the book, which may explain the appalling grammar, punctuation and word choices) says:
I thought it was interesting that the figure of 6% was used, since these are the figures for percentage of psychopaths, and also the figure leaves the 94% that the C's said are "used as containers".
The source or reasoning for the figure is not given. And if "All over the world, we are bursting through that six percent barrier", then if that's all that is required for mass awakening, it's already happened.
I don't know why finding a monument on the moon or Mars creates "massive cracks in the monolith of the materialist/purely physical prison". Yes, there's the idea that people would lose their minds if aliens turned up, but if people think aliens are physical, then it just follows that they can build physical things.
What is this prison that he talks about, not just here but in other places in the book? DeSouza believes that souls are in human physical bodies in order to graduate. So is he saying that it is this state of being that is the prison? Or is he talking about the Elite Powers In Control, the PTB? He doesn't go into any detail about what the control system is for or what their agenda is or their long-term aims. And he doesn't clearly link the idea that we are in prison with the EDs themselves at any point.
The following quote gives a good illustration of the overall issues I have with DeSouza and his book:
This paragraph, and the book as a whole, to me, demonstrates that DeSouza just doesn't seem to do any actual thinking. There's no 'thinking with a hammer'. What is he actually saying in this paragraph? It's word-salad, but as Laura put it, salted with a few grains of truth.
There is a point in there, somewhere, that I believe is true: that the materialistic interpretation and religion of reality, needing 'scientific proofs' of all things hyperdimensional and paranormal, is a self-sustaining trap that hides the deeper realities from the human race. But it's so unstructured. How does keeping topics of hyperdimensionality out of the consciousness of the general public hold them prisoner?
How, as he writes above, does the fact that scientism hides the truth from the majority give false hope to people who believe in something more that they can change the playing field? And, what playing field? Is it about everyone else believing what the awakened community believe? If so, why? If everyone believed what DeSouza believes, what difference would it make to humanity in relation to EDs and EPIC?
I KNOW that these are the kinds of questions that we here have discussed for years, and every one of us could write posts about them where we give ideas and answers, about the control system, about knowledge, about free will, about choices based on what we see, etc., etc., but what good does it do for a mainstream reader of DeSouza's to read the above paragraph? Really, they need to read it mainly for the 'feels', and read it as "resonating with my intuition as a member of the awakened community". That's not too far from regular, run-of-the-mill, channelled word-salads. The only difference is, rather than hooking people with all love and light and warm and fluffy stuff, DeSouza's work paints a darker picture that contains some truths. But it doesn't offer much by way of an explanation of the world, of life, of origins, of destinations, of our position in the grand cosmic scheme. There's no philosophy.
The book was a frustrating read for me. Is it really so hard to read a paragraph that you yourself have written and analyse it to make sure that it all holds together and makes sense - that the things you say reference other things you've already said, which lays out and builds a theoretical framework?
His message is that there's a lot of strange things in the universe, and so, just believe things that you feel are true. Like his chapter on Geroge Van Tassel, Billy Meier and the 'Nordics'. That chapter folllows a previous, brief chapter in which he states:
So then he talks about Van Tassel and Meier, and really, all I can get from his brief examination of their lives and experiences is that they believed what they were saying... so, therefore, it must be true? And that this is why this chapter immediately follows the one about truth and evidence and 'authenticity'?
In the chapter just prior to the quote above about authenticity, he writes:
Wandering Star
The Living Force
They do Laura, remember this;
Session 14 October 1995
A: Abducted.
Q: (T): When we were in Albuquerque?
A: Yes.
Q: (J) And Las Vegas? (T) When we were in Las Vegas, also?
A: Met alien there.
Q: (L) Oh, you met an alien when you were in Las Vegas! (J) Does that have anything to do with the fact that the pictures didn't come out from our wedding?
A: Barfly.
Q: (T): Ohhhhh... (J) I know exactly what you are talking about.
A: Disguised humanoid gray species four. Rigelian. Orion union STS.
Here is the link to that session,
Session 14 October 1995
October 14, 1995 Frank, Laura, Susan V, Terry and Jan, Tom K Discussion about "Matrix Books" preceded start of session. Laura had just been lent copies of them from Roxanne C... Q: Hello. A: Hello. Matrix material. Q: (T) Matrix material? A: Yes. Q: (T): Who is the person who did...
Not that I believe what DeSouza say, that in the Travis Walton case is what happened but the grey can change form (diguise them self) it appear when in third density.
But, a "humanoid gray species" is not the "cybergenetic probes". I don't think so anyway. We'll ask. Put that on the list of questions please whoever is keeping track for the next session.
As I recall, the Blue Planet Project differentiates between several different types of Grays, including one which reproduces from an egg. It refers to one of these types as a Rigelian. If I remember my exopolitical lore correctly, the Rigelians were conquered, subsumed into the Orion Union hierarchy, and then more or less used for spare parts. It went on to say that these Rigelians can project their psychic energy in such a way as to materialize a humanoid shell, which would seem to partly corroborate DeSouza's idea about the Grays turning into Nordics; they were able to use the malleability of the mind-matter connection of 4D variable physicality to create a convincing simulation.
With regards to Travis Walton getting zapped in the UFO's plasma, I remembered this session that talks about hyperdimensional amateurs causing accidents. The session really throws a new light on the general idea of hyperdimensionals being all-powerful, with implications for Desouza's overall narrative.
I wonder if nuclear reactors have a similar effects?
That's a new way to look at fireballs - some of the fireball uptick around the globe may be rocks from space, and some may be probing portals in disguise. This had me thinking about the recent LA alien event, which was preceded by fireballs.
Anyways, this session seems to indicate that yes, mistakes are possible. If human scientific incompetence is anything to go by, it probably happens all the time. This adds some weight to Desouza's interpretation of the Walton case - it was a mistake, he got fried, and then the greys tried to fix him up.
However, the amateur factor also detracts from how the Walton case fits into Desouza's overarching narrative. He says the Walton case indicated a change in the overall MO, and that this marks a major shift in human-alien interactions.
I'm picturing a bumbling mafia stooge who messes up on an extortion gambit, and accidentally injures a bystander. He panics, picks up the bystander, and takes them to the mafia doctor. The victim is treated, released, and tells the tale. I don't think this indicates that nature of the mafia is changing globally.
However, it does indicate something about the nature of the (hyperdimensional) mafia. If these kinds of blunders happen all the time, as implied above, then its kinda hard to hard to picture hyperdimensionals as purely smooth operators with only one MO, or only one crime signature.
Edit: if Walton was truly dead as claimed, is it actually possible for 4D STS and minions to perform resurrections?!
I wonder if nuclear reactors have a similar effects?
That's a new way to look at fireballs - some of the fireball uptick around the globe may be rocks from space, and some may be probing portals in disguise. This had me thinking about the recent LA alien event, which was preceded by fireballs.
Anyways, this session seems to indicate that yes, mistakes are possible. If human scientific incompetence is anything to go by, it probably happens all the time. This adds some weight to Desouza's interpretation of the Walton case - it was a mistake, he got fried, and then the greys tried to fix him up.
However, the amateur factor also detracts from how the Walton case fits into Desouza's overarching narrative. He says the Walton case indicated a change in the overall MO, and that this marks a major shift in human-alien interactions.
I'm picturing a bumbling mafia stooge who messes up on an extortion gambit, and accidentally injures a bystander. He panics, picks up the bystander, and takes them to the mafia doctor. The victim is treated, released, and tells the tale. I don't think this indicates that nature of the mafia is changing globally.
However, it does indicate something about the nature of the (hyperdimensional) mafia. If these kinds of blunders happen all the time, as implied above, then its kinda hard to hard to picture hyperdimensionals as purely smooth operators with only one MO, or only one crime signature.
Edit: if Walton was truly dead as claimed, is it actually possible for 4D STS and minions to perform resurrections?!