Session 25 January 2025

[Ricardo]

(cont .) Session 26 November 1994 :

(...)

A: 5th level is contemplation zone for both "sides".

Q: (L) Does that mean that at the contemplation level that there is no activity? (J) Is it like a "time out?"

A: Close. Balancer.

(...)

 

[Fluffy]

For me it is the other way around.
As far as I understand, in 5D the Soul contemplates the experiences lived when it was incarnated, reflects on all this, understands, heals its wounds, and when it is ready it can decide to incarnate again, according to its free will.
The fact that when one is there, one can live in a pleasant environment, such as the one we would like to live in, has to do with the fact that we need appropriate conditions for healing. And it has nothing to do with the search for satisfaction.

Instead, 4D is an area or place that is more conducive to the kind of activities you mention. As well as the manifestation of our wishful thinking, i.e., what I think you mean by “create your own reality”, and especially when the latter is inclined to self-service, it is the ideal environment for the manipulation of new Souls there, by entities who have long been 4D STS. In fact, it is to the 4D environment that they take those they abduct or abduct from 3D, to give them some treatment and then return them to 3D.

Fluffy, I don't mean to clear up the mystery, that's simply how I understand it for now.

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And all points of view are valid because none of us really know for sure.
When we refer to 5D being our home, I suspect that some souls never leave home and do all of their learning from there, is this what the C’s call the long wave cycle as opposed to the short wave cycle of incarnations? I’m not sure.
My posts on this topic are mere tossing around of ideas. I don’t claim to know anything about how those higher densities work but it’s fun to speculate on the question, why would there need to be an elevator used by 4D sts to take 3D people to 5D? It’s a really interesting question to me.

 

[Ricardo]

And all points of view are valid because none of us really know for sure.
When we refer to 5D being our home, I suspect that some souls never leave home and do all of their learning from there, is this what the C’s call the long wave cycle as opposed to the short wave cycle of incarnations? I’m not sure.
My posts on this topic are mere tossing around of ideas. I don’t claim to know anything about how those higher densities work but it’s fun to speculate on the question, why would there need to be an elevator used by 4D sts to take 3D people to 5D? It’s a really interesting question to me.

( IF ) For noms .

session 10 December 1994 :

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Q: (F) So, does this mean that we, or anyone else who is classified as STS, remains on said path, that we will eventually end up in a Black Hole?

A: Close.

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[Nienna]

It has occurred to me that the C's say that STS is confined to fifth density, meaning they cannot relate to other souls.

I do not understand what you are saying here, @Wandering Star . Is there another way you can say this so I can understand what you mean?

 

[Wandering Star]

I do not understand what you are saying here, @Wandering Star . Is there another way you can say this so I can understand what you mean?

Yes, the problem is finding the session where the C's say that STS is confined in fifth density and therefore cannot continue its progression towards sixth density.

STS is entropic, therefore it is the self increasingly concentrated, therefore separated from seventh density, disconnected if you will.

Ra in the Law of One channeled by Carla talk about a positive and negative time-space (the fifth density) and one is exclusive of the other.

The being in its progression between lives will recycle in one or the other.

Therefore, the fifth density STS does not relate to the fifth density of the rest of the souls in their progression towards the one or seventh density.

This is my idea on this matter.

 

[Wandering Star]

I found it:

(Adobe via Zoom) Am I still on? We've been discussing that on the Near Death Experience or Afterlife thread, and in reading through the books, we're going, "Hey, where's all the baddies?" You know, when you hear the near death experience and the karmic stuff, you always hear these great, wonderful stories. If someone dies and it's all wonderful and they come back and it's all wonderful and it's like, "Hey, is there any bad over there?" Where are the service to self people that are putting together a program for their next life where they're gonna do real bad stuff? They're coming down here to learn how to be baddies. So there's no stories of that. So why is the negative side of the other dimensions and densities unrepresented when we go to read about near death and karmic stuff? Well, some of the stuff does, like the recent movie, and I forget the name of it, the 'Astral City' and also Wicklands '30 years among Dead'. They do represent some negativity, but it's generally lost souls not far from us. So let's get back to the question. Okay. Why is the negativity less represented in the truth at 5D?

A: 5th density does not work that way. Negative entities are intensely entropic and sort of gravitationally enclosed so as to give them the opportunity to reflect on their choices. They may then decide to try again but it is rare for the truly negative to reincarnate. They are subsumed.

 

[Nienna]

Yes, the problem is finding the session where the C's say that STS is confined in fifth density and therefore cannot continue its progression towards sixth density.

I found it:

Thank you very much for clarifying, And this is what I was thinking about when reading the post where I was not understanding what you meant. I couldn't come up with the word(s) to find the session.

In quite a few books they do mention a place on the other side of the veil (5D) where those who, for want of a better term, are evil reside. It is a dark place without hardly any light. They continue to be the "dark" personalities that they are by subjugating those who are weaker they they are in that environment and will stay there until they start to not want to be there anymore and so start trying to see why they are there and do something about it in various ways.

So I would say that what you have said is as correct as we can be without actually seeing it for ourselves. Those who are truly a very hardcore STS would never leave that place.

Thank you again for your reply.

 

[VinnyG2]

the way i interpreted it is that they get enclosed within fifth density, gravitating towards each other and so are less "represented" because they don't "hang around" with the other guys

also 6th has STS entities which you can read about both in Cs and the Ra material, some of which probably are "us" in the future(except kantekkians which are likely lizards)

 

[Il Matto]

Image below from Wave 3 page 334.

Thank you for posting the image Ricardo, t'was a helpful reminder!

My posts on this topic are mere tossing around of ideas. I don’t claim to know anything about how those higher densities work but it’s fun to speculate on the question, why would there need to be an elevator used by 4D sts to take 3D people to 5D? It’s a really interesting question to me.

I sentiment I whole-heartedly share.
Call it childhood programming, but this 'elevator' business brings to mind Roald Dahl's 'Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator'.. a story which also, funnily enough, features predatory aliens (the 'Vermicious Knids')..

 

[Wandering Star]

also 6th has STS entities

Not exactly:

Q: (L) But still, is there an STS experience at 6th density, like the 6th density Orions?

A: These are only reflections of individuals, not unified entities. These reflections exist for balance. They are not whole entities, just thought forms.

Q: (L) Are these 6th density beings what the Bible describes as a "gathering" of angels as in the story of Job where "Lucifer" came in before the Lord...

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, there are STS and STO at 6th density which balance? And they are just there, they exist?

A: Reflection for balance.

 

[Wandering Star]

also 6th has STS entities

And this is from Ra (Law of One):

Session 36
March 10, 1981

QUESTIONER: Let me take as an example the one you mentioned, called Himmler. From that example we assume that his higher self was sixth density, and it has been stated that Himmler chose the negative path. So his higher self resides in a negative sixth density situation? Can you elaborate on this?

RA: I am Ra. There are no negative beings who have attained the manifestation of the Oversoul, which is the honor/duty of the entire advanced sixth density mind/body/spirit complex, as you would call it in your own measure of time. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which we believe has never been overcome, for upon graduation to fifth density wisdom is available, but it must be matched by an equal amount of love. This love/light is extremely difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path, and during the early part of sixth density the negatively oriented social complexes will choose to release their potential and make the leap into positive sixth density.
Therefore, the Oversoul who makes its understanding available to all who are ready to receive that assistance is positively oriented. However, the free will of the individual is of crucial importance, and any guidance provided by the higher self can be considered in either the positive or negative polarity, depending on the choice of the mind/body/spirit complex.

QUESTIONER: So, using the example of Himmler, at the time he incarnated in the 1940s, was his higher self of positive sixth density?

RA: I am Ra. That is correct.

QUESTIONER: Did Himmler have any form of contact with his higher self at the time he was incarnated during the 1940s?

RA: I am Ra. We remind you that the negative path is one of separation.
What is the first separation? That of the self from the self. The one known as Himmler did not choose to use his will and polarization abilities to seek guidance from any source, but rather his own conscious impulses, chosen by himself in life experience and fueled by previous inclinations created in other life experiences.

QUESTIONER: Let us say the moment when Himmler reaches negative sixth density. Will he discover that his higher self is positively oriented, and therefore make the leap from negative to positive orientation?

RA: I am Ra. That is not correct. The negative sixth density entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy that occurs due to the inability to express sixth density unity. Thus, by loving the Creator and realizing at a given moment that the Creator is not only the self, but the fellow being as self, that entity consciously chooses an instant reorientation of energy so that it can continue its evolution.

 

[Olivierlejardinier]

the way i interpreted it is that they get enclosed within fifth density, gravitating towards each other and so are less "represented" because they don't "hang around" with the other guys

also 6th has STS entities which you can read about both in Cs and the Ra material, some of which probably are "us" in the future(except kantekkians which are likely lizards)

Hi @VinnyG2, Welcome to the forum . We aren't yet in 5D but since it's your first post, we would appreciate if you could post an intro in the newbies thread as it's customary for new members. Little steps make long road.

 

[VinnyG2]

And this is from Ra (Law of One):

Session 36
March 10, 1981

QUESTIONER: Let me take as an example the one you mentioned, called Himmler. From that example we assume that his higher self was sixth density, and it has been stated that Himmler chose the negative path. So his higher self resides in a negative sixth density situation? Can you elaborate on this?

RA: I am Ra. There are no negative beings who have attained the manifestation of the Oversoul, which is the honor/duty of the entire advanced sixth density mind/body/spirit complex, as you would call it in your own measure of time. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which we believe has never been overcome, for upon graduation to fifth density wisdom is available, but it must be matched by an equal amount of love. This love/light is extremely difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path, and during the early part of sixth density the negatively oriented social complexes will choose to release their potential and make the leap into positive sixth density.
Therefore, the Oversoul who makes its understanding available to all who are ready to receive that assistance is positively oriented. However, the free will of the individual is of crucial importance, and any guidance provided by the higher self can be considered in either the positive or negative polarity, depending on the choice of the mind/body/spirit complex.

QUESTIONER: So, using the example of Himmler, at the time he incarnated in the 1940s, was his higher self of positive sixth density?

RA: I am Ra. That is correct.

QUESTIONER: Did Himmler have any form of contact with his higher self at the time he was incarnated during the 1940s?

RA: I am Ra. We remind you that the negative path is one of separation.
What is the first separation? That of the self from the self. The one known as Himmler did not choose to use his will and polarization abilities to seek guidance from any source, but rather his own conscious impulses, chosen by himself in life experience and fueled by previous inclinations created in other life experiences.

QUESTIONER: Let us say the moment when Himmler reaches negative sixth density. Will he discover that his higher self is positively oriented, and therefore make the leap from negative to positive orientation?

RA: I am Ra. That is not correct. The negative sixth density entity is extremely wise. It observes the spiritual entropy that occurs due to the inability to express sixth density unity. Thus, by loving the Creator and realizing at a given moment that the Creator is not only the self, but the fellow being as self, that entity consciously chooses an instant reorientation of energy so that it can continue its evolution.

I'd take the controversial answers to mean that there levels to each density like in the law of octaves and the "fragmented entities" whatever that means have a hard time going beyond initial ones

 

[Wandering Star]

controversial answers

For you, for others no.

 

[Ricardo]

It’s a really interesting question to me.

fwiiw , questions good ;)