How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

Does this mean that you believe that there was a beginning of existence or being, as in "entire" existence/being?
I try not to form beliefs, as those limit objective perception. It seems better to acknowledge that I do not know and then maybe look at which theories seem most probable.

The C's have said that writing down the number of previous big bang iterations would take years, which does imply a finite number. Yet, in a more recent session they also said that the number of previous Grand Cycles has been indeed infinite:

Session 22nd October 2022:

(Aragorn) I believe you have said that the system of 7 densities, in other words all that is, has existed forever. That would mean that we have done an infinite number of Grand Cycles in the past and will do so also in the future. Is this correct?

A: Yes

Maybe the Big Bang iterations (finite number) are not the same as the Grand Cycles (infinite number)? It could mean that the big bang iterations started at some point, yet other types of Grand Cycles may have preceded those.
 
Session 16 November 1994 said:
Q: (L) So at the closing of this grand cycle everything will just start all over again?

A: Not exactly; you see, there is no start.

Session 17 June 1995 said:
(T) But it goes outward forever... cause there is no end to going out...

A: There isn't?

Q: (SV) Nope.

A: Well, then maybe there's no beginning.

Q: (T) Well, there wouldn't be a beginning, just a big, open void. An infinite void...

A: If there's no end and no beginning, then what do you have?

Q: (L) No point. (J) The here and now.

A: The here and now which is also the future and the past. Everything that was, is and will be, all at once. This is why only a very few of your third density persons have been able to understand space travel, because even though traveling into space in your third density is every bit as third density as lying on your bed at night in your comfortable home, the time reference is taken away. Something that you hold very close to your bosom as if it were your mother. And, it is the biggest illusion that you have. We have repeatedly told you over and over that there is no time, and yet, of course, you have been so brainwashed into this concept that you cannot get rid of it no matter what you do, now can you?

Session 19 December 1998 said:
Q: (L) Well, when you have a pulse, you have a wave, and if you have a wave, that implies time.

A: Therein lies the crux of your 3rd density illusion. Why assume that any given aspect of the pulse is not occurring simultaneously with any other. And if any are, all are. Until you once and for all break free from the illusion of time, you will not advance.
 
I try not to form beliefs, as those limit objective perception.
I don't think such negative generalization about beliefs is a good example of objectivity.

Session 28 October 1994 said:
Q: (L) According to shamanistic teachings, one can have animal spirits or guides. Is this correct?

A: Partly. You have them if you believe you have them.

Q: (L) If believing in them makes it so, is this belief beneficial?

A: All belief is beneficial at some level.

Sincere belief provides a willingness to try, to test. So, it helps learning. Maybe you should distinguish beliefs from prejudices.


Emotions can also be claimed to be limiting objective perception but that, again, would be a prejudiced generalization, apparently:

Session 9 September 1995 said:
A: Emotion that limits is an impediment to progress. Emotion is also necessary to make progress in 3rd density. It is natural. When you begin to separate limiting emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open one to unlimited possibilities, that means you are preparing for the next density.
 
Sincere belief provides a willingness to try, to test. So, it helps learning.
It depends on how you define 'belief'.

To me beliefs are basically unquestioned assumptions that we convinced ourselves are true - which limits or interferes with gaining knowledge through objective perception. Most beliefs come from social conditioning and they seem to be basically mental programs.

What you are talking about I would call faith or trust. Or I guess you can call it 'sincere belief' and the programs 'prejudices'.
 
Although I am not very sure, I think STO beings can exist in a short wave cycle, but STS beings cannot exist in a long wave cycle. So, short wave cycling is inevitable for all STS beings.
Well may be, as been mentioned by multiple sources, if one polarises to STO that they instantaneously poof off from our reality… where do they go? Why can’t they stay here and keep being STO? (That kinda debunks the Jesus as all loving theory too)
 
We already know it was not "5D spirit sparks" but it was Transient Passengers - 6D.
I.e. check this session:
super ancient ancestors, who created them, and who were they before they were super ancient, when they were just brand new?
It sounds like I’m implying that at the time of the Big Bang that there was only a contemplation zone full of baby spirit sparks… and all if the other densities were not thought up yet or were uninhabited…

Geeze I love this thread, it’s such a weight off to throw ideas around and know that we are probably never gonna figure it out :lol:
 
Yeah, this seems to be why the flora and fauna on Earth would ordinarily experience long wave cycling if it was not for humans, who transitioned from the long to the short wave. Since the C's say the long wave is "completely etheric", this seems to contradict the idea that the flora and fauna on the physical plane of the planet would normally be experiencing the (etheric) long wave cycle. I also imagined "etheric (non-physical) fauna and flora" but the expressions like "on the physical plane" and also the fact that they (1D and 2D) would be interacting with (physical) humanity make me think that the C's mean physical 1D and 2D beings. A possibility is that it's impossible for 1D and 2D to be completely etheric even in the long wave but that this doesn't prevent them from having a "completely etheric" experience even if they occupy physical bodies. What does it mean for 1D and 2D beings in physical bodies to have a completely etheric existence? I think this means there is no "veil" for them. As you also mentioned, they would have a conscious and continuous connection with their 5D essence. But this brings the question: Does the concept "veil" apply to 1D and 2D beings who we forced to experience a short, rather than long, wave cycling along with us? Are they now "veiled" or still non-veiled? Or this is matter of mixture? A spectrum of different levels of veiled-ness depending on exposure to human-based intense STS experiences?
I asked AI to answer some of this according to Ra.

-The statement "veil is only worn in third density" is a concept from the Ra Material (The Law of One), and it is an accurate representation of this teaching: entities in the third density "wear the veil" of separation and unawareness between densities, which begins to be pierced as they evolve toward higher densities. This "veil" is a fundamental aspect of the third-density experience, making the choice to embrace the Law of One and the path of love essential for its dissolution.

The Veil in The Ra Material
  • Separation:
    In the third density, the veil creates a sense of separation from other densities and the higher aspects of consciousness.

  • Evolution:
    As entities in the third density evolve spiritually, they can begin to dismantle this veil and experience higher-density perceptions, even while still in their third-density physical form.

  • Conscious Choice:
    The process of piercing the veil is initiated through a conscious choice to accept the responsibility and honor of the Law of One, which involves a deeper understanding and use of "light" and love.
How the Veil Works

  • The veil acts as a barrier to understanding the true nature of the self and the interconnectedness of all things.
  • As an entity's higher-energy centers (chakras) become activated and "crystallized" through their compassionate activity, they are better equipped to begin dismantling the veil.
  • This dismantling allows for the seeing of "one," as the separation that the veil creates begins to dissolve.

Me again, it mentions a conscious choice has to be made to piece the veil, 1&2D can’t consciously choose so that leaves me thinking that unless there is a 3D consciousness present that they can only exist in a long wave cycle.
 
I'll try to write about an example of a way something can have been created "after" something else, and ALSO have "always" existed:

Computer programming is a hobby of mine, and I sometimes make small computer games, mostly arcade games (think 'Space Invaders' except not as simple - little characters ("sprites", in game parlance) moving around doing stuff). Usually one of the sprites is controlled by the player, and all the others are controlled by the computer, moving in patterns or according to algorithms or programmed behaviours.

Generally the way a program like this works is: when the program is loaded, first of all it substantiates ("spawns", in game parlance) all the sprites - reserving a bit of the computer's RAM for the information needed to maintain each sprite. I guess this is sort of like "the big bang" from the point of view of the sprites.... Then after that it continually runs a loop, over and over again, checking each sprite to see its status, performing whatever logic operations are needed to control that sprite for the current iteration of the loop, etc, and then drawing the sprite onto the computer screen. And maybe destroying a sprite, or spawning new sprites, if required by the game logic.

Generally that loop is cycled through 60 times per second, as 60 hz is (or was) a (pretty much arbitrary) standard in computers and tv screens etc.. 60 hz is fast enough to trick the human eye into seeing smooth, seamless motion when a sprite moves across the screen, although the sprite is actually being moved in very small steps.

So the loop is cycling relatively quickly, and each sprite is moving in some tiny increment with each cycle, and being drawn onto the screen at its new position. In between cycles, the visual image of the sprite on the screen doesn't actually exist, except in potential.. all that exists is the information in RAM to say where that sprite will next be displayed..

So anyway.. From the point of view of the sprites, "time" started when the program was loaded (and also, all of creation is being continually created and destroyed with every iteration of the loop). And from the sprites' POV, me the programmer, or whoever is playing the game, would be "outside of time". I can stop and restart the program at any time, or rewind time, or speed up time, or change code which changes "the past" and therefore the future, inside the game world.. Or pause the game and edit some of the information in RAM to alter how any given sprite will behave.

[An aside: My games are not exactly deterministic, I usually use pseudo-random numbers or unpredictable inputs, and many interacting sprite logics, which lead to emergent behaviours.. So actually I cannot look and see exactly what will happen in the future of the game world, I have to let it run its course to see the end result...]

At the level of the game's source code, all the sprites came into existence at the same time (or have always existed) - the information needed to create them is all there in the source code on my hard drive. Every possibility of the game world exists in potential, right from the start.

But at the level of the sprites themselves, they came into being at different times, and have different lifespans, etc..they're born and live out their lives, have "children", die, etc...

.. This doesn't really answer any questions, and not at all TC's original one. But I find it interesting to think about and thought someone else might too...

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I've never been able to get a handle on the long wave/short wave thing.. Calling them long and short wave cycles makes it sound like they are different frequencies of the same wave, like it's a spectrum. But since the C's say it's one or the other, and those are the only two possibilities, that makes it sound like no, they're sort of separate things, so to say.. Which is what made me wonder if a short wave cycle is like a phasing or interference pattern, i.e. a distortion, IN the wave which makes up the long wave cycle. Which would mean you can have a long wave cycle without a short, but not a short without a long..
 
In some of the afterlife literature it is mentioned that not only is there often a level of physicality, but life feels more real compared to that on Earth. This idea is even expressed by Pierre in the 2024 October session after his death.


Bringing up this point has suddenly made me a bit unclear on what specifically differentiates ethereal reality from physical reality. Noting that 4D features variable physicality.

So, I will try and list some of the features as I understand them focusing here on physical 3D:

Increased sensate from increased physicality. Note sex is a physical craving and possibly a significant factor in decisions making behind the fall. This is in contrast with physical incarnations seeming less real, is this due to the influence of the unseen world, perhaps it is not so unseen when ethereal.
Being physically incarnated is taxing on the body and soul requiring rest and recharge via sleeping.
In physical 3D you must consume to survive, at least for non STO beings. 4D STS requires physical nourishment to subsist in our realm.
Physical existence appears more finite, includes death. 3D reality features the illusion of linear time (I am not clear whether this is limited to a particular cycle).
4D STS crave the desire to possess 3D bodies without sacrificing their own and may be an aim of their hybrid program. Is this just about power/control and being able to easily interact with 3D beings or is there something else desirable about 3D physicality. The thought of ‘furries’ and humans pretending to be animals came to mind.
3D physicality is the domain of 4D STS bringing additional challenge but also offering opportunities for accelerated growth (short wave cycle.) Probably comparable to the impact of 3D interactions with 2D beings.
Great points.
Gets me thinking more what ethereal/long wave might mean.
-no incarnations, karma or dharma.
-no need to consume as life force/chakras/energy centres function differently. Rest/sleep as required. (I hope so, I love naps)
-unfettered connection with 5D higher self.
-body can be as solid as a rock or have no form other than energy signature
-thoughts and emotions directly and instantaneously create reality
- learns through observation of others or self experiences in shortwave cycle illusions


Remember in the Matrix movie where that dude wanted to stay plugged into the system so he could eat a steak, I think Third density STS is all about hedonism, actually that’s pretty obvious and super appealing. I can see why the Lizzie’s want to hybridise human genetic so their soul’s have a perfected physical vehicle to jump into. I don’t even blame them for wanting that. They can’t reincarnate any other way, so it’s not only about survival of their species but using the best tools available for maximum pleasure, us humans!
 
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