Sindy-S.R
Jedi
I don't know if they believe in reincarnation, but in terms of knowledge about consciousness, how they perceive it, and the technology to manipulate or understand it, they are light years ahead of us...
That's my point.
Session 6 December 2025
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That's my point.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
I believe that you and Nienna will find many answers in the link I've provided below.
It appears that there are several Freemasons on the forum, so they will be able to assess the accuracy of that exchange.
There's also a thread about that on the forum.
Bernardo GA
Jedi Master
I completely agree.
And because of this need to go unnoticed, to have a suitable appearance so as not to attract attention and thus be able to infiltrate the very heart of a secret society, which in this case would be a Chinese secret society (possibly the Chinese Communist Party itself), and considering that the Illuminati
I wonder if the Illuminati need to infiltrate directly, which would be a problem for the reasons mentioned above, or if they actually use other resources, use beings raised underground for various missions on the surface, extreme mind control over members in key positions within the secret society, or anything else that solves the problem of physical appearance.
That is, domination, control, and direction of that secret society, without the need to be physically present in it.
For a reason, the Illuminati are represented by the character of the “Wizard behind the curtain.”
Perhaps we will manage to draw back that curtain at some point. It seems that our freedom is closely linked to that achievement.
palestine
Jedi Council Member
Wasn't there a "non-recommendation" in another thread?
Not willing to discredit the content, but seems to me that there were strong opposition to the objectivity of the text.
I think most people would consider $30 billion to be a vast sum of money but then this would not put them in the same ball park as fortunes go in comparison to say Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk. But you do have a point.
I remember reading some years ago that a group of Swiss based researchers undertook a project to determine just who controlled all the most powerful listed companies in the world. This involved trying to unravel a huge network of cross-holdings by which front companies would own shares in other large corporations. Working from memory here, I believe in the end they found that most of these large share holdings in major corporations were ultimately concentrated in the hands of a just a few individuals and families that made them fabulously wealthy in the order of trillions, not billions. If there is anything in this, it would suggest that these individuals and families were the Illuminati and it would bear out what you were saying. Incidentally, I don't think they were able to work out who these individuals and families were, unless, of course they had deemed it prudent not to say on the basis that they wanted to keep living.
I remember reading some years ago that a group of Swiss based researchers undertook a project to determine just who controlled all the most powerful listed companies in the world. This involved trying to unravel a huge network of cross-holdings by which front companies would own shares in other large corporations. Working from memory here, I believe in the end they found that most of these large share holdings in major corporations were ultimately concentrated in the hands of a just a few individuals and families that made them fabulously wealthy in the order of trillions, not billions. If there is anything in this, it would suggest that these individuals and families were the Illuminati and it would bear out what you were saying. Incidentally, I don't think they were able to work out who these individuals and families were, unless, of course they had deemed it prudent not to say on the basis that they wanted to keep living.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
My own take on all this secret society stuff is that if we accept the ideas around higher densities/dimensions, advanced ancient civilisations, underground beings who can live for thousands of years, and so on, then the “game” is being played on a scale that very few people could comprehend. Largely because our lifespans are so short, we tend to hyper-focus far too much on our own time and location.
My view is that people with true power wouldn’t feel the need to wield it openly or signal that they have it, unless it was strictly necessary. What greater pleasure is there than having power while living like a common person? Isn't this the thing most superheroes follow: Superman/Clark Kent, Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and so on. Not that I'm saying such people are superheroes!
Thinking hypothetically, and assuming the above conditions are true, real power would likely be hidden in obscurity to some extent, think of the gods, or Zeus living as a beggar, that kind of thing. In the modern world, we often assume “true” power lies with families holding trillions of dollars in hidden wealth, but do the truly powerful even need that level of wealth?
I’d argue that what they really need is deep knowledge of the system’s pressure points, knowing where to apply minimal effort to achieve maximum effect. They’d need the ability to raise funds quickly if required, but otherwise, why hold vast wealth if it isn’t serving a purpose? Ultimately, true power means not being constrained by the forces that dictate how the vast majority of people live or behave.
In my mind, I don't picture such types as being the most vain, egotistical, secretly insecure, psychopathic or whatever. I picture such people as being in full control over themselves, having hidden knowledge of how things actually work at the esoteric level, knowing how to exercise such knowledge and ultimately having transcended mortality to some extent. I'd imagine they'd be master manipulaters and would know how to exercise power through others, be it individuals or whole nations. Look at Trump for example and tell me that guy can't be played like a fiddle by a group of people who know exactly what to do, look at Israel, look at things like Darwin's theory of evolution - to me all these stuff has the hallmarks of something that is exerting influence from way beyond where you'd even consider the shadows to be. Naturally, the question becomes - if it's not really about money, power, wealth or some other ego driven things, then what is it really about for such a thing, should it exist?
My view is that people with true power wouldn’t feel the need to wield it openly or signal that they have it, unless it was strictly necessary. What greater pleasure is there than having power while living like a common person? Isn't this the thing most superheroes follow: Superman/Clark Kent, Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and so on. Not that I'm saying such people are superheroes!
Thinking hypothetically, and assuming the above conditions are true, real power would likely be hidden in obscurity to some extent, think of the gods, or Zeus living as a beggar, that kind of thing. In the modern world, we often assume “true” power lies with families holding trillions of dollars in hidden wealth, but do the truly powerful even need that level of wealth?
I’d argue that what they really need is deep knowledge of the system’s pressure points, knowing where to apply minimal effort to achieve maximum effect. They’d need the ability to raise funds quickly if required, but otherwise, why hold vast wealth if it isn’t serving a purpose? Ultimately, true power means not being constrained by the forces that dictate how the vast majority of people live or behave.
In my mind, I don't picture such types as being the most vain, egotistical, secretly insecure, psychopathic or whatever. I picture such people as being in full control over themselves, having hidden knowledge of how things actually work at the esoteric level, knowing how to exercise such knowledge and ultimately having transcended mortality to some extent. I'd imagine they'd be master manipulaters and would know how to exercise power through others, be it individuals or whole nations. Look at Trump for example and tell me that guy can't be played like a fiddle by a group of people who know exactly what to do, look at Israel, look at things like Darwin's theory of evolution - to me all these stuff has the hallmarks of something that is exerting influence from way beyond where you'd even consider the shadows to be. Naturally, the question becomes - if it's not really about money, power, wealth or some other ego driven things, then what is it really about for such a thing, should it exist?
Wandering Star
The Living Force
Yes, that was the majority reaction.
For many years now, I have had this “theory” going round and round in my head.
I don't know if this idea has been proposed here before. I don't remember reading it before.
For example, if I were an underground-Illuminati SAS, what would be the thing I would fear most?
From my point of view, it could be death. And why death?
Because that implies reincarnation, and the crux of the matter would be “where would you end up incarnated?”
My theory would be that this obsession with “lineages” is so that they can be reincarnated into the same group or family group of Illuminati.
Well, that's my idea, I don't know if it could be even remotely possible.
@MJF
This idea reminds me of this scene from the movie "Jupiter Ascending" 2015:
And here I left a message related to this "idea" I've put forward...
Lord Jacob Rothschild: Financier from elite family dies aged 87
Financier, philanthropist and head of the renowned Rothschild empire, Lord Jacob Rothschild has died aged 87. His family confirmed his death in a statement on Monday and described the patriarch - who has held a number of senior financial and...www.sott.net
I really enjoyed that movie. It seemed to be one of those fantasy films that was hinting at a disguised truth. BTW: I love that British actress's name "Tuppence" Middleton since her forename was once common parlance for two old pennies. Quite rare and unusual 
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It strikes me that the problem with reincarnation is the veil of forgetfulness. So, even if you manage to reincarnate into the same bloodline (assuming here you get the choice), you will not simply be able to pick up where you left off in your previous life, as you have to relearn things just to get to the approximate position you enjoyed in your previous life. However, the C's have suggested that for an elect few, there are persons who are able to retain their memory from one life to another, which would certainly give them a huge advantage in continuing past life projects and designs:
. It strikes me that the problem with reincarnation is the veil of forgetfulness. So, even if you manage to reincarnate into the same bloodline (assuming here you get the choice), you will not simply be able to pick up where you left off in your previous life, as you have to relearn things just to get to the approximate position you enjoyed in your previous life. However, the C's have suggested that for an elect few, there are persons who are able to retain their memory from one life to another, which would certainly give them a huge advantage in continuing past life projects and designs:
Do these "select few" include high ranking members of the Illuminati I wonder?
Talking about movies and reincarnation, I see that Barnardo GA referred to The Wizard of Oz in his last post and the fact that the C's told us that in the movie the Wizard behind the curtain represented the Illuminati. Well the movie got a reference in another session, this time in connection with reincarnation matters:
If this is true for Laura and co, it may be just as true for our heavily STS orientated Illuminati friends as well and, if some of them have the benefit of remembering their past/future lives, this again would give them a huge advantage in fulfilling their current life mission.
Sindy-S.R
Jedi
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
Thinking out loud about the reincarnation problem for highly secretive groups.
Hypothetically, it would be crucial to understand what carries over from one life to the next, and what is lost in between. It would also be important to know whether a particular individual can be tracked across incarnations, and whether it’s possible, at least to some extent, to influence where that person “lands” in their next life.
If such things are possible, then certain games could be played. While the person who dies and reincarnates would forget most of everything, certain qualities, tendencies, or recurring themes might persist across lives. That individual could then be brought back into the “fold” by others who have not yet died, only for those others themselves to eventually die and forget, and so on.
When you layer in 4D STS, things may operate on a completely interesting level.
Ultimately, I don’t believe death itself would be a problem if there were full knowledge of reincarnation and how to “work” the system as it were. What might become the real issue is the availability of suitable bodies to reincarnate into - bodies capable of fully actualising one’s potential.
Hypothetically, it would be crucial to understand what carries over from one life to the next, and what is lost in between. It would also be important to know whether a particular individual can be tracked across incarnations, and whether it’s possible, at least to some extent, to influence where that person “lands” in their next life.
If such things are possible, then certain games could be played. While the person who dies and reincarnates would forget most of everything, certain qualities, tendencies, or recurring themes might persist across lives. That individual could then be brought back into the “fold” by others who have not yet died, only for those others themselves to eventually die and forget, and so on.
When you layer in 4D STS, things may operate on a completely interesting level.
Ultimately, I don’t believe death itself would be a problem if there were full knowledge of reincarnation and how to “work” the system as it were. What might become the real issue is the availability of suitable bodies to reincarnate into - bodies capable of fully actualising one’s potential.
palestine
Jedi Council Member
Must be it. I think I was afraid that you would somehow stop at the Lee family so just wanted to point out the "money amount spec".
The Swiss study is telling. It provides a generic explanation that may be used in wherever location.
Let me enjoy the opportunity of this message, to tell you thanks for your extensive posts!
After reading the material, I thought "whoa that's something, this text!".
Something makes its way through when I read the text.
It's not the ideology of the guy which is blatantly outreagous, flawed, wrong and subjective.
After the reading, I felt convinced that this was the nitty-gritty / there was some nitty-gritty.
Some red flags, here and there, kept me back - but it wasn't enough.Some material made its way through, some precise things that are difficult to highlight. This is odd: despite identifiable red flags in the text, it seems that some content makes its way through automatically.
Initially, I thought of it being due to a "pathological factor" hiding inside the text:
(A. Lobaczewski, "political ponerology")
A pathology, wrong principles, subjective erroneous concepts - tying to pathology rather than truth. Hard to identify. Spellbinding to the pathology occurs, scrambling our logical processes and critical faculties. For instance, a person outside of the C forum would read that stuff, and not spot the flaws in terms of STO/STS metaphysics. I do, but something still makes its way through. If the "pathological factor" is the correct explanation, where does it lie, then?
But, there can be something else. Greenbauming?
The guy may be greenbaumed, or his text is material intending to resonate with some greenbauming we would have internally. The Greenbaum stuff seems so hidden that it's very difficult to even act on it. In additon, Greenabum is about kaballism. So - does this material have a buildup suceptible of triggering a Greenbaum programming in the reader? Quite a wild take on my part but I am exploring why I felt that way.
I feel that something is at work. I was left too convinced that the text was "right". Despite the outrageous statements.
So there's "a something" that scrambles our intellectual processes, and makes us move forward without critical faculties.
I believe that "The Ruiner" is another person; "The Ruiner" material appeared in the same thread than a thread which was initially about "hidden hand".
Thank you for the session.
Morley Robbins recommends very particular brands of cod liver oil for retinol vitamin A in the Root Cause Protocol. They have recommendations for different regions of the world. Their protocol gives recommended dosages.Hello everyone, following this session, I would like to know if anyone living in France has any advice on dietary supplements for detoxifying the body of heavy metals and preventing iodine, copper and vitamin C deficiencies, based on the C's recommendations. What is the C's recommended dosage for an individual? I am referring to products that can be purchased in France. Thank you all very much for your support.
Copper bisglycinate is the form of copper supplement that Morley Robbins' Root Cause Protocol recommends currently. I've been giving 2 mg of it a day to the rest of my family, while I've been taking 8-10 mg a day until I get my copper levels high enough in lab tests. The Root Cause Protocol recommends 2-6 mg a day currently. The Root Cause Protocol does not recommend getting copper from copper cups, and most likely not copper bracelets either. The particular brand of copper bisglycinate I'm taking is NuMedica, which I chose on my own because I do not trust the brand Formula IQ recommended by the Root Cause Protocol. Copper supplements is a relatively new recommendation by the Root Cause Protocol, as previously they recommended getting copper from food only such as beef liver, but they learned recently that the depletion of food has also depleted copper from food.
Additionally, copper does not act alone in the body and other vitamins and minerals are needed, so the Root Cause Protocol recommends several other supplements, such as very particular brands of cod liver oil for retinol vitamin A, whole food vitamin C, and magnesium. I've been giving my family beef liver capsule, cod liver oil capsule, magnesium, and copper bisglycinate.
The particular supplements vetted and approved by the Root Cause Protocol, though I do not recommend the brand Formula IQ.
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I thought this anticipation was very suspicious.
I think focusing on love instead of sex is good enough, to let love guide sex. I also remember the book The Siren Call Of Hungry Ghosts warning about spirits focusing on sex and trying to get people to have sex.
Sindy-S.R
Jedi
Session 11 January 1995
Here it says that not all underground-Illuminati have the ability to remember their past lives.
And that's where my idea comes in.
As everyone in the forum knows, those who belong to the STS live in an environment of constant struggle for power and the best benefits.
What if those who cannot remember their past lives also wanted those benefits?
What things would these “beings” be capable of doing?
Well, I'm "hypothesizing" a possible scenery of what conflicts of interest and ambitions might be like at this level.
Not so much the problem of living for almost or more than 1,000 years, but also avoiding a “Game Over” and returning to where you were before.
For example, what would an elite person or a psychopath like Netanyahu, who knew a 3D Illuminati, do to be like them?
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
Well, by definition a psychopath doesn't have an individuated soul and so reincarnation is not possible for them.
I take your point though. I think one of the games being played is that there is a carrot being dangled infront of your 3D bad guy that if they do x,y,z perhaps they will get certain future benefits i.e. reincarnate with full memory, reincarnate into the same family so will still have their fortune etc.
panoptix
Jedi
Yes, in more than one occasion: First, they orchestrate the separation from his human girlfriend in pursuit of his “ethereal lover” Filipa. Then they try different approaches to orchestrate a “crush” with Dr. Pinkerton's medium, if memory serves.
Finally, the guides forced Sandford and the medium Aviva to have intercourse:
The Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts - ch. XVII - One Man’s Nightmare - pp. 292-293 said:
In the final chapter, a letter from a reader, warns Fisher about it (very close to some John Keel deductions):
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