Sindy-S.R
Jedi
I don't know if they believe in reincarnation, but in terms of knowledge about consciousness, how they perceive it, and the technology to manipulate or understand it, they are light years ahead of us...
That's my point.
Session 6 December 2025
- Thread starter Laura
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That's my point.
Wandering Star
The Living Force
I believe that you and Nienna will find many answers in the link I've provided below.
It appears that there are several Freemasons on the forum, so they will be able to assess the accuracy of that exchange.
There's also a thread about that on the forum.
Bernardo GA
Jedi Master
I completely agree.
And because of this need to go unnoticed, to have a suitable appearance so as not to attract attention and thus be able to infiltrate the very heart of a secret society, which in this case would be a Chinese secret society (possibly the Chinese Communist Party itself), and considering that the Illuminati
I wonder if the Illuminati need to infiltrate directly, which would be a problem for the reasons mentioned above, or if they actually use other resources, use beings raised underground for various missions on the surface, extreme mind control over members in key positions within the secret society, or anything else that solves the problem of physical appearance.
That is, domination, control, and direction of that secret society, without the need to be physically present in it.
For a reason, the Illuminati are represented by the character of the “Wizard behind the curtain.”
Perhaps we will manage to draw back that curtain at some point. It seems that our freedom is closely linked to that achievement.
palestine
Jedi Council Member
Wasn't there a "non-recommendation" in another thread?
Not willing to discredit the content, but seems to me that there were strong opposition to the objectivity of the text.
I think most people would consider $30 billion to be a vast sum of money but then this would not put them in the same ball park as fortunes go in comparison to say Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk. But you do have a point.
I remember reading some years ago that a group of Swiss based researchers undertook a project to determine just who controlled all the most powerful listed companies in the world. This involved trying to unravel a huge network of cross-holdings by which front companies would own shares in other large corporations. Working from memory here, I believe in the end they found that most of these large share holdings in major corporations were ultimately concentrated in the hands of a just a few individuals and families that made them fabulously wealthy in the order of trillions, not billions. If there is anything in this, it would suggest that these individuals and families were the Illuminati and it would bear out what you were saying. Incidentally, I don't think they were able to work out who these individuals and families were, unless, of course they had deemed it prudent not to say on the basis that they wanted to keep living.
I remember reading some years ago that a group of Swiss based researchers undertook a project to determine just who controlled all the most powerful listed companies in the world. This involved trying to unravel a huge network of cross-holdings by which front companies would own shares in other large corporations. Working from memory here, I believe in the end they found that most of these large share holdings in major corporations were ultimately concentrated in the hands of a just a few individuals and families that made them fabulously wealthy in the order of trillions, not billions. If there is anything in this, it would suggest that these individuals and families were the Illuminati and it would bear out what you were saying. Incidentally, I don't think they were able to work out who these individuals and families were, unless, of course they had deemed it prudent not to say on the basis that they wanted to keep living.
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
My own take on all this secret society stuff is that if we accept the ideas around higher densities/dimensions, advanced ancient civilisations, underground beings who can live for thousands of years, and so on, then the “game” is being played on a scale that very few people could comprehend. Largely because our lifespans are so short, we tend to hyper-focus far too much on our own time and location.
My view is that people with true power wouldn’t feel the need to wield it openly or signal that they have it, unless it was strictly necessary. What greater pleasure is there than having power while living like a common person? Isn't this the thing most superheroes follow: Superman/Clark Kent, Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and so on. Not that I'm saying such people are superheroes!
Thinking hypothetically, and assuming the above conditions are true, real power would likely be hidden in obscurity to some extent, think of the gods, or Zeus living as a beggar, that kind of thing. In the modern world, we often assume “true” power lies with families holding trillions of dollars in hidden wealth, but do the truly powerful even need that level of wealth?
I’d argue that what they really need is deep knowledge of the system’s pressure points, knowing where to apply minimal effort to achieve maximum effect. They’d need the ability to raise funds quickly if required, but otherwise, why hold vast wealth if it isn’t serving a purpose? Ultimately, true power means not being constrained by the forces that dictate how the vast majority of people live or behave.
In my mind, I don't picture such types as being the most vain, egotistical, secretly insecure, psychopathic or whatever. I picture such people as being in full control over themselves, having hidden knowledge of how things actually work at the esoteric level, knowing how to exercise such knowledge and ultimately having transcended mortality to some extent. I'd imagine they'd be master manipulaters and would know how to exercise power through others, be it individuals or whole nations. Look at Trump for example and tell me that guy can't be played like a fiddle by a group of people who know exactly what to do, look at Israel, look at things like Darwin's theory of evolution - to me all these stuff has the hallmarks of something that is exerting influence from way beyond where you'd even consider the shadows to be. Naturally, the question becomes - if it's not really about money, power, wealth or some other ego driven things, then what is it really about for such a thing, should it exist?
My view is that people with true power wouldn’t feel the need to wield it openly or signal that they have it, unless it was strictly necessary. What greater pleasure is there than having power while living like a common person? Isn't this the thing most superheroes follow: Superman/Clark Kent, Spider-Man/Peter Parker, and so on. Not that I'm saying such people are superheroes!
Thinking hypothetically, and assuming the above conditions are true, real power would likely be hidden in obscurity to some extent, think of the gods, or Zeus living as a beggar, that kind of thing. In the modern world, we often assume “true” power lies with families holding trillions of dollars in hidden wealth, but do the truly powerful even need that level of wealth?
I’d argue that what they really need is deep knowledge of the system’s pressure points, knowing where to apply minimal effort to achieve maximum effect. They’d need the ability to raise funds quickly if required, but otherwise, why hold vast wealth if it isn’t serving a purpose? Ultimately, true power means not being constrained by the forces that dictate how the vast majority of people live or behave.
In my mind, I don't picture such types as being the most vain, egotistical, secretly insecure, psychopathic or whatever. I picture such people as being in full control over themselves, having hidden knowledge of how things actually work at the esoteric level, knowing how to exercise such knowledge and ultimately having transcended mortality to some extent. I'd imagine they'd be master manipulaters and would know how to exercise power through others, be it individuals or whole nations. Look at Trump for example and tell me that guy can't be played like a fiddle by a group of people who know exactly what to do, look at Israel, look at things like Darwin's theory of evolution - to me all these stuff has the hallmarks of something that is exerting influence from way beyond where you'd even consider the shadows to be. Naturally, the question becomes - if it's not really about money, power, wealth or some other ego driven things, then what is it really about for such a thing, should it exist?
Wandering Star
The Living Force
Yes, that was the majority reaction.
For many years now, I have had this “theory” going round and round in my head.
I don't know if this idea has been proposed here before. I don't remember reading it before.
For example, if I were an underground-Illuminati SAS, what would be the thing I would fear most?
From my point of view, it could be death. And why death?
Because that implies reincarnation, and the crux of the matter would be “where would you end up incarnated?”
My theory would be that this obsession with “lineages” is so that they can be reincarnated into the same group or family group of Illuminati.
Well, that's my idea, I don't know if it could be even remotely possible.
@MJF
This idea reminds me of this scene from the movie "Jupiter Ascending" 2015:
And here I left a message related to this "idea" I've put forward...
Lord Jacob Rothschild: Financier from elite family dies aged 87
Financier, philanthropist and head of the renowned Rothschild empire, Lord Jacob Rothschild has died aged 87. His family confirmed his death in a statement on Monday and described the patriarch - who has held a number of senior financial and...www.sott.net
I really enjoyed that movie. It seemed to be one of those fantasy films that was hinting at a disguised truth. BTW: I love that British actress's name "Tuppence" Middleton since her forename was once common parlance for two old pennies. Quite rare and unusual 
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It strikes me that the problem with reincarnation is the veil of forgetfulness. So, even if you manage to reincarnate into the same bloodline (assuming here you get the choice), you will not simply be able to pick up where you left off in your previous life, as you have to relearn things just to get to the approximate position you enjoyed in your previous life. However, the C's have suggested that for an elect few, there are persons who are able to retain their memory from one life to another, which would certainly give them a huge advantage in continuing past life projects and designs:
. It strikes me that the problem with reincarnation is the veil of forgetfulness. So, even if you manage to reincarnate into the same bloodline (assuming here you get the choice), you will not simply be able to pick up where you left off in your previous life, as you have to relearn things just to get to the approximate position you enjoyed in your previous life. However, the C's have suggested that for an elect few, there are persons who are able to retain their memory from one life to another, which would certainly give them a huge advantage in continuing past life projects and designs:
Do these "select few" include high ranking members of the Illuminati I wonder?
Talking about movies and reincarnation, I see that Barnardo GA referred to The Wizard of Oz in his last post and the fact that the C's told us that in the movie the Wizard behind the curtain represented the Illuminati. Well the movie got a reference in another session, this time in connection with reincarnation matters:
If this is true for Laura and co, it may be just as true for our heavily STS orientated Illuminati friends as well and, if some of them have the benefit of remembering their past/future lives, this again would give them a huge advantage in fulfilling their current life mission.
