Brace Yourselves For War Between Iran and Israel
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Just to recap. The whole point of this attack on Iran is to gain total control of the oil and gas resources in the Middle East and thereby strangle China's (and Russia) plan for a multipolar world, unseating the US as hegemon - and by definition Israel as the ME hegemon.
So it's "existential" for both the US and Israel, and by implication the major European powers.
That's the short version.
So it's "existential" for both the US and Israel, and by implication the major European powers.
That's the short version.
Yes. And no, they are not nuclear bombs, don't think anyone said they were. They're bunker-busters. Nukes are not bunker-busters. Nukes are designed to lay waste to large surface areas and their population.
He's right a lot of the time. Who else has the Iran nukes part right?
Sorry, I was sure they were nuclear.
Iran's Supreme Leader is not in the mood for surrender. He has said that nuclear weapons are a “cardinal and unforgivable sin”, so maybe he is a counterbalance to more chaotic forces in the country. Bibi and Trump seem to want to nuke him personally, though, go figure. Anyway, there's a hint of unforeseen consequences for the US if their involvement in Israeli violence continues.
apnews.com
Iran's leader rejects call to surrender, saying US intervention would cause 'irreparable damage'
Iran’s supreme leader has rejected U.S. calls for surrender in the face of blistering Israeli strikes and warned that any military involvement by the Americans would cause “irreparable damage” to them.
apnews.com
What is possible for Iran and perhaps more plausible is to restrict the flow of oil through the straits of the Hormuz. It will hurt Iran too of course but if their own oil refineries are bombed, then that is a non-nuclear way to hurt the West especially if the restriction only applies to Western bound vessels. Closing the straits completely will hurt China and other allies too.
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Strait Of Hormuz Disruption Fears Surge After Former Iranian Minister Threatens Transit Restrictions | ZeroHedge
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Soaring oil prices means higher inflation and what counts for American voters, significantly higher prices at the pump.
It would seem like that this is one of the crucial mistakes Iran has made during the run-up to what is happening now: Not wanting a full fletched military alliance with Russia and/or China. If that was just a mistake is questionable too, since I could imagine that infiltrated sources within Iran did everything in their power to achieve just that: Not go into a real alliance.
At the very least such an alliance would probably have made the empire think twice to do what they seem to want to do now, or at least in such an overt way. If Russia and/or China could have or would have intervened significantly is also not clear, even if they made such a deal. At least Russia and probably also China are probably fully aware that things of that nature could get very serious for their own people/nations if they are not handling it carefully.
Nević Nenad
The Living Force
If Israel and the US knew where Khamenei really is, they would kill him in a second. That and other things they are saying, such as "free Iranians" are just part of the war. Russia wouldn't do anything in military sense even if they had military agreement with Iran. Its just not how Russia operates, its not in their way of thinking. But, they would raise awareness of the destruction of Iran afterwards in the UN and similar organizations. Not that there is any real benefit from that. Remember that it took Russia 8 years to react for their own people in Ukraine. Syria was just bombing campaign. In Iran, Russia could lose more than in Ukraine and have non benefit of that. So forget Russia, if someone is going to help Iran, its covertly China and Pakistan.
I think you are right that it is not the Russian way of thinking as Russia rarely if ever does impulsive knee-jerk reactions. They might however be happy to see a slowing of the weapons flow to Ukraine as Israel is first priority. Perhaps also Patriot missiles in Taiwan (and elsewhere in Asia) or destined for Taiwan will go to Israel to the benefit of China. Considering that Russia has taken the brunt of Western weapons in the last 3+ years, a respite is welcome.
Seato
Jedi Master
I personally lean towards the view that Trump was genuine in his original desire for a peaceful solution. Given all the lies including by Trump himself it may be difficult to truly understand what happened behind the scenes. I have been thinking over Trumps 60 day warning for Iran and the negotiations that followed. Originally this statement was perceived as bluster, a threat made to pressure Iran to negotiate. Or at least make it look like it was the USA responsible for bringing them to the table; after Trump dismantled the previous agreement.
Over the course of the negotiations commentators like those at the Duran observed that Trump appeared to be in rush, mirrored in his approach to Ukraine and Tariff talks. This was at the time suspected to be a combination of Trumps ego and expectations of easily being able to make a deal, as well as the desire for a foreign policy success to wave around.
Regarding Iran, I suspect now that the desperation may have had a darker motivation. With Israel's attack occurring on the 61st day and the statements from Trump and his administration the knowledge and involvement around the attack are clear. Why then the negotiations at all? Were they indeed all a sinister deception by Trump to lull Iran into a false sense of security in time for an attempt at a decapitation strike by Israel?
I conjecture that this original 60 day warning by Trump was not merely a rough attempt at reopening negotiations but an effort to leash Israel and restrain their warmongering at least for a time. Trump in this scenario may have made some deal with Israel to give him time to get a deal though with Iran within the 60 days, promising that if he failed he would support their attack on day 61. The C’s recent session suggested Trump may be using Epstein and other evidence as leverage for deal-making, could this have been one such deal?
This would have allowed Trump to divert some of the immediate pressure from Israel. No doubt his own ego would lead him to believe achieving a deal would be quick and easy. This would remove the need for him to carry through his end of the bargain since the Iranian threat in his eyes would already have been dealt with peacefully.
In this scenario Trumps observed desperation in the negotiations is driven by his knowledge of the impending attack that may destabilize everything and force him into an unwanted military intervention.
I do not intend to frame Trump in an innocent light. His response to the opening attack suggests he naively thought the attack would act as leverage in his ‘Art of the Deal’ philosophy to push Iran to cooperate. This appears a common theme in his foreign policy well demonstrated with Russia and China where he seems to envision that threats and aggression will accelerate diplomacy rather than result in more defensive or even hostile responses.
Just trying to process some of my thoughts on the situation.
Over the course of the negotiations commentators like those at the Duran observed that Trump appeared to be in rush, mirrored in his approach to Ukraine and Tariff talks. This was at the time suspected to be a combination of Trumps ego and expectations of easily being able to make a deal, as well as the desire for a foreign policy success to wave around.
Regarding Iran, I suspect now that the desperation may have had a darker motivation. With Israel's attack occurring on the 61st day and the statements from Trump and his administration the knowledge and involvement around the attack are clear. Why then the negotiations at all? Were they indeed all a sinister deception by Trump to lull Iran into a false sense of security in time for an attempt at a decapitation strike by Israel?
I conjecture that this original 60 day warning by Trump was not merely a rough attempt at reopening negotiations but an effort to leash Israel and restrain their warmongering at least for a time. Trump in this scenario may have made some deal with Israel to give him time to get a deal though with Iran within the 60 days, promising that if he failed he would support their attack on day 61. The C’s recent session suggested Trump may be using Epstein and other evidence as leverage for deal-making, could this have been one such deal?
This would have allowed Trump to divert some of the immediate pressure from Israel. No doubt his own ego would lead him to believe achieving a deal would be quick and easy. This would remove the need for him to carry through his end of the bargain since the Iranian threat in his eyes would already have been dealt with peacefully.
In this scenario Trumps observed desperation in the negotiations is driven by his knowledge of the impending attack that may destabilize everything and force him into an unwanted military intervention.
I do not intend to frame Trump in an innocent light. His response to the opening attack suggests he naively thought the attack would act as leverage in his ‘Art of the Deal’ philosophy to push Iran to cooperate. This appears a common theme in his foreign policy well demonstrated with Russia and China where he seems to envision that threats and aggression will accelerate diplomacy rather than result in more defensive or even hostile responses.
Just trying to process some of my thoughts on the situation.
axj
The Living Force
Indeed. Not entering a military alliance with Russia (and/or China) and not announcing their nukes - either of those two actions could have probably prevented the current war. Hard to explain it any other way than compromised leadership in Iran.
You are forgetting the most important part, that Russia's military is already in a full-fledged war.
Maybe Israel sold this war to Trump as a way to weaken China and the rise of the BRICS. Plus, there is the whole "making Bible prophecies a reality" angle in both Israel and US, though apparently not at the highest levels.
One of the big questions seems to be whether Trump's snubbing of Israel for weeks was authentic, or some kind of play for a better "deal" with them, or just a charade to lull Iran before the Israeli attack as many are claiming.
Lyndi
Jedi Master
Aragorn, those are my thoughts entirely. He is, then he isn't possessed, I'll just use that word, there must be a neuro-scientific word but I don't know it. The patents for mind control are many and varied and that's just what has been brought up by human researchers alerting the public. We have some idea of the influences 4D critters/tech have on people, repeated admonitions for alertness from the C's in transcripts, and many of us, our own experiences in dreams or energy changes or odd events. And we're not elected to stop wars and we get hit, too.
I heard him on the radio from the G7 meeting a couple days ago before he left the summit early to go back to Washington. I've never heard his voice so drained of energy as I heard it then. Not an ounce of Donald Trump in it. Just never heard that lack of vitality.
Trump didn't get assassinated, and when he nearly did and raised his fist instead of crumbling, people were galvanized with admiration, like Elon Musk. This underminin of his psyche, if it is so, is a blockbuster sequel. Prayers made a difference before, in the ear shooting attack. I am certainly praying for the leaders who have been named as STO candidates, Trump, Putin, et al., on the recent thread started by Joe.
From Transcript saying prayers helped prevent Trump attempted assassination last year, the ear shooting time, sorry searched, still not adept at finding quotes in transcripts.:
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