The Shroud of Turin

[dannybananny]

Associated Press, 11.20.09, 07:33 AM EST

ROME -- A Vatican researcher claims she has found a nearly invisible text on the Shroud of Turin and says the discovery proves the authenticity of the artifact revered as Jesus' burial cloth.

The claim made in a new book by historian Barbara Frale drew immediate skepticism from some scientists, who maintain the shroud is a medieval forgery.

Frale, a researcher at the Vatican archives, says the faint writing emerged through computer analysis of photos of the shroud, which is not normally accessible for study.

Frale says the jumble of Greek, Latin and Aramaic includes the words "Jesus Nazarene" and mentions he was sentenced to death. She believes the text was written on a document by a clerk to identify the body and the ink then seeped into the cloth.

This is so fake that my head hurts.

A Vatican researcher

Doesn't it seems little subjective that reasercher that is funded by Vatican is exploring it, of course that he will make any evidence that will prove that it belonged to "Jesus" because church has very big interest to make evidence that their religion is "true".

She believes the text was written on a document by a clerk to identify the body and the ink then seeped into the cloth.

But why not ask if he was writing the real truth or someone told him to write that.

Frale says the jumble of Greek, Latin and Aramaic includes the words "Jesus Nazarene" and mentions he was sentenced to death.

Why would they use three languages to write his name?

One possibility is also that that men was a real person and was named Jesus but he wasn't the Jesus that Bible talks about. They could use name Jesus that belongs to some dead men and give it to the real "Jesus" and use it as the evidence to support their religion.

 

[StrawMan]

You could also ask, why is the shroud suddenly made available, when it "is not normally accessible for study"?

And if this shroud was meant to cover Jesus, who would put their document on the shroud and write on it with the possibility of getting ink on the shroud?

 

[mada85]

The timing of this press release is interesting. It seems that the Vatican is having a recruitment drive, and this new 'revelation' about the Turin Shroud is a way of giving the Roman Catholic church more authenticity and more appeal to disgruntled Anglicans. The following article appears on the UK Daily Mail website today:

Rowan Williams confronts the Pope over 'poaching' of clergy

By Jonathan Petre
Last updated at 11:02 PM on 21st November 2009

The Archbishop of Canterbury has expressed his concerns to the Pope about the way the Vatican announced a scheme to welcome disaffected Anglicans into the Roman Catholic Church.

In the private meeting at the Vatican with Benedict XVI, Dr Rowan Williams made clear he had been put in an 'awkward position' because he had been given so little warning about the proposals to entice Anglicans to Rome by letting them keep many of their traditions.

But he insisted that the tone of the meeting had been 'very friendly', and relations between the two Churches were still strong. The Vatican also described the meeting as 'cordial'.

Some Church of England leaders have accused the Vatican of discourtesy in failing to consult Dr Williams. The Archbishop was distressed when the proposals were sprung on him last month with barely two weeks' notice.

Many believe the Pope is deliberately trying to poach Anglicans dismayed at the liberal drift of their own Church, undermining years of efforts to improve relations between the denominations.

But Dr Williams played down the impact of the proposed Apostolic Constitution, under which groupings of Anglicans could enter into full communion with the Catholic Church, but also preserve such elements as using Anglican prayer books.

The Vatican says its invitation came in response to pleas from Anglicans unhappy about the imminent consecration of women bishops.

Speaking after meeting the Pope, Dr Williams told Vatican Radio: 'I wanted to express some of my concerns about the way in which the announcement of the Constitution had been handled and received because clearly many Anglicans, myself included, felt that it put us in an awkward position.'

Dr Williams said the Pope's initiative did not change their basic relationship and he said that the Pope had stressed the need for unity talks to continue.

Original article at: _http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229923/Rowan-Williams-confronts-Pope-poaching-clergy.html

 

[seek10]

Associated Press, 11.20.09, 07:33 AM EST

ROME -- A Vatican researcher claims she has found a nearly invisible text on the Shroud of Turin and says the discovery proves the authenticity of the artifact revered as Jesus' burial cloth.

The claim made in a new book by historian Barbara Frale drew immediate skepticism from some scientists, who maintain the shroud is a medieval forgery.

Frale, a researcher at the Vatican archives, says the faint writing emerged through computer analysis of photos of the shroud, which is not normally accessible for study.

Frale says the jumble of Greek, Latin and Aramaic includes the words "Jesus Nazarene" and mentions he was sentenced to death. c was written on a document by a clerk to identify the body and the ink then seeped into the cloth.

This is so fake that my head hurts.

Vatican researcher ,
nearly invisible text ,
The claim made in a new book by historian Barbara Frale ,
faint writing emerged through computer analysis of photos of the shroud, which is not normally accessible for study,
jumble of Greek, Latin and Aramaic includes the words "Jesus Nazarene"

Do you see any problem in these words for serious belief ?. Then comes the clincher ink then seeped into the cloth.

some thing written 2000 years back , ink seeped into a cloth , that went into cloth and still visible only to the privileged few. can you find a trace of cloth you dumped in a trash can one month back?. No, then how can this survive?. Yes, some survives , but the extreme rarity and the grand association to the ONE and ONLY JESUS raises serious questions.

What can we say?. All sounds like mohammad atta's passport was found in millions tons of powdered steel, so he is the leader of all terrorists.?. How naive these manufacturers of these stories are or May be ,how stupid the people are ? . This is Little more than story made by a 4 year kid for a brownie.

 

[Tigersoap]

If they had a closer look they could read Jesus Nazarene / Made in China

:D

 

[Mountain Crown]

If they had a closer look they could read Jesus Nazarene / Made in China

:D

 

[Vulcan59]

Re: The shroud of Turin

Hi DGF,

This question was answered quite sometime back. There is also a topic discussing it here. I'll merge your post to it.

Q: (L) I would like to know if the Shroud of Turin was ever wrapped around Jesus.
A: No.
Q: (L) Was it wrapped around somebody who was crucified?
A: No.
Q: (L) How was it made?
A: Wrapped around Roman worker.
Q: (L) What caused the image on the shroud?
A: Body oils, hormones and other physiological chemicals.

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[Guardian]

Frale, a researcher at the Vatican archives, says the faint writing emerged through computer analysis of photos of the shroud, which is not normally accessible for study.

Look for the union label
when you are buying that coat, dress or shroud. :P

 

[Chetofloj]

La Sábana Santa de Turín es real: un nuevo estudio lo confirma

<a href='https://www.elperiodico.com/es/barcelona/20240815/mystery-man-escultura-hiperrealista-cristo-barcelona-106997836' >Llega a Barcelona una impactante exposición con una escultura hiperrealista de Cristo tras la crucifixión</a>

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[christx11]

What do you mean by real? It has always been real. It just has nothing to do with Jesus or Julius Caesar.

 

[Chetofloj]

What do you mean by real? It has always been real. It just has nothing to do with Jesus or Julius Caesar.

Laura's research is illuminating. She dedicated herself to discovering many things. We can also include the additional information from the Cs that she brought to light about the life of Jesus.
But other data must also be taken as a possibility.
For example, for me the true character existed in early civilizations of this planet, that is, the real character was a pair of polar soulmates (a man and a woman) related to the knowledge of ancient shamanism that had a shocking role at the time and that for some reason what they did was very important, which is why it was suppressed over time.
Now as for the Holy Shroud, really from my position I don't know who it is from, in view of Laura's later information about Pablo, the Cs could at some point tell us what the mystery of the Holy Shroud is, although for many people who have privileged information about We Cs can declare that the intentions behind making it public is to "validate the existence of Jesus" with many agendas.
Now I am not clear why the Cs once mentioned that Jesus was from the sixth density, a beige beret next to Maria. Is it because a being of such sixth density consciousness can manifest pure consciousness?
Or maybe because for 7th density everything is possible even recreating a character like that in another universe?

 

[Kay Kim]

Now I am not clear why the Cs once mentioned that Jesus was from the sixth density

Q: (L) What realm or area did Jesus come from before he was born into the earth in the body of Jesus of Nazareth?

A: 5th density.

Q: (L) He was a fifth density soul?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) Had he had any other incarnations in other human bodies on planet earth?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) How many incarnations did he have before he achieved fifth density?

A: 1009

Joe) Who was Paul's Christ?

A: Caesar!

Q: (Joe) Did Paul know that?

A: Yes

Q: (Niall) Ave Caesar!

 

[Chetofloj]

I thank you now I understand that there may be a military comparison. On the other hand, perhaps the introduction of a group of Kantekians to Earth caused other understandings related to "mystical powers" where they mixed with legends over time? Did the Kantekians come before or after the destruction of Atlantis?

 

[Ina]

I think that it is possible there were more than one person portrayed by written history as Jesus, which intertwined and compounded ideatically, into the Christ figure we know today, but surely it was only one Gaius Julius Caesar.

So everyone can be potentially correct.

 

[Olivierlejardinier]

La Sábana Santa de Turín es real: un nuevo estudio lo confirma

<a href='https://www.elperiodico.com/es/barcelona/20240815/mystery-man-escultura-hiperrealista-cristo-barcelona-106997836' >Llega a Barcelona una impactante exposición con una escultura hiperrealista de Cristo tras la crucifixión</a>

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Here's a recent, August 22, post by @Laura on X regarding the Shroud :

"Y'all hold your horses on the recent report that the Shroud of Turin is definitively a 2KY old relic. It ain't necessarily so. The study pretty clearly states that these results are only valid IF the relic was kept at a certain, very narrow, temperature and humidity for all of that time.

"...we have a range of allowed secular average room temperatures of 20.0–22.5 °C, correlated with a range of average relative humidity values of 75–55%, as climate constraints, for the TS to be a 20-centuries-old relic"

And they can only suggest that this was possibly the case for the last 13 centuries, and are unable to even suggest the conditions for the 7 centuries prior to that.

In addition to the above problem, there is the issue that the C14 date does not agree with their results; this needs to be sorted out.

But, as usual, the media makes a way bigger deal of this than it deserves."

The C's talked about the Shroud in two sessions : 3 December 1994 and 14 November 1998.