Brace Yourselves For War Between Iran and Israel
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It is interesting that Iran is the Birthplace of Zorastrianism, one can say the origin of monotheistic religion. That religion had a final judgment. The emphasis was on cosmic purification and cleansing. The universe is healed, not separated into good and evil; all souls will be healed or made right with God (some through a painful process, those not properly aligned, FRV). Forgiveness (of personal sins) is not central.
Then came Judaism, which was rather tyrannical. Then Julius Caesar forgave his enemies, and then Jesus died for all our individual sins.
So if an apocalypse is coming, it may not be as many expect, wishful thinking and all that. Mark said it first:
Then came Judaism, which was rather tyrannical. Then Julius Caesar forgave his enemies, and then Jesus died for all our individual sins.
So if an apocalypse is coming, it may not be as many expect, wishful thinking and all that. Mark said it first:
This could also refer to the Pauline Christians making an appearance.
Haven't read through it all yet, but TTAC substack, in response to the Ted Cruz/Tucker encounter, is reiterating what Laura posted:
Candace Owens has also weighed in, pointing out how the Scofield Reference Bible has mislead Christians' beliefs about their religion. Quite noticeable that it's Judeo-Christian faith nowadays. It took me awhile before I finally came across articles that debunked that obvious, purposeful claim. It seems to have taken solid root with too many believers, though, with the worst having the same mindset as Cruz. But that was the objective of the deceivers and that's bringing the whole world to the edge of the abyss. Will we "fall" again . . .
ApotheosisMMC.
Jedi Council Member
As I said, despite how dangerous this game is, from their perspective and given a certain confidence in their abilities that they might have, perhaps they think they can get out of this situation relatively well without having to risk suffocating sanctions yet... everything will depend on how things develop.
Yes, Christians of my generation believe the Scofield insertion is part of the 'real' Bible; they also think that Matthew was the first gospel, so this type of skulduggery has been going on for a long time.
All three major monotheistic religions - all based on an original lie (The Pentateuch) - look set to destroy themselves in a catalytic paroxysm. How sore of a backside do people need to have in order to learn the lessons?
On a personal note, the last church I attended, a United Methodist church - united with the Church of the Brethren, the Methodists were no longer a similar faith as the Presbyterians or so it seemed to me. I remember attending a bible study class and the emphasis was repeatedly on Yahweh rather than God. Me being me, I questioned the logistics of all those animal sacrifices described in the OT. My thoughts were not appreciated.
My childhood family was Presbyterian and I, over time, attended churches of both faiths. Once children came along, Methodist ended up being where we went and not for any particular doctrine against Presbyterians - it just worked out that way. But, as it became increasingly clear to me, the United Methodists were distinctly different from just plain Methodist church I was familiar with. I severed ties the day the preacher berated the congregation for not tithing 10% of their income after he purposely overspent the budget! No doubt I was the only person there who was outraged by his diatribe! Of course now, thanks to Laura and company, the real truth of who "Jesus" was and he wasn't a Jew, born in Bethlehem, or crucified by order of Pilate. Really screwed Christmas for me, but oh well . . . Better truth than to live a lie.
My childhood family was Presbyterian and I, over time, attended churches of both faiths. Once children came along, Methodist ended up being where we went and not for any particular doctrine against Presbyterians - it just worked out that way. But, as it became increasingly clear to me, the United Methodists were distinctly different from just plain Methodist church I was familiar with. I severed ties the day the preacher berated the congregation for not tithing 10% of their income after he purposely overspent the budget! No doubt I was the only person there who was outraged by his diatribe! Of course now, thanks to Laura and company, the real truth of who "Jesus" was and he wasn't a Jew, born in Bethlehem, or crucified by order of Pilate. Really screwed Christmas for me, but oh well . . . Better truth than to live a lie.
The ongoing genocide in Gaza is quite a variable, sponsored by the US. I guess it will depend on the kind of the strike or the repercussion on a nuclear facility, Israel had just strike for the second time Isfahan. Perhaps US is waiting for a greater repercussion, radiation leak in the area?
From TasnimNews Telegram Channel
Isfahan in red point.Isfahan nuclear site has no leakage of hazardous materials
Isfahan Police Security Deputy:
Early this morning, the Zionist regime carried out violations in some areas of the cities of Lanjan, Mobarakeh, Shahreza, and Isfahan.
Link of Mohamad Safa X post.
Shorts from Sputnik X post:
The largest pro-Israel organization in the United States is not composed of Jews, but of Christian evangelicals, with a total membership of 7 million, more than 2 million more members than the entirety of the American Jewish community.
(Article by Whitney Webb republished from MintPressNews.com)
Just as an aside: nobody has elucidated Zionism and "Christian Zionist" better the Whitney Webb. Her major in college was religious studies and she was writing articles and digging her teeth into Christian Zionism and the Scofield bible when BOOM, Jeffery Epstein, Peter Thiel, and bitcoin came into play and she said she just switched and that was that. But for us and the worlds purposes she already did the work in a series called: "The untold story of Christian Zionism’s rise to power in the United States" Tucker should have her on the show
It's Whitney so it's long. I'm only posting it in case someone is interested, or is looking for facts and links.
www.naturalnews.com
(Article by Whitney Webb republished from MintPressNews.com)
Just as an aside: nobody has elucidated Zionism and "Christian Zionist" better the Whitney Webb. Her major in college was religious studies and she was writing articles and digging her teeth into Christian Zionism and the Scofield bible when BOOM, Jeffery Epstein, Peter Thiel, and bitcoin came into play and she said she just switched and that was that. But for us and the worlds purposes she already did the work in a series called: "The untold story of Christian Zionism’s rise to power in the United States" Tucker should have her on the show
It's Whitney so it's long. I'm only posting it in case someone is interested, or is looking for facts and links.
The untold story of Christian Zionism’s rise to power in the United States – NaturalNews.com
The largest pro-Israel organization in the United States is not composed of Jews, but of Christian evangelicals, with a total membership of 7 million, more than 2 million more members than the entirety of the American Jewish community. (Article by Whitney Webb republished from MintPressNews.com)...
Javi
Jedi
As much as I think about it, I see a great complexity of things behind the scenes, and that may be conditioning the final decision for a US attack, and particularly the when and how.
I can't help but see a number of signs that make me think that a concrete scenario is being forged that no longer involves destroying and replacing the central Iranian core.
Although the statements that have been coming out from Erdogan (Turkey) on the one hand and the Pakistanis on the other seem to be clearly supportive of Iran, it should never be forgotten that Erdogan has a long history of treachery and wishful thinking in his own interests, and we know that both countries (Turkey and particularly Pakistan) have long had the Trojan horse of Western secret services inside them. In the case of Pakistan, within the army itself and by fabricating various coups that have affected the country in the past. There are two key areas for these countries to consider in the equation here. On the one hand, the part of Kurdistan that is pushed into Iran (a clear object of action for Turkey) and on the other, perhaps much more important, Balochistan. Remember the military spat between Pakistan and Iran last year, and Pakistan's bombing of a point in Iranian Balochistan?
There may be a new game of smoke and mirrors and deception underway here. These leaders are now proclaiming what their Islamic umma masses want to hear, but deep down they are ready to enter Iran with their armies under the excuse of loss of control and incipient terrorism in these border territories. They could even enter under the initial pretext of coming to Iran's aid, when they will end up converging towards an occupation based on faits accomplis and the avoidance (they will say) of instability and chaos.
Why might the case of Baluchistan be particularly relevant to the focus of the Western deep state?
Let's imagine a scenario (it may or may not be on the table, we don't know, but I think we should consider it):
US military action focuses on taking full control of the Strait of Hormuz, rather than confronting Iran head-on by attacking its interior. Amid the chaos, Pakistan sends its army into Iranian Baluchistan, taking control of all that would remain of Iran's access to the Indian Ocean, while Turkey (and perhaps Azerbaijan) enters from the northeast, forming two surprising (or apparently supportive) opposing fronts for Iran.
Objectives:
Total control of the flow of oil from the Gulf. Relaunch of the petrodollar system.
Closure and economic restriction of Iran by not allowing it to export its crude oil.
Closure of the possibility of Iran sending missiles to Yemen through any Indic Ocean port. Resolution of the problem on the Red Sea-Suez route.
Need for China to accept a secondary consolation for its loss of the continental version of the Silk Road: opening up the flow of oil from Saudi Arabia (another factor that may be included in any negotiations on the plan) and, thanks to its good relationship/interaction with Pakistan, allowing it a series of ports of call along Pakistan and the whole of Baluchistan (alternative Indic Ocean route).
Iran would be economically suffocated in a few months, and militarily on different fronts and in chaos.
Weaknesses:
1.-They would need China to agree to enter into this scenario and not go too far in helping Iran beyond the aesthetic. Perhaps they forget that China does not act in short-term scenarios. Will China be willing to increase its dependence on the petrodollar again?
2.-Something similar with Russia.
3.-They would need to take control of a fairly large area of southern Iran to avoid the “Houthi” effect on the security of the Strait of Hormuz. Otherwise, Hormuz will become a highly dangerous route.
4.-There is the possibility that Iran, beyond the rhetoric about its military capabilities, actually has greater capabilities than it has shown so far, or even has significant help in this, without needing to be too explicit, from other powers. If it does and acts more quickly than its counterpart, the US could face a scenario similar to the “disaster of the invincible fleet” (which marked the beginning of Spain's decline at the turn of the 16th and 17th centuries). The scenario would become totally negative for the US.
In any case, and putting ourselves in the mind of Western power, this scenario would explain the delay in action, as it would require many ongoing negotiations and the need to unite many only partially overlapping agendas. A very complicated scenario, but I think it could be what is happening. Here, Trump's role is perfect for the deep state and its games of deception, in its constant sowing of uncertainty, ambiguity, and apparent lack of concrete direction.
I can't help but see a number of signs that make me think that a concrete scenario is being forged that no longer involves destroying and replacing the central Iranian core.
Although the statements that have been coming out from Erdogan (Turkey) on the one hand and the Pakistanis on the other seem to be clearly supportive of Iran, it should never be forgotten that Erdogan has a long history of treachery and wishful thinking in his own interests, and we know that both countries (Turkey and particularly Pakistan) have long had the Trojan horse of Western secret services inside them. In the case of Pakistan, within the army itself and by fabricating various coups that have affected the country in the past. There are two key areas for these countries to consider in the equation here. On the one hand, the part of Kurdistan that is pushed into Iran (a clear object of action for Turkey) and on the other, perhaps much more important, Balochistan. Remember the military spat between Pakistan and Iran last year, and Pakistan's bombing of a point in Iranian Balochistan?
There may be a new game of smoke and mirrors and deception underway here. These leaders are now proclaiming what their Islamic umma masses want to hear, but deep down they are ready to enter Iran with their armies under the excuse of loss of control and incipient terrorism in these border territories. They could even enter under the initial pretext of coming to Iran's aid, when they will end up converging towards an occupation based on faits accomplis and the avoidance (they will say) of instability and chaos.
Why might the case of Baluchistan be particularly relevant to the focus of the Western deep state?
Let's imagine a scenario (it may or may not be on the table, we don't know, but I think we should consider it):
US military action focuses on taking full control of the Strait of Hormuz, rather than confronting Iran head-on by attacking its interior. Amid the chaos, Pakistan sends its army into Iranian Baluchistan, taking control of all that would remain of Iran's access to the Indian Ocean, while Turkey (and perhaps Azerbaijan) enters from the northeast, forming two surprising (or apparently supportive) opposing fronts for Iran.
Objectives:
Total control of the flow of oil from the Gulf. Relaunch of the petrodollar system.
Closure and economic restriction of Iran by not allowing it to export its crude oil.
Closure of the possibility of Iran sending missiles to Yemen through any Indic Ocean port. Resolution of the problem on the Red Sea-Suez route.
Need for China to accept a secondary consolation for its loss of the continental version of the Silk Road: opening up the flow of oil from Saudi Arabia (another factor that may be included in any negotiations on the plan) and, thanks to its good relationship/interaction with Pakistan, allowing it a series of ports of call along Pakistan and the whole of Baluchistan (alternative Indic Ocean route).
Iran would be economically suffocated in a few months, and militarily on different fronts and in chaos.
Weaknesses:
1.-They would need China to agree to enter into this scenario and not go too far in helping Iran beyond the aesthetic. Perhaps they forget that China does not act in short-term scenarios. Will China be willing to increase its dependence on the petrodollar again?
2.-Something similar with Russia.
3.-They would need to take control of a fairly large area of southern Iran to avoid the “Houthi” effect on the security of the Strait of Hormuz. Otherwise, Hormuz will become a highly dangerous route.
4.-There is the possibility that Iran, beyond the rhetoric about its military capabilities, actually has greater capabilities than it has shown so far, or even has significant help in this, without needing to be too explicit, from other powers. If it does and acts more quickly than its counterpart, the US could face a scenario similar to the “disaster of the invincible fleet” (which marked the beginning of Spain's decline at the turn of the 16th and 17th centuries). The scenario would become totally negative for the US.
In any case, and putting ourselves in the mind of Western power, this scenario would explain the delay in action, as it would require many ongoing negotiations and the need to unite many only partially overlapping agendas. A very complicated scenario, but I think it could be what is happening. Here, Trump's role is perfect for the deep state and its games of deception, in its constant sowing of uncertainty, ambiguity, and apparent lack of concrete direction.
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Corvus
Dagobah Resident
I think Israel is a tool by 4D STS and will be used to their end, it s useful status is coming to an end and that usefulness is for the destruction of Iran because of its semitic genes, if Isreal gets destroyed is not important to 4D STS, now are Mossad aware of that or not is not relevant, maybe it is not relevant to them either if Israel survives because they are all bought, or maybe high in their wisfull thinking that is common in higher 3D STS levels like in 4D, not seeing they will also get destroyed in process. Think jihadi tactic is not so much effective against Iran like it was against Syria because it is too much of a bite, do that is why Israel is used with their nuclear bombs.
China speaks out on Iran-Israel war - Israel, in particular, should cease fire immediately. Civilians must be protected. Communication, dialogue are the right path to peace. Must be a political solution to Iranian nuclear weapons. China stands ready to play a constructive role in the Middle East toward peace. 5 min.
Interesting, This takes on greater relevance.
Although, I highly doubt about that.
The US is amassing troops at Saudi Arabia's Prince Sultan Air Base while preparing to attack Iran to prevent the closure of Strait of Hormuz, but Houthis say will attack US ships in the Red Sea if Washington attacks Iran.
They are in the move, latest from TasnimNews Telegram Channel
The helplessness of the terrorist group Jaish-ul-Zalam due to the patriotism of the Baloch people
Thought this was a good summary of possibilities. Not every possibility for sure.
Most a) - nothing ever happens, except when it does, then it's more mostly nothing.
I think cynicism and apathy has taken over a lot of the population. Even if there is a drastic change, it's still "nothing".
Yeah, never rule out the complete destructiveness of cornered psychopaths. Based on the video above they suggest Iran is making sure not to corner Israel entirely. Although on reflection I'm not sure that's the case, given the amount of damage that seems to have been inflicted.
My take on it over the last few days is as follows:
1) The US has already attacked Iran and/or is in the process of attacking Iran.
2) We are not being told/sold about it - yet.
I base 2) on the media blackout from Israel, the recent events involving Hezbollah and the Houthis, the assassination of Soleimani and the current build up/launching of forces (such as the B2 bombers moving in right now).
If Trump had accurate feedback on the Houthis bombing, then he will likely want to save face. So I suspect a big non-nuke nuke (for show/shock and awe) plus some bunker busters, and then if it goes "ok" we'll hear about it on the news and Trump will say it's done (or it'll fade out of the news like the Houthis situation).
Now that's not going to satisfy the neocons or Israel, and it's unlikely to stop Iran from continued strikes on Israel. Unless there is a backroom deal like Soleimani?
The overall impression I get is that Iran is in no mood for deals, but who knows.
What happens to Israel? The fact that it's stopped people fleeing is telling.
A false flag in the EU/UK is possible, but it would have to be something devastatingly horrific like the Bataclan massacre. I don't see it as likely either.
I think overall the US/EU/UK/Israel etc are overstretched and have been overstretched for some time. The attack on Russia with the drones, and the attack on Iran where surprising and shocking and that was it. No big impact. Just like the bombing of the Houthis.
The only exceptions recently was the pager attack and Syria. But Syria was weak, and the pager attack doesn't get to be used again.
The point is - do they risk a false flag knowing it may not have the desired impact? Can they even create the desired impact any more?
They are all still dangerous, but their impact seems to be getting weaker.
Russia is close to winning in Ukraine, they (the US/Israel) can't afford to telegraph weakness or failure or desperation. Joe pointed out some time ago that the US etc relies on the illusion of projected power around the world.
So whatever happens, or doesn't, has to be a 'victory'. Or we'll never hear about it, even if it happened.
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