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[axj]

Well according to the sessions there was a kingdom of "Tartars" and there were some floods that left some mud.

The "Tartarian mud flood" is claimed to have happened just 150-200 years ago, along with claims that Tartaria had free energy devices and what not. Interestingly, it was apparently Fomenko's new chronology (phantom years theory) that first introduced this idea of a forgotten recent empire called Tartaria - which was supposedly some kind of advanced "Russian Horde" empire.

The currently accepted theory is that Tartars originated no earlier than around the 7th century AD, so I don't know on what information @seek10's question about a Tartarian kingdom in 3000 BC was (correctly) based.

As to the floods depositing mud, maybe that is in reference to the passage of the comet cluster every 3600 years, according to the C's.

 

[Kadam303]

Most of the world were European colonies, so it is not surprising that they constructed similar buildings around the world at that time.

to build such buildings your require enormous amount of bricks , castings , steal , mercury, castings, inner decorations ,etc etc.

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the most beautiful buildings in Europe were destroyed by carpet bombing during WW2, one such beautiful city was Dresden, not to mention Poland and its surroundings.

@axj you maybe 100% right, for me just still to many unknowns, it may be my ignorance and imagination . (1st photo )Not to mention the USA/Canada .... it is even some different level of building.


The Rothschild palace remains unchanged, it still has all the ‘facilities’ as once did all the buildings in the world.

2nd-3rd photos are in Poland (before and after ww2 notice the horse carriage and imagine building such huge infrastructure globally ) , 4th-5th pics are Rothschild palace i think in France.

 

[Amor]

Well according to the sessions there was a kingdom of "Tartars" and there were some floods that left some mud.




I think more refined questions for the C's might shed more light on the subject matter.

I found a possible connection to this tartaria thing. In the sessions there was a mention of russia playing the role of adversary against global take over both karmically and geographically.

(Ze Germans) If Russia's karmic role is an adversary of Atlantis, who was playing this role back then before the final destruction of Atlantis?

A: Same locale, different names. Read The Iliad and Odyssey for clues.

Wikipedia on tartaria say that from around 13th. Century AD it was referred to the region what is now russia. From urals to the very east towards China.

Tartary - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

When there was questions about Tartarian kingdom the Cs also said yes to 3000bc timeline or atleast they didn't say no to that.

According to hypothetical maps the ice sheet of ice age didn't cover those parts of russia. Especially those areas where dolmens, megaliths and pyramidal structures where found.



According to the Cs this also has been said before:

Q: I didn't think so. Okay, in this book it says: Diodorus Siculus, writing in the 1st century B.C., said that "certain sacred offerings wrapped in wheat straw come from the Hyperboreans into Scythia, whence they are taken over by the neighboring peoples in succession until they get as far west as the Adriatic. From there they are sent south, and the first Greeks to receive them are the Dodonaeans. Then, continuing southward, they reach the Malian gulf, cross to Euboea, and are passed on from town to town as far as Carystus. Then they skp Andros, the Carystians take them to Tenos, and the Tenians to Delos. That is how these things are said to reach Delos at the present time." So, from very ancient times, there was this practice of the Hyperboreans sending sacred offerings to the Island of Delos. Now, the Island of Delos is supposedly the birthplace of Phoebus Apollo, whose mother was Leto. Supposedly he was born on Mt. Cynthus. This is a very curious thing. This is contrary to the old view that the cultural flow was from the Mediterranean to the North, that civilization began in the Near East. It implies a cultural flow from the North to the South. What were these ancient Hyperboreans sending to the Island of Delos?

A: Leaves bearing cryptic codes.

Q: What was the connection between the Hyperboreans, including the Celts of Britain, I believe, and the people of Delos?

A: Northern peoples were responsible for civilising the Meditteranean/Adriatic peoples with the encoded secrets contained within their superior extra-terrestrially based genetic arrangement. Practice of which you speak was multi-trans-generational habit

So taking into account the above mentioned. Tartarians might be the advanced northern people who were the descendants of atlantian civilization. The tartarian name might be a more recent one.

 

[Kadam303]

and this, food for thought . ****declaimer i am not electrical engineer, but this make sense to me .... because surly they were not build for Jesus Christ . @axj what do you think.?

 

[Kadam303]

I found a possible connection to this tartaria thing. In the sessions there was a mention of russia playing the role of adversary against global take over both karmically and geographically.

Wikipedia on tartaria say that from around 13th. Century AD it was referred to the region what is now russia. From urals to the very east towards China.

Tartary - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

When there was questions about Tartarian kingdom the Cs also said yes to 3000bc timeline or atleast they didn't say no to that.

According to hypothetical maps the ice sheet of ice age didn't cover those parts of russia. Especially those areas where dolmens, megaliths and pyramidal structures where found.

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According to the Cs this also has been said before:

So taking into account the above mentioned. Tartarians might be the advanced northern people who were the descendants of atlantian civilization. The tartarian name might be a more recent one.

names like tartaria and all psy ops around them (mentioned in above posts)are very possible. they act like a trigger for many like 'conspiracy theory' . lots more work need to be done in this topic i think unless those with greater knowledge state otherwise. (jedii council and C'S)

 

[axj]

According to hypothetical maps the ice sheet of ice age didn't cover those parts of russia. Especially those areas where dolmens, megaliths and pyramidal structures where found.

Yes, the North Pole was apparently over the Hudson Bay area, which places the ice caps exactly within the polar circle around that North Pole. The C's also confirmed that there was both a slight crustal shift and a tilt of the planet axis when Atlantis was destroyed around 10000 BC.

Since Siberia was much warmer during the Ice Age, it makes sense that it could support a civilization. This is probably also what the Hyperborean myths refer to and apparently even the Greek Illiad and Odyssee - though the locations there seem to fit more to the North Sea and a war in England (as discussed in the "Where Troy once stood" book and thread).

It is possible that Hyperborean descendants survived from the time of Atlantis as a "Tartarian kingdom" in Siberia in 3000 BC, but I have not seen any evidence of that yet. The flash frozen mammoths in Siberia point towards that area having been hit hard by the cataclysms as well when Atlantis was destroyed.

 

[dredger]

Hello,
I wanted first to precise that i do not at all follow the topic about Tartaria, but as i felt on a X post about this, i was a little bit intriguided, so i read the few comments and arrived to this video of 15 minutes. I verified if already posted (at least this copy of the video) and did not find, so, FWIW and for those who are "working" on this topic, this video may be interresting ... i don't know

 

[axj]

Hello,
I wanted first to precise that i do not at all follow the topic about Tartaria, but as i felt on a X post about this, i was a little bit intriguided, so i read the few comments and arrived to this video of 15 minutes. I verified if already posted (at least this copy of the video) and did not find, so, FWIW and for those who are "working" on this topic, this video may be interresting ... i don't know

Galaxy AI summary of that video:

Exploring Putin's References to the Tartaria Archives: A Historical Perspective​

TLDRIn a recent interview with Tucker Carlson, Vladimir Putin discussed Russia's historical evolution, including references to the Tartarian Empire. This videopost delves into the significance of these references, the historical context of Tartaria, and the implications of Putin's potential release of related archives.

The Historical Context of Tartaria​

Over the last millennium, Tartaria was subdued and conquered by the Russian Empire, beginning with Ivan II's standoff at the Uger River in 1480, followed by Ivan IV's Siege of Kazan in 1552. The conquest culminated with the downfall of the Crimean Khanate in 1783, marking a significant power shift in the region. Some researchers argue that the Tartarian mantle was transferred to the Ottoman Empire, which did not disintegrate until the end of World War I. However, the final chapters of Tartaria were not truly written until 1944, amidst the upheavals of World War II. In August 1944, Soviet leaders ordered the dissemination of Tartar Muslim communities within their borders, burning their libraries, erasing their histories, and rewriting the historical narrative to omit any reference to Russian aggressions, ensuring that the Russian Empire was always cast in a positive light.

The events surrounding the Soviet Union's deliberate distortion of Tartar history aimed to diminish the legacy of Tartaria and legitimize the dominion of Christian nations like Russia, which had worked for millennia to overthrow and conquer this once-great civilization. This cultural erasure has profound implications for future generations of Muslims, depriving them of their true history and national heritage.

The Origins of the Tartarian Empire​

The origins of the Tartarian civilization are shrouded in considerable speculation. Some researchers claim that Genghis Khan was the true founder of the Empire, while others, like author Edwin Williams in his 1825 textbook, suggest that Tartaria traces its origins back to the biblical prophet Noah. According to Williams, Noah's son Jafet ruled over much of contemporary Eurasia and the Middle East until his death, after which his empire was divided between his two sons, Tatar and Mogul, giving rise to the Mongolian and Tartarian Empires, respectively.

Historically, while Tartarians and Mongolians had cultural distinctions, there was significant crossover between them. Both groups spoke languages that shared the same Altaic root and were known for their skills in horseback riding and archery. During Genghis Khan's rise in the early 13th century, the Mongols initially fought against the Tartars, but after their defeat, the Tartars were incorporated into the greater Mongol Empire, contributing significantly to its expansion and governance.

The Misrepresentation of Tartaria​

Despite the historical significance of Tartaria, conventional historians have little evidence to support the claim that any part of the Tartarian Empire referred to themselves as the Golden Horde. This term is often used derogatorily by Christian nations, including the Russian Empire, to diminish the legacy of the Tartars. The 17th-century work of Dutchman Carol Allard suggests that the Tartars' emblem was likely a black zilant, a mythical creature resembling a dragon, which appeared in numerous historical flags and maps labeled Tartaria.

Interestingly, the symbol of the black zilant began to feature in adaptations of the St. George and the Dragon legend, particularly after the 1480 standoff at the Uger River. This legend, which originated in the early Byzantine Empire, was later adapted to symbolize the Christian Empire's victory over the Tartarian Muslims. A notable example is a hidden mural in the Church of St. George in Naples, Italy, rediscovered in November 2022, depicting St. George slaying a black dragon, often interpreted as an allegory of good versus evil.

Putin's Historical References​

During his interview with Tucker Carlson, Putin prominently displayed the Russian imperial flag, which features the symbol of St. George, and repeatedly referenced the Golden Horde narrative. This raises questions about his intentions. Why would Putin, a leader of a nation historically instrumental in the conquest of Tartaria, signal a potential release of documents related to this history?

Putin's references may be interpreted as a strategic maneuver, especially considering his current alliance with Iran, a Muslim nation that was once ruled by the Tartars. The historical context reveals that the effort to distort Tartarian history was not solely a Russian endeavor; it was supported by the papacy, the Holy Roman Empire, and remnants of the Byzantine Empire. The implications of exposing the Tartaria cover-up could significantly reframe the power structure of contemporary civilization, revealing long-standing historical grievances.

The Broader Implications of Historical Erasure​

The intentional suppression of Tartarian history may also contribute to contemporary spiritual and geopolitical conflicts, such as those between Israel and Palestine. The systematic erasure of Tartar history represents a broader theme of historical revisionism that impacts identity and cultural continuity. Historically, Jerusalem exemplified peaceful coexistence among Jews, Christians, and Muslims under Ottoman rule. However, the landscape changed dramatically following World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, leading to increased tensions and conflicts.

The abrupt shift from relative autonomy to conflict-ridden governance reveals a pattern: when historical narratives are suppressed or altered, populations often face violent conflict. The erasure of Tartar history may resonate with various forms of conflict around the world today, highlighting the importance of acknowledging and understanding historical grievances.

Conclusion​

In conclusion, Putin's references to the Tartaria archives during his interview with Tucker Carlson may signal more than mere historical reflection. They could represent a strategic maneuver in the geopolitical landscape, with the potential to reshape our understanding of history and its implications for contemporary conflicts. As we consider the significance of Tartaria and its legacy, it is crucial to engage in discussions about historical narratives and their impact on our present and future.

I searched the full transcript of Tucker's Putin interview and there was no mention of Tartaria (or Tatars, as it is sometimes spelled), let alone any promise to open "Tartaria archives". Putin only briefly mentioned the Horde under Genghis Khan.

 

[Jtucker]

Hello,
I wanted first to precise that i do not at all follow the topic about Tartaria, but as i felt on a X post about this, i was a little bit intriguided, so i read the few comments and arrived to this video of 15 minutes. I verified if already posted (at least this copy of the video) and did not find, so, FWIW and for those who are "working" on this topic, this video may be interresting ... i don't know

This is an excellent video to show how the "Tataria Psy-op" works.

The audience is "targeted" from the beginning. English speaking, Christian right of center viewers. You have two authoritative speakers to that demographic (Putin and Carlson). The beginning of the video is a short summation of Russia conquering the Golden Horde in central and eastern Northern Asia - all of that makes sense and is backed up by sources. But then, the presenter interjects that "Viewers on this channel know the Golden Horde as Greater Tartaria". That's not what Putin said. That's what the You Tuber said.

Greater Tartary, is a term from Encyclopedia Britannica - not Russia. The Golden Horde or the Khanates of the the Golden Horde is more accurate. The wars between Kazan and the Russian Empire happened (both sides consider them defining historical battles for Tatars and Russians).

But the presenter is completely ignoring the historical records of Kazan (Tataristan), the Ottoman's, Persia etc. These central Asian city-states were inherited from Genghis Khan's original conquest. Many records in many languages all confirm this. The Golden Horde were a loosely connected series of city-sates and regions throughout the vast expanse of Central Asia with Mongol overlords. The populations weren't "Mongol" per se, but Turkic people genetically related to each other. Much of the general population had no cultural connection the Mongols. See Tengritism and how it was used as a control measure to weaken Islam, Christianity and Shamanic beliefs. Blood sacrifices at a state level are remarkably effective in prolongining a dying empire.

Later on, the discussion of the erasure of "Mongol" records to be replaced by "Russian Christian" records by of all people, Stalin, contradicts the narrative. I've seen many travelogues in Kazan and I don't think there is any erasure anymore. Without a doubt there were communist purges of history in the USSR, but Kazan seems pretty confident in its buildings and tours of its Mongol/Tatarian past.

The argument the presenter makes is that an 1825 textbook in America claimed that the Tatarians traced their history back, not to Genghis Khan, but to Noah's son, Japhet. Then he throws in that the Rockefeller's banned it some decades later. A common theme.

Anyone familiar with western psyops can see where this is going. It was a given that the Old Testament was actual history in the 1800's in Revivalist America. The idea that all of these patriarchs of Tartary, Mongol, Altai world came from the Levant with a mission to start a grand civilization that never happened in Judea - it's nuts.

There is a common theme in these Pysops for the North American conspiracy consumer who is right of center:

Lost Civilization in Asia that was once worldwide - known by Americans who studied the Bible in the 1800's - erased by Russian communists - found out to be the truth by YouTubers in the past ten years - confirmed by Putin in 2024.

Now Putin will release the "Taratry Files". The truth will be revealed. The Bible is actual history. Who wrote the Bible? All civilization comes from Noah's sons. So maybe Israel should be in charge of the planet. Or maybe their handlers...

This video is ultra-sophisticated. The presenter blurs lines in the linguistic field between completely different language groups and makes it sound convincing. He also convincingly conflates external records on the Mongol invasions with much later Ottoman records (both were Turkic - both were enemies) and makes it seem like there's a seamless connection between Genghis and the Ottoman's - when in fact they had completely different concepts of ruler ship.

His argument that "Conventional Historians" have zero records of the Golden Horde calling themselves that means that they were Tartarians (meaning no connection the the Mongols) is amazing. It would be like saying no records ever naming Germany as Germany are accurate. Only records describing the history of Deustschland happened.

There's a lot more in this video that is really mind-blowing. It is not the work of an amateur "conspiracy theorist". There are shades of "The Grand Chessboard" in the presentation and multiple CIA talking points. With the production values and complexity of "muddy waters" presented from a wholly western point of view it amazes me how much work went into this.

It would seem that someone somewhere in very high places wants an ancient civilization to be "resurrected" as the true civilization.

The one quote that points to this is, "If the Tartaria coverup was to be exposed, it would completely re-frame the power structure of contemporary civilization".

Sounds a little "undergrounder" to me...

If this was a serious attempt at revealing a lost civilization, why is there no archaeology going on? Why isn't there a bunch of YouTube or Telegram channels with Tatars and Russians showing anomalous civilization relics? I see a lot of Tatar travelogues and conversely a lot of megalithic Siberian explorations. But somehow the heart of Grand Tartary (always spelt wrong in the west) in Kazan - there's no discussion?

 

[Kadam303]

tartaria or not, i don't care. what is exiting are the old buildings , churches, cathedrals that seems to had different purpose that we have been told . and they are a global phenomena .

i will not spam with all pictures of buildings of the old world , they are somewhere above :)

 

[irjO]

This theory of Tartaria with the world affairs and all that, is like trying to connect the Gaul with Disneyland France. I did a research on the topic a year ago on X, and the conclusion is that is mixing different concepts, of real places and events with theories and a lot of AI manipulated images and pics.

Yes there was a region called Tartaria by the West because of the tartar tribes, and the Siberia territory which was not very known to Europeans, and no, they never harvested energy from the ether (?) neither from cathedrals or other buildings.

We had those architectural designs back then due to the renaissance and the religious believe that the higher the building gets the closer to god and the heavens they were, also it shows the development and power of the region to other countries/empires.

If we ever harvested energy from atoms present in the lower atmosphere, would have been back around 7000 YA or more from the pyramids or maybe some Indian temples or similar places.

The mud flood catastrophe has happened many times in different places and eras, not just one recent planetary event. At least not since the younger dryas. And still happens here and there when hurricanes or big storms hits.

 

[A Jay]

what is exiting are the old buildings , churches, cathedrals that seems to had different purpose that we have been told . and they are a global phenomena .

How do you know they had a different purpose and what is this alternative purpose?

I've heard many claim they're "free energy" structures along the lines of Tesla's Wardenclyffe Tower, but they're always very scant on the details of how they know this is true. I've yet to come across anyone who has shared historical accounts of the alternative purposes of these structures. A book or news article from the time, a diary of a witness, or anything at all that contradicts what is in the more popular histories of these buildings.

 

[BHelmet]

And how do we "know" anything? We read, watch videos and we can look with our eyes. What can be an absolutely trusted source to say we really know? If a point of view or narrative is widely held, does that give it more weight? But... no, there is no proof of these things like free energy. It is speculation.

What gets too often overlooked in this debate is one of the C's core tenets: time line manipulation. They even said we can't begin to conceive of the ramifications. The notion that a linear time line can be constructed is sheer folly if it is true that insertions, deletions and manipulations can be caused by higher density beings. If the collapse of the Roman Empire actually occurred in the 500's due to catastrophe, what does that say about certainty of our timeline after it? If the 2nd sun actually already visited earth during the last solar minimum, that could explain some of the mud flood theories. But I digress.

I recently went to Mexico City and visited many famous ancient buildings and cathedrals. All speculation aside - as I sat in the Metropolitan Cathedral - I sat pondering how could it have been built with no power tools, no cranes, nothing but block and tackles, horses and wagons and basically Hecho a Mano? C'est impossible. That's how it looked. Can I explain it? No. And if you ask me, one of the biggest let downs is that this line of questioning has not been taken up with the C's.

The largest and oldest in the western hemisphere if I am not mistaken. Photos do not do it justice. That said>

below is a fraction (!) of the interior - one side corridor!

 

[A Jay]

It would be far more helpful if you were to look into it and find specific things about it that are not currently explainable.

It could be along the lines of the Barabar caves where the shape of the caves carved in hard granite was done with such geometric precision that no one can figure out how they did it.

It could also be an issue of sources not aligning. With someone saying this part was built at this time and another saying it was built at a drastically different time.

If something about the place doesn't add up, the history or otherwise, there's always a trace. If you can find the trace, then we'll have something to ask about. Otherwise, there's really no question to ask.

 

[irjO]

I recently went to Mexico City and visited many famous ancient buildings and cathedrals. All speculation aside - as I sat in the Metropolitan Cathedral - I sat pondering how could it have been built with no power tools, no cranes, nothing but block and tackles, horses and wagons and basically Hecho a Mano? C'est impossible. That's how it looked. Can I explain it? No. And if you ask me, one of the biggest let downs is that this line of questioning has not been taken up with the C's.

Do not underestimate the abilities of old masons. Many old cathedrals, specially those following the gothic design were considered even marvels back then.
The era’s architects called master masons, designed those cathedrals using geometric principles and proportional systems very carefully calculated. Plans were drawn usually in plaster, often at full scale on site in many cases. The church (which always has been rich) funded those projects, aiming to reflect divine glory.

Mostly commonly used stone (e.g., limestone, sandstone) was quarried locally or transported via rivers or small pieces through big chariots and then used as the main material. Timber for part of the scaffolding and the roofing came from wood and plaster materials, in other cases, a mix similar to concrete and hard clay. Lime mortar, made by burning limestone, bound stones together to create big facades.
Medieval builders also used cranes to construct cathedrals, though they were far simpler than modern ones we have today.

What we can gather from this, is that religion and faith made people to create beautiful buildings as a demonstration for wanting to get closer and be recognized by the divine. Obviously the rulers of the region were ambitious more than anything. And many cathedrals (specially the big ones) took about 100 years to be completed!! It wasn’t something done in 2 to 5 years. I think the live example nowadays is La Sagrada Familia in Barcelona! Amazing building that wasn’t originally planned to be this big, although the original design was already huge, nothing like the size it has right now, but since technology got better, they started adding more layers from the original design that Gaudi created and they haven’t completed it yet.

We got Roman buildings way before dark ages which building designs were marvelous and if it not were because of looting, war and natural disasters, would still standing to this day. It just happens that architecture has become lifeless and plain since the last century, there is not architectural life to modern buildings. Only plain geometrical forms, specially on the west! So if today we se see gothic buildings, churches or palaces from centuries ago it really leave you impressed and with admiration.

The only thing we know (per the Cs) so far is that sound focusing wave technique to make buildings was lost around 100 b.C, and after that we had to move on to other more rudimentary methods.

However, like A Jay mentioned, structures such as the caves mentioned, pyramids, carved temples and those really old buildings and megalithic formations, that have so many perfections and astronomical aligned designs, and many built with huge stones impossible to move, and things that are really hard to replicate even today, those are the things that would really be interesting to research deeply and get answers to.