Israel-Palestine War: Hamas Breaks Out of Gaza, Israel Responds With Genocide

How about bringing something back into the debate that should have been mentioned or at least seriously considered from the get-go mainly out of moral grounds?:

A one state solution in which the Palestinians are (at the very least) the primary citizens of ALL that is left of Palestine AND ALL that is now “Israel“?

I know that isn’t realistic and presents many possible problems/difficulties and all that but shouldn’t that be at least where any real sane and just discussion should start, ESPECIALLY NOW?

In my book Israel never had any real reason on any grounds to do what they did with Palestine from the get-go, and now more than ever, Israel has proven totally undeserving of any idea of even just a two state solution.

In a sane world, discussions should at least start to go into that direction now IMO. But we are not living in a sane world unfortunately.
 
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I know that isn’t realistic and presents many possible problems/difficulties and all that but shouldn’t that be at least where any real sane and just discussion should start, ESPECIALLY NOW?
Actually the discussion should start from the fact that possibly 42 percent of Israeli population are psychopaths (as C's have mentioned). But I understand this is not possible or realistic in the current paradigm either. Discussions about one-state-two-state solutions have mostly turned into empty talking points by politicians whose countries are supporting Israel while they are paying lip service in order to distance themselves politically from the future backlash (but the one you suggest should be moral starting point, yes). Thus the only viable solution is that large segment of world's population (especially in Western counties) sees that there's something fundamentally wrong and twisted with the nation of Israel, because the way it was created invited this psychopathic mass, and that Western governments are protecting them because they see themselves as kindred (and/or because they're being blackmailed). This is more or less what Israel will end up humanity to eventually understand (at least partially) by it's own actions, I think.
 
And I think all Israeli's have somewhere to go, if not actually having dual citizenship.

It's a relief to contemplate the sovereign state of Palestine. Only 9.974 million Israelis as of 2024 from quick search1.77 million of which are Muslims.

Palestinians, 5.289 million. At least as of 2024. I have a feeling there are - or were - more Palestinians than that maybe.

The tables should be turned. It's not wishful thinking, so it seems to me, but mentally rolling back an historical error or political crime. Which I guess is wishful thinking, too. And that's useful to consider, the place for imaginative reconstruction without aiming at an outcome?
 
One thing is "to encourage every one to do this" but it is quite another to imply that " they can't arrest, suspend and harass
EVERYONE ". They can try and demand your servility which aligns with non being. My experience has taught me that
The ruling elite will never provide a viable defense for its civilian cattle. They will go all the way if they have to
EVERYONE could very well be included .
They are now fighting for their own survival and therefore they are busy gathering your data.
They have their plans and
Desperate people always demand desperate measures.
Of course that does not mean that one does not stand for what is right , what ever it takes.
 
In my book Israel never had any real reason on any grounds to do what they did with Palestine from the get-go, and now more than ever, Israel has proven totally undeserving of any idea of even just a two state solution.

In a sane world, discussions should at least start to go into that direction now IMO. But we are not living in a sane world unfortunately.
I think October 7th was a False Flag. All that needs to be done is to expose how it was done along with all the other interferances Israel does in and to the United States. Seems to be lots of 'pushback' when it comes to exposing what psychopaths lie about and manipulate. :-(
 
I think October 7th was a False Flag. All that needs to be done is to expose how it was done along with all the other interferances Israel does in and to the United States. Seems to be lots of 'pushback' when it comes to exposing what psychopaths lie about and manipulate. :-(

The thing is that it was already pretty much exposed as a false flag event during and after the event happened by quite a number of people. Including reaching more people with that fact afterwards. Yet, that doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference either.
 

Hundreds of thousands of protesters gather in Tel Aviv to demand end to Gaza war​

One of largest rallies in Israel since start of conflict follows general strike to press government to stop military action

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Hundreds of thousands of demonstrators have gathered in Tel Aviv to call for an end to the war in Gaza and the release of hostages, one of the largest demonstrations in Israel since the start of the fighting in October 2023.

The rally on Sunday evening was the culmination of a day of nationwide protests and a general strike to pressure the government to halt the military campaign. “Bring them all home! Stop the war!” shouted the vast crowd, which had converged on the so-called Hostage Square in Tel Aviv plaza – a focal point for protesters throughout the war.

The Hostage and Missing Families Forum, the initiator of the day of protest, estimated that about 500,000 people joined the demonstration in Tel Aviv – a figure not confirmed by the police. “We demand a comprehensive and achievable agreement and an end to the war,” said Einav Zangauker, mother of hostage Matan and a leading figure of the protest movement.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-gather-in-tel-aviv-to-demand-end-to-gaza-war

Hundreds of thousands demonstrate in Tel Aviv at end of nationwide day of hostage protests​

Hostages forum says 500,000 attended rally, over 1 million protested across the country Sunday; at rally, ex-captives urge Trump to push Israel to ‘end the suffering, make peace’

Hundreds of thousands of people crowded in central Tel Aviv on Sunday night, capping a nationwide day of protests and strikes calling on the government to end the war in Gaza and secure the release of the hostages held there by Palestinian terrorists.

The rally in Tel Aviv appeared to be one of the biggest since the war began nearly two years ago, and according to the Hostages and Missing Families Forum was attended by over half a million people, though there were no official police estimates for the crowd’s size.

The forum also estimated that some 1 million people had taken part in protests across the country throughout the day, as protest groups and organizations joined forces to stage a major day of civil disobedience after the cabinet voted earlier this month to conquer Gaza City despite warnings by top security officials that this would endanger the hostages.
 
The thing is that it was already pretty much exposed as a false flag event during and after the event happened by quite a number of people. Including reaching more people with that fact afterwards. Yet, that doesn’t seem to have made much of a difference either.
That tends to suggest that the majority of people don't pay much attention to facts and just run emotional programs. And, their programs disagree with the facts, so they dismiss them. :-(
 
I was thinking that besides the obvious reason why Israel is now wanting to take control of Gaza City with something like 60.000 reserves might very well be to cover up their crimes by getting rid of the evidence (mainly human bodies) in some way?

Listen to what the Green Beret Lt. Col. Tony Aguilar has reported on his two recent interviews on Tucker after seeing what is going on, on the ground in Gaza:



He said that it is likely that the world community will be shocked to learn what is the reality in Gaza City as soon as outsiders could go in and see it and that they then can not hide the obvious anymore. He talks of the smell of death coming from the city, and it very much sounds like he thinks there are shocking amounts of dead people there.
 
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