What is consciousness?

[msasa79]

There are multiple references throughout the sessions about what is consciousness, but unfortunately so far they haven't given birth to something close to a proper definition in mathematical terms, that can be worked with within known frameworks like algebra for example.

For the purpose of having sort of a dataset to work with in that direction, to kind of get a broader view of phase space we are dealing with here, I am asking for a bit of your time and energy to be invested in answering a few questions below.

If you will, you can put your answers in the spoiler boxes, sort of not to influence others in their answers.
Thank you.


- What do you see when you look at yourself, at your consciousness?
-- What kind of a being do you see? Does it have boundaries, and if so how do you perceive them?
-- Do you perceive that your consciousness has sort of a "seat", and if so where would that be?

- How do you perceive consciousness of others around you and that you interact with?

 

[axj]

There are multiple references throughout the sessions about what is consciousness, but unfortunately so far they haven't given birth to something close to a proper definition in mathematical terms, that can be worked with within known frameworks like algebra for example.

Did you check the information theory thread where Ark and others discuss possible mathematical frameworks for consciousness?

- What do you see when you look at yourself, at your consciousness?
-- What kind of a being do you see? Does it have boundaries, and if so how do you perceive them?
-- Do you perceive that your consciousness has sort of a "seat", and if so where would that be?

- How do you perceive consciousness of others around you and that you interact with?

Not sure if spoilers are necessary, but here you go:

Spoiler

In deep meditation I can perceive consciousness or my 'being' as not being limited to within the body. It is easiest to sense the 'energetic aura' around me. Sometimes it seems like my consciousness or 'beingness' is limitless. However, consciousness definitely seems to have a focus point, seemingly in the center of the head ('third eye' location). It also seems possible to shift this focus point somewhat, for example above the head and maybe the heart.

Not sure if perceiving the consciousness of others is even possible in 3D, other than having occasional experiences that seem to suggest telepathic communication to some degree. Empathy and perceiving the feelings of others may be similar to perceiving the consciousness of others as well.

 

[John G]

Spoiler

You are aware of your whole body but you can tell the brain is the seat especially when you do something like run your head into a tree while sledding, consciousness becomes different. You kind of figure others are like you consciousness-wise but apparently things like internal dialogue can be different with different people.

 

[msasa79]

Thank you both very much for sharing your insights.

Not sure if perceiving the consciousness of others is even possible in 3D, other than having occasional experiences that seem to suggest telepathic communication to some degree. Empathy and perceiving the feelings of others may be similar to perceiving the consciousness of others as well.

Well, it might be argued that there's a decent finite probability that we, that is our consciousness, do perceive the consciousness of others, but not necessarily in the way we would usually "expect to see" them, as something unchangeable and independent of our own consciousness that is observing.

Your both shared assessments, which are pretty much in line with my own observations, point into direction that consciousness, as we usually refer to it, sort of belongs to non-material realm, to the world of spirits or eventually to the imaginal world of Ibn al'Arabi as the barzakh or bridge between the corporeal and spiritual worlds (see attached picture from Chittick's "The Sufi Path of Knowledge", p. 16).
At least in let's say first approximation or narrow scope and context.



If we take into account how we as humans have perceived for example window-fallers and other beings not usually part of our 3-dimensional earthly realm, like aliens as fairies before then recently as reptoids, there's an indication that our perception or perception of our consciousness depends on our awareness or available information stored in our consciousness, sort of on what's in our information banks, including what's part of the collective human consciousness or let's say in the overall spirit of humanity on Earth.

It seems that we give form or inform the space or material realm we perceive other consciousness inhabits based on what our consciousness reads as the essence of consciousness of others we are observing and interacting with. In a sense like our consciousness creates an spatial image, a corporeal hologram of sorts, of observed being it interacts with according to the most suitable available reference in its information bank for the observed essence of such a being.

In the case of interaction with our fellow humans, we just see and perceive, and maybe even usually project or reflect as our brains and minds are rather lazy and in most cases automatically go for what's closest and quickest reference our waking consciousness can get access to, other human beings like ourselves.

 

[Ricardo]

I've had , fwiiw , over the years the occasional , lets say what i'd call, "explicit " telepathic experience(s), but would not consider this to be perceiving the consciousness of others , the centers are always moving so this is at most , a tiny fragment of a stream . And indeed could lead one astray in a more plentiful variety of impressions , but yet still very much a part of " a " influences or worse.

 

[msasa79]

Previous post described possible spatial effects of interactions between consciousness, that is what potential capabilities of consciousness could be when basically reading information stored in another consciousness being.

Exchange with the C's during the session of May 29th 2021 might shed some light on possible capabilities consciousness could have when it comes to time as we usually perceive it.

Q: (Ark) Consciousness is related to information. What really happens when things happen is that information is recorded. Where is information recorded?

A: By consciousness. [laughter] Information recorded equals time.

[...]

Q: Is consciousness stored in the universal information field similar to how information is stored in water? Is the universe an information field as the medium in which consciousness resides?

(L) Information field... The medium in which consciousness resides...

A: Vice versa.

Q: (Chu) The other way around.

(L) So consciousness is the medium in which information resides.

First, let's assume that what the C's said in the exchange quoted here is true.
Then what they said during the session of July 6th 2024, "that "time" is selective and variable" is self-evidently also true, because "recording of information" is not something that has to be necessarily performed, making "time" selective, and the time flow obviously would depend on let's say the speed of recording or how fast or slow the recording of information is performed, making "time" variable.

Next, the C's used the word "equals" which indicates mathematical precision or the exact equality in mathematical terms, in a sense providing a definition or one of possible definitions for "time", which can be then rewritten as:
time = information recorded by consciousness = consciousness recording information.

The second line from the C's, that "the consciousness is the medium in which information resides", together with what they said during the session of May 28th 2013, when they replied "Consciousness." to Pierre's question "I wanted to know where information is stored?", points to conclusion that recording also basically stores the information in the consciousness which performs the recording.

Possible implications of this are practically limitless, exciting and thrilling and mind-blowing, but also might give chills through the spine.
On one side of the time flow spectrum or recording information by our consciousness, are things like "learning is fun" when consciousness having fun and learning in the process, which is effectively recording and storing information, perceives that time flows faster. The above definition of time implies that this perceived increased time flow is not only matter of perception, but that it is what actually happens. Learning, as an actual recording of information by consciousness, really produces or creates time, or more time than usual, which is experienced as faster time flow during that activity.

It might also imply that the "missing time" phenomenon is not necessarily something that happens without any influence of the consciousness experiencing it, it can even probably be induced or caused by the consciousness going through the experience of sudden and overwhelming influx of recorded information into its being.

It also implies that when consciousness is learning, that is accessing the information in the cosmic information field and recording and storing that information in its space or part within the Divine Cosmic Mind, the whole respective Ray of Creation and basically everybody and everything is experiencing increased flow of time and sort of is given the opportunity to learn and develop in a faster pace as well if chosen so through the observation, which is kind of reflected in the C's saying that it's fun for All to see how much we can access. Learning, as in having fun too, becomes de facto an act of service to others, service to All, service to the Divine Cosmic Mind.
This also points to networking and sharing the information being of great importance for the service to others path, as those activities give opportunities for others to learn and record information and create time for all in their own ways, enriching everybody in the process.

On the other side of the time flow spectrum, apart of boring activities dragging themselves endlessly slow, is sort of 5D, for which Pierre said that time practically does not exist there, which basically means that it does not flow on that density level. If 5D really is contemplation zone as suggested, then it makes perfect sense that in 5D time would not flow, not only as perceived by a consciousness there, but actually there would be no time in 5D, as practically no new information would be recorded by the consciousness and stored into their beings there. The information recorded during various incarnations by living experiences would then be assessed and contemplated in 5D, where the essences of consciousness beings reside, and eventually plans and blueprints for new recordings would me made to access the information needed for let's say bridging the gaps in awareness as one of the endless possibilities.

Bottom line, it seems that by going back to physical or material incarnations, to all the potential sufferings that might be and probably will be experienced during these incarnations, to being taxed immensely by being embodied, the consciousness de facto chooses service to others path of its development. In that sense, it makes perfect sense that once 7D has been reached, the consciousness performs the ultimate service to others act by dispersing and spreading itself as innumerous new 1D elementary consciousness units to create time anew and again for others, for All, because at that final density level there is basically no new information that could be recorded as all of the infinity has always for all the eternity already been recorded and resides there in the Divine Cosmic Mind.
And besides, apart from being boring there, as Joe accurately pointed out, it give enormous fun to All to see what kinds of accessing from infinitely many possibilities the new path and choices made and lived on it will provide for consciousness to experience this time.

 

[axj]

at that final density level there is basically no new information that could be recorded as all of the infinity has always for all the eternity already been recorded and resides there in the Divine Cosmic Mind.

I think we should be careful with making assumptions like this. There are many possibilities, including that existence may not be truly infinite.

In that sense, it makes perfect sense that once 7D has been reached, the consciousness performs the ultimate service to others act by dispersing and spreading itself as innumerous new 1D elementary consciousness units to create time anew and again for others, for All

At 7D there should no 'Others' though, just the All-Is-One. But again, it may be more complex than that, eg. some consciousness units may continue from one Big Bang grand cycle to another and maybe become the first 6D beings in a new cycle.

 

[msasa79]

I think we should be careful with making assumptions like this. There are many possibilities, including that existence may not be truly infinite.

Yeah, there are probably infinitely many possibilities, including that one.
The C's said though that there are infinitely many algebraic dimensions which come from infinitely many iterations of space and time. That suggests that overall existence is in fact infinite.

At 7D there should no 'Others' though, just the All-Is-One. But again, it may be more complex than that, eg. some consciousness units may continue from one Big Bang grand cycle to another and maybe become the first 6D beings in a new cycle.

According to the C's, Big Bang happens repeatedly all the time basically everywhere. There seems to be no one-time beginning, at least not at this point, which is eternal now, if remember right what the C's suggested. It's just the Wave cycling.

Although at 7D there is no "others" as such, there still are other consciousness units within the All or within the DCM, going their own respective paths and learning their own respective lessons. Once at 7D, consciousness would have reached the awareness of All, and as that is service to others path, it would give itself "back" to others who are not yet there, like an ultimate act of love, or as the C's said, Thou I Love.
In that sense, there are others, parts of the All. But as there are probably infinitely many possibilities, it could very well be that some parts of the consciousness reaching the density level of All might choose to experience the consciousness unit of 6D being again.
I just think that's not very likely to happen though.

 

[Ricardo]

(...) including that existence may not be truly infinite (...)

Don't know what i don't know , but there's no infinity absent of unity , and , this would invalidate " fractal (lity) "

 

[Joan]

Ah! The question of all time in the reality in which we exist, philosophers, theologians and many more...Now AI is attempting to give us answers. It is a veil has been introduced to prevent humanity from discovering the truth about consciousness. It remains an enigma for our 3D reality. It seems to me we will be forever searching for the truth in a round circular movement, with never discovering the truth. Maybe in this reality, we are not ready for the truth to be fully disclosed, too many learning lessons, it would bring into questions of who and what we are.

 

[palestine]

- What do you see when you look at yourself, at your consciousness?
-- What kind of a being do you see? Does it have boundaries, and if so how do you perceive them?
-- Do you perceive that your consciousness has sort of a "seat", and if so where would that be?

- How do you perceive consciousness of others around you and that you interact with?

Hey msasa79 since we talked in the other room, I saw your post so I will go on with the exercise! Not that easy actually so I will tray to answer briefly.

Spoiler

- What do you see when you look at yourself

I see a boy, kind of young, and kind. Boy kindness. Basic "good boy".

- What do you see when you look at your consciousness?

I see a form, basically round but more oval, like an egg, the limits are not a straight line, purely round, but the boundary of the egg is like hairs in term of shape. Like grass, it just means that it's not straight flat like a glass, a table for example. It's glowing, it's light and there are thin black flares coming out of it. Thin threads the size of the egg, in length. I am not even sure that the consciousness has teh form of an egg. I would say that it's "an origination" and that it overall occupies a delimited space, like a blob.

-- What kind of a being do you see? Does it have boundaries, and if so how do you perceive them?

Difficult to tell. Now I cannot access such question but I saw "a guy" when I first read your post. A black guy. But. You know, a warrior, but this does not mean that he is "a bad man". In a similar vein, the cosmos has laws and things are sometimes appearing dark and we may be tempted to label those "bad" when in fact it's not it. And so I believe that this is it but definitely a black guy. There is room for it to be "an STS host" like stuff too I would say but I cannot assert it.

It has boundaries, very polished, on the opposite of "the consciousness". The boudaries are firm and there is this time no "grass effect".

-- Do you perceive that your consciousness has sort of a "seat", and if so where would that be?

Yes it does. Actually, I believe that I kind of have some "veil". Not some good veil, you know, and it may be due basic programming, dissociated parts. Some split or lack of integration. Some prevention of two things from coming together. And so there is a clear boundary between - well - the black guy and the white glow. Both are dissociated or at least not integrated together. There seems to be interactions, it's no 100% wall. But I cannot even tell you that such separation is actually sane or not. I am having hard times to qualify which one is the most close to me, or telling you where the consciousness seat resides. In one or the another I believe.

- How do you perceive consciousness of others around you and that you interact with?

In terms of social relationship exclusively. I don't see glows because I am not consciously looking for it. I guess that I am beware of respecting the spiritual boundaries of the other so I am never checking about any form of spiritual stuff in, let's say, a physical appearance, an idea. I kind of know that it's actually forbidden to scan people. So what remains is the impression. I would hear how the other behave and how he talks etc in order to assess a spiritual level.

Good luck in your research!

 

[msasa79]

The gist of my previous post is possible and probable implications of time being information recorded by consciousness.

First, that we, consciousness units, our consciousness or our souls, de facto create time.
That is there seems to be no time as a separate dimension in 3+1 dimensional spacetime as modern science and physics promulgates. The C's even suggested something in that direction during the session of February 10th 2018.

(Ark) Okay. Then I was asking at some point about consciousness. And the answer was that I will understand consciousness if I'm able to invert formulation of gravity. But formulation of gravity according to Einstein is based again on space-time, where time is a dimension. So how can I invert something that is wrong from the beginning since it's based on space and time?

A: Replace time with consciousness.

Q: (Scottie) So it's space-consciousness instead of space-time. The space-consciousness continuum!

Second, that our perceptions that time flows faster when we're doing something fun and exciting, and flows slower when activities are tedious, is not necessarily only matter of perception, but might actually be a real thing. That in itself is kind of mind-blowing.

And third, that time, at least its linear flow that we have most likely been programmed to believe in, actually might not exist in 5D or that it does not flow if no recording of information by consciousness is being done.

The part about the 7D was more like a cherry on top of everything what's written before that. It has flowed naturally to the screen as a nice concluding remarks. Focusing on that part only, seems to be like ignoring the elephant that has just landed in the room prior to that.
FWIW.

 

[Glenn]

Ah! The question of all time in the reality in which we exist, philosophers, theologians and many more...Now AI is attempting to give us answers. It is a veil has been introduced to prevent humanity from discovering the truth about consciousness. It remains an enigma for our 3D reality. It seems to me we will be forever searching for the truth in a round circular movement, with never discovering the truth. Maybe in this reality, we are not ready for the truth to be fully disclosed, too many learning lessons, it would bring into questions of who and what we are.

And not only that. If you do figure it out, you better watch your back... as many have found out.

 

[palestine]

The gist of my previous post is possible and probable implications of time being information recorded by consciousness.

This is too complicated for me so it's cool that you are able to deal with those concepts! Good luck!

Reading your last comment made me think that we may see things more clearly after some sustained physical efforts - or reading, etc. Could be an idea if such avenues appear to be relevant. I would suggest as well to check about Pierre's findings in term of "the Information Field" - could be that it's a prime mechanism deserving a place, or having an active role, in your field of study. Could not, as well.

Good luck!

 

[axj]

Once at 7D, consciousness would have reached the awareness of All, and as that is service to others path, it would give itself "back" to others who are not yet there, like an ultimate act of love, or as the C's said,

The way the C's described it is that we all go to 7D together once everyone reaches 6D. How that works without time as we know it is another question.

There were similar discussions and interesting ideas on these topics in this thread recently - including whether existence is a true infinity or not.