Charlie Kirk is dead... A sad day in history

Just to make the point, here are shaped charges resting on the surface of a steel plate.
There is nothing holding them still, and their tiny mass is the only possible resistance. Yet they punch through what looks like 10mm steel.

The resistance is the explosion itself. How does a rocket fly? It doesn't push against the air, it works on the principle of equal and opposite force. That's why rockets can fly in space, they just need air to burn the fuel.

Look at this video at exactly 13:36

See how you first get a huge explosion in the direction opposite to the shaped charge?
We would have seen the shirt puffing up on Charlie's right side first, but we've seen the exact opposite.
Besides, in all of the videos of shaped charges I watched, the capsule itself gets completely destroyed and with Charlie we see that the mic is still attached to that magnet after the event.
If the capsule didn't explode, we would have seen an even stronger jet towards his right side because all the ignited air would need to go somewhere. I would expect to see nothing left of his shirt on that side. It would also catch fire.

This is most definitely not an exploding mic with a shaped charge.
It could be something else. His shirt does move very peculiarly.
Might be something entirely different, but whatever it is, it needs to explain the inverted recoil we see in the videos.
 
Don't know but it could be the way they vented the device, some sort of muzzle brake for example. Perhaps the body of the device was designed to anchor itself into the victim's skin upon activation shooting a projectile forward and the external 'mike' went with it. Or the device may have sent a mass in the opposite direction making it some sort of recoilless weapon. I don't know, would very much like to see the thing.
Yes, whatever it is it would need a lot of force in the other direction and we just don't see that in the videos.
 
If you had a projectile going out from one side and at a certain acceleration, you would need to have an equal force on the other end. Even if you're right that the whole mic would move with the projectile, you would need to have enormous acceleration of the air on the other end to match the m•a of both the projectile and the mic itself. It would blow up the shirt so much, I would expect it to be ripped to shreds.

It depends on how much explosive was used and how it may have been contained within the device

Just think about the force that would be required for a small projectile to pierce a persons chests and come out clean on the other side of the neck.

I don't think that requires a lot of force.

The same amount of force would have to be present in the opposite vector as well. Where is that force? I just don't see it.

The recoil could be largely absorbed by a counter-mass within the mic.
 
It depends on how much explosive was used and how it may have been contained within the device
Well, you can see the movement of the mic in the videos. Now add to that the projectile itself and imagine the amount of air and acceleration on the other end that would be required to match it. I don't see any of that movement to the right of the mic.
I don't think that requires a lot of force.
It requires a good deal force, and whatever that number is, you would need to have that same amount going somewhere else. I just don't see it in the videos.
The recoil could be largely absorbed by a counter-mass within the mic.
How would that work? The mic moves with the projectile. Any counter-mass would just reduce the amount the mic would move in the opposite direction.
 
It requires a good deal force, and whatever that number is, you would need to have that same amount going somewhere else. I just don't see it in the videos.

Think about how much force it required to stab a screwdriver through 20cms of pork meat.

How would that work? The mic moves with the projectile. Any counter-mass would just reduce the amount the mic would move in the opposite direction.

Right, but still enough to send a piece of liquid metal through his neck.

None of us have enough technical knowledge to know how to make such a device that would operate in the way observed, but there does seem to be evidence that it is likely possible, with enough know-how. And the most important part of the equation is that it seems that only such a device fits with the facts that we CAN observe regarding the shirt and mic and wound.
 
And the most important part of the equation is that it seems that only such a device fits with the facts that we CAN observe regarding the shirt and mic and wound.
That front-on footage of the shockwave under Charlie's shirt made it clear some sort of explosive was involved even before the C's were asked. Seems pretty obvious to me. An Israeli 'pager-style' exploding mic explains it well.
 
Think about how much force it required to stab a screwdriver through 20cms of pork meat
Good thinking. What if I was holding screwdriver point down on a piece of meat. What sort of weight and from what height would I need to drop it on to that screwdriver to go through and through?

Now just replace that weight with a relatively small amount of air. What speed would the air need to be moving at? (and let's say it's solid)

That's the sort of movement you would need to be seeing in the opposite direction.
Right, but still enough to send a piece of liquid metal through his neck.
You don't need a counter weight for that. The counter weight would just reduce the amount of visible recoil, but what we see is the very opposite of recoil.
None of us have enough technical knowledge to know how to make such a device that would operate in the way observed, but there does seem to be evidence that it is likely possible, with enough know-how. And the most important part of the equation is that it seems that only such a device fits with the facts that we CAN observe regarding the shirt and mic and wound.
I'm just saying that I think the mic didn't explode. Something else may have. Maybe he had something down lower in his shirt. The movement of the shirt goes from bottom right to top left. Maybe a phone in his pocket?
 
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