How are you feeling?

I feel that this situation has no solution in terms of whether to give or not to give, because both options lead me to a bad feeling.
Maybe this situation was meant to bring up an unresolved emotional issue from the past, so that by being with it and doing whatever works for you it can be healed and let go of. It may also be about beliefs of what being a good person means. Where did those beliefs come from and are they actually true?
 
I was contemplating the thread subject and reflected on how angry and frustrated I was with the state of humanity (heads stuck in the sand - and not wanting to deal with truth or reality). These people can't be helped, or saved. They'll just be destroyed (or recycled?) because they chose ignorance over reality. They were given a test and they failed it. They also let others make decisions for them. To me, that's the path to ruin.

Is it worth the effort to try and help them, only to see them destroy themselves, or say: "Why are you telling me this? I'm happy with my illusions and pretend reality". I'm not sure. Many times I don't think it's worth it.

There's the Bible verse about the Truth "setting people free", but there's more to it than that. If you're constantly asking permission to do, say, of be a certain way, then you're not free either. I put it in my signature and it ended up rhyming..... :shock: :lol: :shock:
 
Is it worth the effort to try and help them, only to see them destroy themselves, or say: "Why are you telling me this? I'm happy with my illusions and pretend reality". I'm not sure. Many times I don't think it's worth it.

In my experience it's not worth even trying. I have had exchanges with former friends (!) about political and metaphysical matters a lot, and it's always ended up badly. A few of the guys I've talked with exploded with a strange anger, accusing me of being an extremist, and of being arrogant. And these were successful, intelligent people. The irony being that it was these very people who were displaying arrogance, in that they turned immediately hostile the moment I chose to disagree with them on fundamental points. I lost a number of decent friendships over my own mistakes in conversations in assuming they'd at the very least listen, but I discovered in retrospect that these were not real friends, because the moment I dared to disagree with them they turned hostile on me.

It reminds me of a point made by Gurdjieff when he said that there's a greater difference between individual human beings than there is between humans and their pets! I wrongly assumed in my youthful folly that because me these folk were intelligent that they'd be willing to listen to an alternative point of view. A very big mistake on my part in retrospect. These days I keep a much lower profile, and I keep my opinions to myself. I don't think one can ever truly help another person to understand something new; they have to be looking for the answers themselves. Which makes sense, after all it's how I managed to make progress in my own understandings after years of frustration and struggle. I suppose we're all, each of us, on our own paths and trajectories, and the lessons are particular to each individual.
 
Is it worth the effort to try and help them
Unbekoming addressed this issue in an article today.
The article was about Plato's Cave as it pertains to the medical mafia. First it described the "loving mother" who did "all the right things" (C-section, vaccines, doctor visits) until everything the medical mafia did ended up badly. Then the mother started seeing what was going on, and she eventually saw through the scam and escaped the cave. What does she do now? Can she bring her friends and family out of the cave with her? The article made this statement:
The distinction between a torchbearer and a guide matters here more than anywhere. The torchbearer forces light on people who are not ready. The light damages rather than illuminates. The guide says: the path is here, when you are ready. The guide describes what they have seen without insisting others see it now. The guide knows that the adjustment takes time — that eyes accustomed to darkness need gradual exposure, that the pain of seeing is real, that the social cost is real, that the decision to look must belong to the person who looks. Allan Bloom, in his translation of The Republic, drew this distinction sharply: “The philosopher does not bring light into the cave, he escapes into the light and can lead a few to it; he is a guide, not a torchbearer.”

The pact is what every climber eventually makes with someone who remains inside. You will speak only when it matters. When you speak, they will trust you — even when the shadows say otherwise. You discover that your highest value is truth. They discover that theirs is connection. Neither value is wrong. The tension between them cannot be resolved. It can only be held — carefully, with respect, with the recognition that the person in the cave is not stupid and the person outside is not crazy.

This is the cost of seeing. Not the intellectual difficulty — that part, while painful, is finite. The cost is relational. It is the distance that opens between you and everyone who has not looked. It is the particular loneliness of knowing something that the people you love cannot yet hear. The cave was built to make this cost as high as possible, because the architecture survives only as long as the social enforcement holds. Every relationship that survives the pact — every family that finds a way to hold truth and connection together — is a structural failure in the system.
 
In my experience it's not worth even trying. I have had exchanges with former friends (!) about political and metaphysical matters a lot, and it's always ended up badly. A few of the guys I've talked with exploded with a strange anger, accusing me of being an extremist, and of being arrogant.
That’s exactly what happened to me when a friend dumped me a year ago because I disagreed with her about A Course in Miracles. My fundamental disagreement was that fear is not the opposite of love. She exploded a tirade in a text message calling me arrogant. It was very unexpected as we talked about a lot of different topics and had varying ideas. This outburst also was an unusual level of anger and venom towards me specifically.

I think people don’t want to be confronted with reality. I keep recalling the image of Laura heaving books on the alien phenomenon at the wall when she was bedridden with back pain. I guess everyone has books to heave. I just don’t want to be the book.

Unless a person actually wants to know my thoughts, and have demonstrated open minded interest in trying to discern objective reality, I keep them to myself.
 
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Is it worth the effort to try and help them, only to see them destroy themselves, or say: "Why are you telling me this? I'm happy with my illusions and pretend reality". I'm not sure. Many times I don't think it's worth it.
It may also go against the free will decisions of others to try to help them without being asked in one way or another. People are where they are on their path and some are not ready yet.
 
Yeah, I recently had someone drop out of my life without much explanation. I think in part it was due to a disagreement we had about meat. This person was quite triggered by all the Epstein files material, and unfortunately made an equivalence in their mind with cannibalism of children and ALL meat-eating. This was connected with a pre-existing zeal for animal rights, which came from intense childhood experiences of family around hunting season. It came to a point when the person said they felt bad about eating chicken because they felt no different than the pedophile cannibals! Dear Lord. Somewhat alarmed, I asked if there was a difference between a child and chicken - and the answer was basically no! What the heck do you say to someone who's in such a tizzy that they can't tell the difference between a chicken and a child and are convinced they're some kind of monster every time they have lunch?!

I did what I could to share my perspective on meat, hunting, optimal human diets, 2D/3D/4D relations in the hierarchy of Being, gratitude and prayers for the animals we eat, and that all life entails killing and death, etc. We'd talked about a lot of that stuff before. But this person was convinced, as usual, based on feels. The feels were backed up by childhood experiences, exacerbated by the Epstein-revelations stress, and concern for a daughter. Not a lot one can do when you're approaching someone's sacred cow with all of that behind it. You never know what the sacred cow will be, but you can damn well be sure when you get near it with a different perspective! As I remember reading on the forum a long time ago, when people are presented with information that runs counter to their beliefs, it registers in the pain region of the brain. Motivated reasoning is a hard one for us human-shaped creatures to break - myself included. Though reality will continue to our slaughter sacred cows, even moreso now as the shield-wall of normalcy bias begins to fail more and more.

The conversation ended well enough, with an agreement to disagree, but since then I haven't really heard from my friend and the connection has dwindled down to pretty much nothing. It's sad, as this person meant a lot to me and there was a lot of alignment in many other ways. I also feel sad sometimes that it's so rare to find someone who's developed a truly open mind... someone who's willing to make a BBQ out of their sacred cows!
 
The conversation ended well enough, with an agreement to disagree, but since then I haven't really heard from my friend and the connection has dwindled down to pretty much nothing. It's sad, as this person meant a lot to me and there was a lot of alignment in many other ways. I also feel sad sometimes that it's so rare to find someone who's developed a truly open mind... someone who's willing to make a BBQ out of their sacred cows!
I've noticed the same condition recently with a former workmate's, under the conditions of immigration and the COVID-19 vaccines in California.

My impression was that their information came from the deceptive MSN dialogue, which creates causation.

I can't judge their convictions; it is what it is. Parting ways for now respects their free will and perhaps includes praying for them, hoping that, over time, they will see the light.

Thanks, iamthatis, for sharing your experience.

Biblical Insights on Friendships

Betrayal for Selfishness: 2 Timothy 3:4 describes that in the last days, people will be treacherous, or "betrayers," as part of a general decay in moral character.

The Danger of Fools: Associating with foolish people leads to destruction, as their paths corrupt good character (Proverbs 13:20).

Guard Your Heart: Proverbs 12:26 advises that the righteous should choose their friends carefully, as the way of the wicked can lead them astray

Betrayal of Trust: The Bible explicitly warns, "Beware of your friends; do not trust anyone in your clan. For every one of them is a deceiver, and every friend a slanderer" (Jeremiah 9:4-5).

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It may also go against the free will decisions of others to try to help them without being asked in one way or another. People are where they are on their path and some are not ready yet.
The difficulty I have is being forced to live their reality right along with them (as well as suffering all of it's consequences). No-one asked me if that was what I wanted! Hence the level of frustration I have.

I simply don't have the freedom to disengage from their reality. I don't think anyone has. Maybe that's just a reflection of the society I am forced to exist in? It's not ideal.
 
The difficulty I have is being forced to live their reality right along with them (as well as suffering all of it's consequences). No-one asked me if that was what I wanted! Hence the level of frustration I have.

I simply don't have the freedom to disengage from their reality. I don't think anyone has. Maybe that's just a reflection of the society I am forced to exist in? It's not ideal.
Do you really have to live their reality though? Can’t you be there but not really there?
There’s a man who preaches the catholic bible around the town, when I run into him he asks if he can pray for me, tries to convince me to return to church (I’m baptised catholic) stampedes all over my beliefs when I say I don’t need a saviour and that I am a ‘son’ of god also, I find it quite entertaining for my own reasons and so does he- I think he’s mad and he thinks I am. I accept his blessings and prayers, I just tweak them in my thoughts as they arrive to me, and honestly it feels good to do that, it’s a common ground with uncommon beliefs so that’s where I meet him. We always hug and bid each other good day.
What I found most effective in being around people with such a wide array of perspectives, beliefs and opinions is to simply accept them and theirs as a face of God, it took me so long to get to this place. I used to love (and get high up on my horse on) a good old preaching that no one wanted to hear. Now I find common ground without giving anything that isn’t asked for, that means sometimes saying nothing at all, but mostly I ask questions and just add little prompts that may or may not apart a light somewhere inside someone. It’s not my job to do anything else, and really, I don’t care that much if I do or don’t.

Getting annoyed is a big energy drain, I suppose we could see everyone as teeny tiny petty tyrants, it’s so rare to find anyone with the same core values and knowledge as us, even here with our own kind we differ so vastly, that’s the beauty, we all being something a little different to the table.

Finding myself pretty hilarious in all my own silliness and misgivings is also helpful to not get do annoyed at others (or myself). To put it kindly towards me, I’ve genuinely been the biggest knob I know, and that’s because I’ve been watching me for all these years and can see many of the stupid things I’ve thought and done (and still do) l, I don’t have this inside knowledge on anyone else, so how the hell can I judge them?
 
The difficulty I have is being forced to live their reality right along with them (as well as suffering all of it's consequences). No-one asked me if that was what I wanted! Hence the level of frustration I have.

I simply don't have the freedom to disengage from their reality. I don't think anyone has. Maybe that's just a reflection of the society I am forced to exist in? It's not ideal.
I get extremely annoyed/angry at the state of it all as well. One of the most effective methods I have used personally is remembering that the C's said that "most of the good people are dead", so I try not to take it too seriously(which isn't easy). It seems to me like the STS nature of humanity is being embellished by the wave, things are getting more primitive, more divisive, more pathological.. and I would definitely bet on it continuing down this road for the time being, I also think the tightening of resources is having a major effect on people worldwide. When you factor in how many different ways the PTB utilize technology and information to obfuscate the truth, sometimes I think that people are just not capable of dealing with it and maybe they aren't even supposed to be.

We have been extremely lucky having found access to the transcripts. I am sure many of us were already seeking before we stumbled upon them, and perhaps some of us would have been able to pull back the distorted layers and found objectivity in our own ways without the transcripts, but they have been an integral tool in helping to understand whats going on here. Imagine you had never been able to read any of them? I can't really say where I would be, but I know for a fact I wouldn't have as strong an understanding of things as I do now.

At this point I am wondering if whether or not all the terrible things happening, to children especially, isn't just some way of the universe to filter bad karma from peoples past lives, and other things like that. I can look at it from a universal point of view and understand why these harsh lessons are a necessity in the evolution of self, but living in it is extremely exhausting.

The narrative being played out by the establishment, which is echoed by the soulless/brainwashed, is definitely breaking. People are becoming more aware, it probably seems slow to someone who knows what a 4th Density Reptilian is, I know it does for me.. But I try to remain hopeful.

I look at things like whats going on in Ireland, the galvanization of the people against their rotten governments, all of the whistleblowers coming forward, the push back towards the globalists, etc... All of these things are symptoms of people who are waking up and they aren't happy with the circumstances.

I think things like farmers are going to stop producing food, militia's formed by the working class will rise up to deal with criminals(and maybe eventually governments), people will stop paying taxes and take on massive debt that they have no intention of paying off, a lot of migration to places that seem less infected by this virus, things will get more secular and micro communities will start springing up, crime will increase exponentially as people's ability to feed themselves is taken away from them, surveillance will increase, military intervention will be tried(perhaps successfully), dissenters will be thrown in jail with no trials, politicians will vote themselves in to even more power to try and gain even more control, there will be attacks on the rich/elite, can definitely see racial tensions explode, etc etc. I think as time goes on they will realize more and more that the world they want to create for us is not going to happen without serious paradigm shifts/resistance.

The C's mentioned a revolution where both sides take heavy losses. I have come to terms with the fact that if that is in my future I am more than willing to participate and more than willing to die doing so.. I know it all sounds kind of cliche, farfetched.. But I personally don't see it going any other way. This entire corrupt empire needs to be gutted and removed, these parasites need to be dealt with and the further they try to strip us of all our rights, the harder they try to squeeze us in to submission, the more pissed off people are going to get.

One of the things I see a lot, and this is probably because the true nature of these things is still unknown to the masses, is the nature of the OP's/Psychopaths that have the levers of society in their hands. People will attempt to decipher their behavior with a lens of humanity over them.. as though they are capable of reason, capable of understanding empathy, capable of understanding the struggle of their subjects, as though if they just understood a point of view, they would all of the sudden make changes for the betterment of us. This is why I laugh at Elon Musks theory of "high income for everybody", the idea is absolutely ludicrous.

Nope, I think its all going to come down to good old violence. As it always has. The tensions people have right now in the streets at these protests, its a powder keg ready to blow. No amount of protesting seems to be doing anything, maybe something like a general strike would have some kind of effect if it starts to hit their bottom line's, but at this point I am pretty sure anybody that high up the ladder can pretty much just create money out of thin air or steal it from the tax payer.

We have comical levels of malevolent characters in pretty much all positions of power across the world, even if there are people in power who want to make any changes, they get threatened by the machine. To me, that means its either we fight them, or we let them create their clownish hellscape and do nothing about it.

Thats some of the stuff I've been thinking about recently anyways.. Could very well be wrong.
 
I agree with most of what you said but I just wanted to point out that this:
The C's mentioned a revolution where both sides take heavy losses. I have come to terms with the fact that if that is in my future I am more than willing to participate and more than willing to die doing so.. I know it all sounds kind of cliche, farfetched.

Is likely to be something engineered against us and to avoid participating in.

But I personally don't see it going any other way.
Might be best to keep your mind open to all possibilities, and try to avoid black and white thinking.
This entire corrupt empire needs to be gutted and removed, these parasites need to be dealt with and the further they try to strip us of all our rights, the harder they try to squeeze us in to submission, the more pissed off people are going to get.

Maybe so, but that's going to require a lot more people to stop participating in their schemes including conflicts, revolutions or stampedes of any kind. We can resist, but I think the real cleansing is something we have to allow to unfold naturally. It's not for us to determine what is permitted or to remove anything from this place.
 
How is everyone managing their free time since things started to escalate in Iran?

How much is too much when it comes to keeping up with what’s going on?

There’s a part of me that says, “give it a break and spend some time doing other things,” but I want to keep up to speed on everything.

I’m guessing it’s the same for everyone else here, too.
There’s one thing that recharges me every day: the beauty of nature, of the Earth. This connection with Mother Nature fills me with enough strength to face the state of the world with wisdom. I often tell myself that what I would miss most in 5D is the sun and the blue sky, but right after that I tell myself that they also exist—and more intensely—in 4D and 5D. So everything is fine.
 
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