How do humans change the cycle for 1D and 2D?

, total lack of concern for the self doesn’t mean 49% concern for the self.
I understand why you think like that but, personally, I prefer to disagree. Although this doesn't mean that I'm certainly right, I'll try to explain why I think like this. In the end, it can very well be revealed that my view was wrong. And that's no problem. In fact, I'll be knowing better thanks to this discussion with you :))

As for defending my current view: I believe a 4D being's having 51% (or higher) STO polarization doesn't necessarily mean that he/she will have to be concerned with himself/herself for the remaining percentage of 49% (or less). Since all the STO society will be feeding each other in all the ways needed, the service to each other's "self" will be taking care of that 49% collectively. I mean, no one will need to be concerned with one's self, because all the needs of each self will be being met by all others collectively and very satisfactorily.

Other than this, I want to remind the reasons I suggested before:

You seem to claim that graduation to 4D STO is achieved by 100% (or absolute) STO polarization. What's, then, the difference between the service level of a beginner 4D STO being and a senior one who's maybe close to graduation to 5D? Or, between that beginner and a Higher Self in 6D? Can their scope or level of service be the same?

STO is "positivity", and STS "negativity". Positivity is towards "being", negativity "non-being".

100% STO is synonymous with 100% being, which is what happens in big-bang at the summit of 7D, because you be one with ALL. That's what 100% means.

Level of STO is increased in parallel to awareness through densities. 100% STO polarization would mean 100% awareness/knowledge/being.
 
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I thought axj said 100% STO is needed for graduation to 4D STO? You seem to imply there are two types of graduations and two different percentages are necessary for these graduations (a) 51% STO for graduation due to wave , and (2) 100% STO for instantaneous graduation. This doesn't sound right to me.
It seems correct to me after intertwining Ra with the C's.
 
I’ve also wondered whether the idea of planets or the centres of them being windows has anything to do with it. Like, for a planet where 1st and 2nd density beings experience a long wave cycle, a certain level and quality of being and reality is coming through the window. But with the presence of the human-soulgroup, then a different level and quality of being and reality is coming through the window. Again, the torch/silhouette analogy above could be used in that case.
What exactly did you have in mind here?

What this reminded me of is this part:
(L) Is the planet earth, as so many have predicted, going to acquire an additional sun?

A: Maybe.

Q: (T) An additional sun, like if Jupiter blows up? Is Jupiter an unborn sun?

A: Jupiter is already a star.

Q: (L) Why do we not perceive it as a star?

A: You are still learning. Earth is a star to be.

Q: (F) How the hell can that be? (L) If a planet...

A: Every thing cycles fully.

Q: (L) If a star is a transition point from one dimension to another, when the earth moves into 4th density, is it going to appear as a star to the people in 3rd density?

A: "Gas planet."

Q: (L) It will appear as a gas planet? (J) Just as Jupiter appears to us.

A: Jupiter is level 4 density.

Q: (L) To whom does Jupiter appear as a flaming sun, at what level?

A: 5, 6, and 7.

Q: (T) What does it look like in 4th?

A: Earth.

Q: (T) Jupiter looks like Earth and Earth looks like Jupiter in 4th density?

A: No.

Q: (L) What does Earth look like in 4th density?

A: Invisible.

Q: (J) Huh? (L) What do you mean, invisible?

A: Only visible upon request. Variability of physicality.

Q: (L) Okay, does this mean that to the Lizzies and Orions the earth is invisible?

A: When they are not thinking about it.

Q: (J) You mean when they are not thinking about it it doesn't exist? They have to focus on it for it to become visible?

A: Close.

Q: (T) But, you told us one time that everyone in 4th density was able to see us?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) Us, not earth. (T) What do they see us on?

A: Able to see you when they choose to.

Q: (J) In other words, they focus on the frequency to see us. (L) I guess it is like animals in second density. You ride down the road and don't really see what is around you unless you focus in on it. (J) Unless you concentrate on looking for them... (T) Like standing still in a forest and after a time you can see what is there. (J) It is all according to perception.

A: Yes, but 4th level is the first one with true variability.

Q: (L) Georges Gurdjieff proposed the idea that the earth is, in a sense, food for the moon. What he meant was, what he had learned from these ancient teachers was that earth was a food source for some level of being, and that possibly these beings had encampments or bases on the moon, but that earth was eventually to become a star and that then the moon would become an inhabited planet as the earth was, and so on... Is this a fairly...

A: Close.

Q: (L) Is the Moon a second density planet?

A: Yes.

Q: (L) And the Moon is used as a base by other beings?

A: On different densities.

Q: (L) Are there 2nd density beings that inhabit the moon in a full time way?

A: No.

Q: (T) Are there 3rd density beings?

A: No.

Q: (T) Are there 4th density beings?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) Are they Grays?

A: They don't inhabit the moon, they just use it.

Q: (T) Are there 5th density beings there?

A: 5th uses all.

Q: (T) Are there 6th density beings there?

A: Ditto.

Q: (T) Is the 7th density being there?

A: That is union with the One.

Q: (T) Thank you, just checking. (L) The "Arcturians" talk about the path to the Great Central Sun. What is the Great Central Sun, and what does this mean, "The path to the Great Central Sun?"

A: 7th level.

Q: (L) Is the star, Arcturus, also a residence, as in planet, for certain beings?

A: Stars are transition and communication points.

Also in the terms of NDEs and what happens in the moment of death, when one enters the silver thread the Earth starts vanishing, it is basically what the quoted part above says about Earth being visible in 4D when you choose to, which all basically fits your the torch/silhouette analogy you talked about.

Then, researching more we have this:
Q: (T) We're developing a conduit to move us from 3rd density to 4th density. Once we have moved through the conduit does that mean we have completed what we came here to do, and that is anchor the frequency?

A: Partly.

Q: (T) Is the conduit kind of like an escape hatch for us?

A: Close.

Q: (L) Let me get this straight. When we move through this conduit, are the other...

A: You will be on the 4th level earth as opposed to 3rd level earth.

Q: (L) What I am trying to get here, once again, old practical Laura, is trying to get a handle on practical terms here. Does this mean that a 4th density earth and a 3rd density earth will coexist side by side...

A: Not side by side, totally different realms.

Q: (L) Do these realms interpenetrate one another but in different dimensions...

A: Close.

Q: (L) So, in other words, a being from say, 6th density, could look at this planet we call the earth and see it spinning through space and see several dimensions of earth, and yet the point of space/time occupation is the same, in other words, simultaneous. (J) They can look down but we can't look up.

A: Yes.

Q: (L) So, in other words, while all of this cataclysmic activity is happening on the 3rd dimensional earth, we will be just on our 4th dimensional earth and this sort of thing won't be there, and we won't see the 3rd dimensional people and they won't see us because we will be in different densities which are not "en rapport", so to speak?

A: You understand concept, now you must decide if it is factual.

Q: (T) ...we are looking at the fact that what's coming this time is a wave that's going to allow the human race to move to 4th density?

A: And the planet and your entire sector of space/time.

I would then assume, that "current" 4D Earth would then move to 5D Earth at the time of realm crossing.

So, windows in this case might simply represent an "exit" for a being to manifest at certain level of density. Is that what you had in mind?
This windows concept is huge; i.e. on Cass substack it is defined as:
A traversable convergence point between dimensions and/or densities; an opening to different states via electromagnetic grid points. Opening and closing are dependent on the frequency of energy patterns of the area, which can be altered through electromagnetic pulses.
So it kind of fits the theory....?


Now concerning NDEs and descriptions of afterlife; there are numerous account that parts of 5D look exactly like they would on Earth, so I assume there are trees and grass and birds etc.
Did you have that in mind when you said that "1st and 2nd density entities would be on a long wave cycle"? Kind of like "You would not exist if someone didn't "dream you up.""?
 
@Mari When it comes to windows, something axj said at the beginning of the thread was along the same lines as I was thinking:

As to the original question, there must be some mechanism by which a planetary logos with all its 1D through 3D beings changes from an etheral long-wave cycle to a short-wave cycle in physicality. I think this topic has not been discussed with the C's or with Ra (Law of One).

I had a flash of imagination like maybe the Earth environment is the 3 dimensional equivalent of a 2 dimensional projector screen, and the purported window at the centre of it was like the lens that the light (reality construct) comes through. The long wave cycle that didn’t include humans would be one ‘slide’ in the projector, creating everything in the environment, including 1D and 2D beings. When the soul group arrived into physical bodies, their higher level of awareness needed a change in the kind of reality, and so a ‘different slide’ went into the projector that sends the reality through the window.

The slides in this example would, I suppose, be different dreams of some higher being (“You wouldn’t exist if someone didn’t dream you up”).

The new slide/dream was in short wave cycle form, rather than the previous long wave cycle form, (maybe like as symbolically depicted in The Wizard of Oz, the slide changed from monochrome to colour) and so, the whole action of us coming into the planet instantaneously changed the environment for 1D and 2D beings from what they were experiencing up to that point.

But I haven’t read everything the C’s have said about windows yet. Plus, you’ve given me food for thought regarding planets changing density.

Like, what if the Earth was a second density planet before we came, and a second density planet is on a long wave cycle? Complete top-of-my-head speculation, but something else for me to search the sessions for to see if there’s any clues about it.
 
Like, what if the Earth was a second density planet before we came, and a second density planet is on a long wave cycle? Complete top-of-my-head speculation, but something else for me to search the sessions for to see if there’s any clues about it.
Haven´t found (yet) anything the Cs said regarding 2D Earth, but Ra did:
14.2 Questioner: When this Earth was second-density, how did the second-density beings on this Earth become so invested?

Ra: There was not this type of investment as spoken but the simple third-density investment which is the line of spiraling light calling distortion upward from density to density. The process takes longer when there is no investment made by incarnate third-density beings.

14.3 Questioner: Then what was the second-density form— what did it look like— that became Earth-man in the third density? What did he look like in the second density?

Ra: I am Ra. The difference between second- and third-density bodily forms would in many cases have been more like one to the other. In the case of your planetary sphere the process was interrupted by those who incarnated here from the planetary sphere you call Mars. They were adjusted by genetic changing and, therefore, there was some difference which was of a very noticeable variety rather than the gradual raising of the bipedal forms upon your second-density level to third-density level. This has nothing to do with the so-called placement of the soul. This has only to do with the circumstances of the influx of those from that culture.
But that seems iffy - to "late", because (according to our Cass cosmology) Kantek (assuming that Ra means Kantek) exploded 77k BC, and there already was incarnated people on Earth at that time (Fall of Man was 309k YA).

That planetary evolution was also discussed by G, so perhaps that´s what prompt your thought; i.e.:
“But the moon is growing and developing,” said G., “and some time, it will, possibly, attain the same level as the earth. Then, near it, a new moon will appear and the earth will become their sun. At one time the sun was like the earth and the earth like the moon. And earlier still the sun was like the moon.”

“According to this idea the moon is still an unborn planet, one that is, so to speak, being born. It is becoming warm gradually and in time (given a favorable development of the ray of creation) it will become like the earth and have a satellite of its own, a new moon. A new link will have been added to the ray of creation. The earth, too, is not getting colder, it is getting warmer, and may in time become like the sun. We observe such a process for instance in the system of Jupiter, which is a sun for its satellites.

Ouspensky, Piotr Demianovich . In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching (p. 29 and 82). Ishi Press. Kindle Edition.

Interesting topic, T.C.
 
I am trying to pull together my thoughts on the STO polarity and percentages regarding graduation/harvest and poofing.

I think there may indeed be two forms of graduation from 3D to 4D STO possibly linked to the long wave cycle and short-wave cycle. With possible separate polarity requirements.
The Law of One (Ra)
17.31 In the book Oahspe it states that if an individual is more than fifty percent for others— that is, goes over the 50% service to others, and is less than fifty percent for service to self, then he is harvestable. Is this a correct statement?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct if the harvesting is to be for the positive fourth dimensional level.



17.34 Questioner: Well, then if an entity is harvested into fourth density with a grade, let’s say, of fifty-one percent for others, forty-nine percent for self, what level of the fourth density would he go into? I’m assuming there are different levels of the fourth density.

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Each enters the sub-density which vibrates in accordance with the entity’s understanding.
If we look at the Ra material it suggests 51% STO polarity is the minimum needed for harvest. But this does not necessarily equate to instant graduation to a 4D STO being.

I find some confusion following the messages regarding graduation and 4D because it seems we may move to 4D and possibly become 4D but moving to 4D does not necessitate becoming a 4D being. It is not always easy to be sure which instance is being talked about. Ra’s percentages are requirements to qualify for harvest not necessarily specifying the percentages of a 4D STO or STS being.
Note 3D humanity living in a 4D environment prior to the fall.

Now the C’s tell us we cannot become STO until we reach 4th density.
A: The bottom line is this: You are occupying 3rd density. You are by nature, STS. You can be an STO candidate, but you are NOT STO until you are on 4th density. You will NEVER grasp the meaning of these attempted conceptualizations until you are at 4th and above.
But they also say that 3D STO exists.
Q: (T) Is there a 3D race in this universe that is STO?

A: Yes. Already stated thus.
I think it possible that for a 3D being 51%+ polarity would make you qualify as STS and 51% STO polarity would make you qualify as STO.
So, with the C’s telling us there is 3D STO it may indicate that merely being more aligned with STO than STS does not result in instant graduation at least in all circumstances. Noting they do not specify what density these 3D STO beings occupy.

According to the C’s we as 3rd density STS cannot be more than a STO candidate until we reach 4th density. Given that I suspect achieving 51% STO whilst incarnated on 3D STS dominated Earth may normally result in poofing to a 4D environment, but not necessarily instantly becoming a 4D being.
This is not necessarily an absolute rule as it seems under some circumstances 3D STO aligned beings may be able to interact in some way here. Wandering Star brought up the related session on M_H a walk-in.
Q: (BP) Who is M__ H__?

A: True STO.

Q: (J) True STO? Wow! (L) Who is M__ H__? (BP) Is she a 5th density walk-in?

A: Yes.

Q: (J) Where does she live? (L) Who is this person? (T) Is there more besides just a yes?

A: Yes.

Q: (T) So, continue.

A: Exactly!!

Q: (L) Who is M__ H__? (BP) Damn! I took a trip with Reynaldo T___, I met M__ there and we were thrown together in an obvious sort of Celestine Prophecy sort of way, you know, like hit me over the head. And we did this thing at the sacrificial well in Chichen Itza that was apparently some kind of cleansing, because, according to the archaeological inaccuracies, that is where the people were all sacrificed. Maybe they weren't sacrificed, maybe they were volunteers. (L) Maybe it was a different culture altogether. (BP) Yes, because we don't know who all was there. The Mayans may have been long gone. Anyway, we did some sort of healing there and afterward M__ told me a lot of stuff about who she was: on January 11, 1991 she was an ordinary person, she was driving down the road in her car and she felt a presence in her car that turned out to be Jesus Christ. She was taken out of her body, her life was reviewed for her, she was taken to 5th density, which she says is what we know as heaven, and after about 20 minutes or so, she returned as, apparently, someone else. She became very psychic and started having all these experiences. Classic walk-in story. Among other things she says now her body is silicone based and that she is here to anchor a certain energy. My feeling was that, well, I was bouncing back and forth between feeling that this was a demented housewife or an f______ angel walking on the planet. That was my reaction. I sort of fell in love with her except that I wasn't physically attracted to her. She did some work on me. I didn't feel a thing. We spent 6 days in each other's company. So, I have been rather curious. And then, Caryl just sort of blew up in the middle of it. And it was so obvious to me that I had to follow my spirit in that direction and that was what I was supposed to do. It didn't feel like STS, but who knows? M__ reacted extremely negatively. We had not consummated the relationship. She is still living with her husband who won't touch her, who thinks she is crazy, he is total 3rd density. She hadn't been able to get out of that situation. She is way into some weird stuff. (L) Well, M__ may be pure STO, but she may not be fully manifested in the body. (BP) Yeah, she says she is having a lot of trouble anchoring here. (L) My thought is that a lot of us are actually 4th density beings who have come back down to serve. (BP) We are all multi-dimensional masters playing at limitation. (BP) Who is Reynaldo T___?
This extract does have the issue that though dwelling in 5D it is not clear whether M_H is a 3rd or 4th level being. This person is not properly incarnated in 3D but instead acting as a walk with trouble fully anchoring supporting there may be issues in true STO beings being present here.

The poofing to 4D may be for 3D beings who achieve sufficient STO development to align with a STO world. But it may be possible for 3D STO beings to interact, visit or return to our world in some circumstances. 4D STO are meant to be able to visit without issue, but it may not be so easily achievable by 3D STO.
Maybe, this is due to the need to consume to survive here making surviving at as 3D STO incompatible with this reality.
Q: (T) Can you move from STO back to STS? I know you said you can't, but that's because you choose not to?

A: Natural factors prohibit this.

Q: (L) So, I guess that once you get to STO natural factors, the nature of that position is that you just simply don't... it just doesn't happen.

A: Now, blockbuster for you: 3rd level beings who reach total STO profile automatically and instantaneously go to 4th level at moment achieved!

Q: (T) They just vanish? Have people done that before here?

A: Yes.

Q: (F) Yeah, I've heard of that. (T) Sure, people disappear that all the time. (L) Well, I don't think it happens that often, but I think it happens... (F) It has happened. (J) People disappear and you never hear what happened to them. (F) There have been cases where people have suddenly vanished, where a flash of light has just hit them and Poof! (T) Like spontaneous combustion... (F) No... (J) Not spontaneous combustion because the body is left behind. (F) There have been cases where people were actually sitting with other people and suddenly everybody present suddenly sees a blinding flash of light and that person is Spffft! Gonzerooni! (L) Gonzerooni? (F) Once and for all! (T) I want to ask this question, if it has already been asked, somebody stop me, what is the total STO profile? (L) Total lack of concern for self.

A: Yes.
Now it seems to me here it is saying you poof to 4D when you reach total STO profile. And Laura confirms this to be ‘Total lack of concern for self.’

But could it be possible that 51% STO polarity would qualify. As if this is the point at which your concern for others would outweigh your concern for yourself enough, you may be at the point of willingly choosing to perish rather than participate in feeding on others to survive and ready to move on from a physical 3D environment. Ra spoke earlier of moving to an environment appropriate to our understanding after all.

Now if we currently in a short-wave cycle are unable to become 3D STO without going to 4D does that suggest 3D STO normally exists as part of the long wave cycle in an ethereal state. If 3D STO exists logically becoming 4D STO must be more complex than merely being STO orientated. Perhaps it comes down to choice.
A: There is no criteria. A criteria implies a judgment system which implies that an individual or individuals are watching over the progress of other individuals. It is merely part of the natural process of learning, which you are in total control of from beginning to end, in one sense. In that sense, you choose to be in the environment you are in, which does not indicate any recommendation of the environment by any higher source, or, conversely, any condemnation of the environment by any higher source, but merely the existence of the environment and your choice to exist within it. Therefore, being a candidate merely means that you have chosen to be a candidate for ANY level of density, be it first, second, etc. It is a choice of the self to continue that learning pathway.
Being a candidate merely requires us to choose and aim towards higher STO or STS respectively with 51% STO or 95% STS being Ra’s minimum requirements to succeed in this goal. So these requirements are more necessary for truly making your choice rather than accurately representing what percentages your polarity will be once you have become a 4D being.
Perhaps in the long wave cycle though those who become STO may spend relatively longer as 3D STO beings it also takes a long time to actively choose and become 4D STO. Being 3D STO in the long wave cycle may involve steadily continuing until you reach STO polarity equivalent to 4D STO whatever that may be at which point you literally are a 4D STO being.

Whereas in the short-wave cycle at least on 3D STS Earth we spend a relatively shorter time here mostly as STS. Our direct interaction with STS and being STS ourselves provides a direct and faster opportunity to learn and understand STS dynamics and empowers us to choose the path we want to align with. So that if we no longer align with the STS world when we naturally move to 4D we are able to graduate at a faster pace. By knowing evil we are better able to choose good.
Keep in mind that 4D being experience both ethereal and variable physicality so in experiencing the duality of 3D on the short wave cycle we may be better prepared for existence as 4D. In the same 1D and 2D experiencing duality of physical and ethereal from 3D interactions may be better prepared them for 3D existence that will feature ethereal existence.

I also have the thought that due to the STS nature of our physical world and constant attacks our polarity may be being distorted. So, if STO candidates went elsewhere perhaps they could experience a quantum leap in STO polarity. At the same time as with the fall shifting from 4D to 3D it may have weighted our polarity more towards STS.
Q: (L) So it is really important for people to go through this process of cleansing to prepare themselves for that?

A: Yes, then they will "rise up with wings as eagles"!
Sorry if that was a bit hard to follow. I do think this is a very good discussion and demonstration of networking. There is so much great information to be found in the transcripts.
 
I thought axj said 100% STO is needed for graduation to 4D STO? You seem to imply there are two types of graduations and two different percentages are necessary for these graduations (a) 51% STO for graduation due to wave , and (2) 100% STO for instantaneous graduation.
These two types of graduation is exactly what I talked about - I don't know how you could have missed it:

I think that only 3000 people reaching 100% STO in 300,000 years makes sense, since it is almost impossible. Maybe the requirements for the graduation to 4D with the Wave are much lower at 51% STO.
This is not the first time in this discussion that you misread what I wrote.

Obviously, you were misled by the term "total".
Pretending that your interpretation or theory has to be the truth has nothing to do with objectivity. It is simply wishful thinking.

No, I think you're clearly mistaken "again", axj. You seem to be in a rush to prove me wrong in any matter? It's so likely that some or many of the numerous points I've been making are wrong to this or that extent, but I think you're yet to find one of them.
We are here to network in order to hopefully arrive at a more objective perception of reality. Yes, I happen to disagree with some of your theories or the way you try to present theories as facts sometimes.

We are not here to "keep score" on who was right or wrong how many times. I also changed my theories based on feedback in this thread. Pretending that we are always right or one's ego getting offended because someone disagrees is in fact egotism - which is usually accompanied by projection.

STO is "positivity", and STS "negativity". Positivity is towards "being", negativity "non-being".

100% STO is synonymous with 100% being, which is what happens in big-bang at the summit of 7D, because you be one with ALL. That's what 100% means.
Again, you are presenting your interpretation or theory as fact. If what you are saying is true, then 100% 4D STO beings (which probably exist) would go straight to 7D. It is more likely that 100% STO within the limitations of 4D is not the same as 100% STO in 6D or 7D.
 
These two types of graduation is exactly what I talked about - I don't know how you could have missed it:

This is not the first time in this discussion that you misread what I wrote.

Pretending that your interpretation or theory has to be the truth has nothing to do with objectivity. It is simply wishful thinking.

We are here to network in order to hopefully arrive at a more objective perception of reality. Yes, I happen to disagree with some of your theories or the way you try to present theories as facts sometimes.

We are not here to "keep score" on who was right or wrong how many times. I also changed my theories based on feedback in this thread. Pretending that we are always right or one's ego getting offended because someone disagrees is in fact egotism - which is usually accompanied by projection.
I find not full but certain amounts of validity in your criticisms against me. Thank you. I'll try to improve myself in view of this.

STO is "positivity", and STS "negativity". Positivity is towards "being", negativity "non-being".

100% STO is synonymous with 100% being, which is what happens in big-bang at the summit of 7D, because you be one with ALL. That's what 100% means.

Again, you are presenting your interpretation or theory as fact. If what you are saying is true, then 100% 4D STO beings (which probably exist) would go straight to 7D. It is more likely that 100% STO within the limitations of 4D is not the same as 100% STO in 6D or 7D.
Yeah, I appear to present interpretation as fact but I believe I base my interpretation on session info. For instance, a synonymity is found in the Ra-Cassiopaea cosmology between STS and negativity, and between STO and positivity. I think the same can also be said about STO - being, and STS - non-being. Do you disagree with this view?

All I added in the above quote is to associate 100% STS (or negativity) with absolute non-existence, and 100% STO (or positivity) with absolute being (7D), which I still believe is valid.
 
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All I added in the above quote is to associate 100% STS (or negativity) with absolute non-existence, and 100% STO (or positivity) with absolute being (7D), which I still believe is valid.
It is possible.

The C's comment about "poofing" seems to imply that at the moment someone reaches 100% STO in 3D, this person progresses immediately to 4D STO, not 7D. Apparently only 3000 people graduated this way in the 300,000 years since the last Wave/Harvest.

Furthermore, since a 4D STO candidate needs to be become 51% STO in 3D to graduate with the Wave (according to Ra), then why is the Wave necessary at all for graduation, if as you say people reach "total STO profile" and immediately graduate to 4D at just 51% STO even when there is no Wave?

I think the Wave probably makes it much easier to graduate to 4D (at 51% STO instead of 100% STO), which is why according to I think both the C's and Ra the number of people who graduate with the Wave is much higher than the 3000 who graduated without the Wave.
 
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