Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

[Revolucionar]

Just to make the point, here are shaped charges resting on the surface of a steel plate.
There is nothing holding them still, and their tiny mass is the only possible resistance. Yet they punch through what looks like 10mm steel.

The resistance is the explosion itself. How does a rocket fly? It doesn't push against the air, it works on the principle of equal and opposite force. That's why rockets can fly in space, they just need air to burn the fuel.

Look at this video at exactly 13:36

See how you first get a huge explosion in the direction opposite to the shaped charge?
We would have seen the shirt puffing up on Charlie's right side first, but we've seen the exact opposite.
Besides, in all of the videos of shaped charges I watched, the capsule itself gets completely destroyed and with Charlie we see that the mic is still attached to that magnet after the event.
If the capsule didn't explode, we would have seen an even stronger jet towards his right side because all the ignited air would need to go somewhere. I would expect to see nothing left of his shirt on that side. It would also catch fire.

This is most definitely not an exploding mic with a shaped charge.
It could be something else. His shirt does move very peculiarly.
Might be something entirely different, but whatever it is, it needs to explain the inverted recoil we see in the videos.

 

[Revolucionar]

Don't know but it could be the way they vented the device, some sort of muzzle brake for example. Perhaps the body of the device was designed to anchor itself into the victim's skin upon activation shooting a projectile forward and the external 'mike' went with it. Or the device may have sent a mass in the opposite direction making it some sort of recoilless weapon. I don't know, would very much like to see the thing.

Yes, whatever it is it would need a lot of force in the other direction and we just don't see that in the videos.

 

[Joe]

If you had a projectile going out from one side and at a certain acceleration, you would need to have an equal force on the other end. Even if you're right that the whole mic would move with the projectile, you would need to have enormous acceleration of the air on the other end to match the m•a of both the projectile and the mic itself. It would blow up the shirt so much, I would expect it to be ripped to shreds.

It depends on how much explosive was used and how it may have been contained within the device

Just think about the force that would be required for a small projectile to pierce a persons chests and come out clean on the other side of the neck.

I don't think that requires a lot of force.

The same amount of force would have to be present in the opposite vector as well. Where is that force? I just don't see it.

The recoil could be largely absorbed by a counter-mass within the mic.

 

[Revolucionar]

It depends on how much explosive was used and how it may have been contained within the device

Well, you can see the movement of the mic in the videos. Now add to that the projectile itself and imagine the amount of air and acceleration on the other end that would be required to match it. I don't see any of that movement to the right of the mic.

I don't think that requires a lot of force.

It requires a good deal force, and whatever that number is, you would need to have that same amount going somewhere else. I just don't see it in the videos.

The recoil could be largely absorbed by a counter-mass within the mic.

How would that work? The mic moves with the projectile. Any counter-mass would just reduce the amount the mic would move in the opposite direction.

 

[Joe]

It requires a good deal force, and whatever that number is, you would need to have that same amount going somewhere else. I just don't see it in the videos.

Think about how much force it required to stab a screwdriver through 20cms of pork meat.

How would that work? The mic moves with the projectile. Any counter-mass would just reduce the amount the mic would move in the opposite direction.

Right, but still enough to send a piece of liquid metal through his neck.

None of us have enough technical knowledge to know how to make such a device that would operate in the way observed, but there does seem to be evidence that it is likely possible, with enough know-how. And the most important part of the equation is that it seems that only such a device fits with the facts that we CAN observe regarding the shirt and mic and wound.

 

[Ryan]

And the most important part of the equation is that it seems that only such a device fits with the facts that we CAN observe regarding the shirt and mic and wound.

That front-on footage of the shockwave under Charlie's shirt made it clear some sort of explosive was involved even before the C's were asked. Seems pretty obvious to me. An Israeli 'pager-style' exploding mic explains it well.

 

[Revolucionar]

Think about how much force it required to stab a screwdriver through 20cms of pork meat

Good thinking. What if I was holding screwdriver point down on a piece of meat. What sort of weight and from what height would I need to drop it on to that screwdriver to go through and through?

Now just replace that weight with a relatively small amount of air. What speed would the air need to be moving at? (and let's say it's solid)

That's the sort of movement you would need to be seeing in the opposite direction.

Right, but still enough to send a piece of liquid metal through his neck.

You don't need a counter weight for that. The counter weight would just reduce the amount of visible recoil, but what we see is the very opposite of recoil.

None of us have enough technical knowledge to know how to make such a device that would operate in the way observed, but there does seem to be evidence that it is likely possible, with enough know-how. And the most important part of the equation is that it seems that only such a device fits with the facts that we CAN observe regarding the shirt and mic and wound.

I'm just saying that I think the mic didn't explode. Something else may have. Maybe he had something down lower in his shirt. The movement of the shirt goes from bottom right to top left. Maybe a phone in his pocket?

 

[Laura]

Maybe there are some youtube videos with people experimenting with explosives to understand the physics of it? Maybe that would be worth searching and viewing. If anything looks interesting, bring it back here and post it.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

That's the sort of movement you would need to be seeing in the opposite direction.

FWIW, this is what Grok says about shaped charge energy displacement:

Based on the physics of shaped charges, approximately 90-95% of the explosive energy is directed forward into the formation of the high-velocity jet, driven by the collapse of the metallic liner (typically copper) under the explosive's detonation. This jet travels in the intended blast direction at speeds up to 8-10 km/s, carrying most of the energy in the form of kinetic energy. The remaining 5-10% of the energy is dissipated in other forms, including:

• Backblast: A small portion of the energy travels in the opposite direction of the jet, as a shockwave or expanding gases. This is typically less than 5% of the total energy, as the shaped charge's geometry (e.g., conical liner) minimizes rearward energy loss.
• Heat and shockwave: Some energy is lost as heat, light, and omnidirectional shockwaves, which may include minor rearward components.
• Residual energy: A fraction is absorbed by the charge casing or surrounding materials.

I still think that initial jump on his left side/shoulder is his necklace being flung up - whatever the cause. That movement may have pulled his shirt in that direction, causing the movement from his right to left which we see in the magnetic mic clip.

 

[aragorn]

Just for fun, I checked with ChatGTP:

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If a projectile gains forward momentum, something else must take equal and opposite momentum. You can keep the launcher from kicking backward—or even make it nudge forward—by making that “something else” not be the launcher.

Here are the main ways:
1. Counter-mass / recoilless designs (explosion-based) → stays put or can move forward
Vent gas (or eject a counter-mass) backwards as the projectile goes forward. If the rearward jet/counter-mass momentum equals the projectile’s forward momentum, the launcher feels ~zero recoil. If you overbalance it (more momentum going backward), the launcher actually gets a small forward push.
• Examples in principle: “recoilless rifle” style backblast, or a sealed tube that throws a light filler mass rearward as the projectile goes forward.
2. Twin-opposed projectiles (explosion, spring, EM, etc.) → stays put
Fire two equal projectiles in opposite directions at once inside the same device. Their momenta cancel, so the launcher feels essentially no net recoil.
3. Vacuum/implosion “vacuum cannon” style → minimal recoil (often close to zero)
You evacuate a tube, then let atmospheric air rush in and push the projectile. Most of the “reaction” momentum goes into the huge reservoir of outside air (the atmosphere), not the launcher. Practically, the tube experiences little kick. It typically won’t move forward, but it can remain nearly stationary compared to an explosive gun.
4. External anchoring / momentum sink (tripod, wall, ground, water) → stays put
If the launcher is mechanically coupled to a large external mass, that mass absorbs the reaction momentum, so the launcher doesn’t jump back.
5. Internal moving counterweights / counter-recoil mechanisms → reduces or cancels recoil
Parts inside the device move in the opposite direction (sprung masses, sliding barrels) to absorb the impulse, leaving little motion of the overall chassis.
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So, it appears that there could be several options to accomplish what we suspect happened. I think it’s highly plausible that for something like this a truly novel and rare technology would be used to cover the tracks. Maybe two projectiles were shot in opposite directions?

 

[JEEP]

I noticed that Jon Bray, whose analysis was used in that episode of the Jimmy Dore show (regarding the exploding microphone), tagged Candace as well in a more recent X post of his.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1975714000899064205

Regarding the above X, Jon Bray's analysis seems to indicate that the rectangular magnetic clip hit the neck and caused the wound. He then goes on to say that the clip falls out of the wound. So, I'm confused. Is he saying the clip created an entry wound, but then fell out of that wound because of the gushing blood? (and please let me interject that every analysis of what happened to Charlie that involves breaking down the vids of his death greatly enhances my sorrow for Charlie. That such a horrible attack was perpetrated on him while being completely unsuspecting of the team that did this to him. He knew those guys and felt secure that he had nothing to fear while sitting in that chair. And so, if getting justice for Charlie means reviewing the vids of his death repeatedly, then we must adapt a cold attitude and continue to do what needs to be done.) He then goes on to say there were two wounds. He lost me.

On another note, did anyone notice in this image that the mic was on the outside of the shirt with the magnetic rectangular clip underneath. And it even appears to be pulling his shirt down a bit. I wonder if reversing this mode of attachment was why it wasn't attached backstage as usual, to distract Charlie from asking why it was being put on differently with all the activity going on around him at the time? Or was the explanation that it was a new and improved, lighter weight mic and thus, the reason to reverse attachment?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Regarding the above X, Jon Bray's analysis seems to indicate that the rectangular magnetic clip hit the neck and caused the wound. He then goes on to say that the clip falls out of the wound. So, I'm confused. Is he saying the clip created an entry wound, but then fell out of that wound because of the gushing blood?

If so, I think he's wrong. In the high-quality video that came out a couple weeks ago, you can see the clip stays attached during the whole event. It is still attached when the wound appears.

On another note, did anyone notice in this image that the mic was on the outside of the shirt with the magnetic rectangular clip underneath. And it even appears to be pulling his shirt down a bit.

In a previous post I showed an even earlier this year where the magnetic clip is on the outside and the mic casing on the inside. He seems to have worn it both ways at different events.