Genocide in Canada: The Untold story

CarpeDiem

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"Unbelievers deserve not only to be separated from the Church, but also... to be exterminated from the World by death."
Thomas Aquinas (Summa Theologica, 1271).
True Believers, on the contraty, are honoured and remembered, their names are immortified in US cities names...

Jeffrey Amherst and Smallpox Blankets
http://www.umass.edu/legal/derrico/amherst/lord_jeff.html
On April 10, 1818, the Town of Amherst was officially created by an Act of the Senate of the State of New York. This new town was named for Sir Jeffrey Amherst, an English lord who was Commander-in-Chief of the British troops in America in 1758-1763, before the American Revolution. King George III rewarded Lord Amherst by giving him 20,000 acres in New York, but Lord Amherst never visited his new lands. [From: A Brief History of the Town of Amherst, (Amherst Museum, 1997)
Colonel Henry Bouquet in his letter to General Amherst, dated 13 July 1763, suggested in a postscript the distribution of blankets to "inocculate the Indians"; Amherst in his letter to Colonel Henry Bouquet, dated 16 July 1763, approved plan in a postscript and suggested as well as "to try Every other method that can serve to Extirpate this Execrable Race." (This postcript spans two pages.) These letters also discuss the use of dogs to hunt the Indians, the so-called "Spaniard's Method," which Amherst approves in principle, but says he cannot implement because there are not enough dogs. In a letter dated 26 July 1763, Bouquet acknowledges Amherst's approval and writes, "all your Directions will be observed."
There is a letter from Bouquet to Amherst, dated 23 June 1763, three weeks before the discussion of blankets to the Indians, stating that Captain Ecuyer at Fort Pitt (to which Bouquet would be heading with reinforcements) has reported smallpox in the Fort. This indicates at least that the writers knew the plan could be carried out.
Several other letters from the summer of 1763 show the smallpox idea was not an anomaly. The letters are filled with comments that indicate a genocidal intent, with phrases such as:
'...that Vermine ... have forfeited all claim to the rights of humanity' (Bouquet to Amherst, 25 June)
'I would rather chuse the liberty to kill any Savage....' (Bouquet to Amherst, 25 June)
'...Measures to be taken as would Bring about the Total Extirpation of those Indian Nations' (Amherst to Sir William Johnson, Superintendent of the Northern Indian Department, 9 July)
'...their Total Extirpation is scarce sufficient Attonement....' (Amherst to George Croghan, Deputy Agent for Indian Affairs, 7 August)
'...put a most Effectual Stop to their very Being' (Amherst to Johnson, 27 August [292k]; emphasis in original).


Genocide in Canada: The Untold Story
by Kevin Annett Sunday, Dec. 31, 2006 at 5:40 PM
http://www.hiddenfromhistory.org

'I believe the conditions are being deliberately created in our Indian boarding schools to spread infectious disease. The death rate often exceeds fifty percent. This is a national crime.'
Dr. Peter Bryce, Chief Medical Officer, Department of Indian Affairs, April 15, 1907

'Then he kicked her. She went rolling down the stairs. She just lay there. She wasn't moving; she wasn't breathing. I see that all the time.'
Harriett Nahanee, eyewitness to the murder of Maisie Shaw, age 14, by Alberni Indian Residential School Principal Alfred Caldwell on December 24, 1946

The chief American Prosecutor at the Nuremburg Trials, Robert Jackson, claimed that under a regime that practiced genocide and mass murder, the oral testimonies of the survivors of that genocide are sufficient evidence to indict its perpetrators, since such a regime will never admit its culpability or provide written records to prove that the crimes occurred.
In Jackson's words,

'Any civilized nation must be willing to accept the truth found within the shattered lives of the survivors of crimes against humanity ... Their accounts are the ultimate evidence that must be placed on the scales of justice.' (November 3, 1946)

Since December 18, 1995, hundreds of eyewitnesses to crimes of mass murder and genocide in Indian Residential Schools across Canada have come forward publicly to accuse the government of Canada and the Roman Catholic, Anglican and United Church of every act defined as Genocide under the United Nations' 1948 Convention on Genocide, which Canada ratified in 1952. And yet, since that date, not a single person has been indicted or jailed for any of these crimes, despite the fact that, according to the Canadian government's own records, over 50,000 aboriginal children died while in the residential schools between 1895 and 1984.

Quite simply, the churches and government of Canada have gotten away with mass murder.

For the past twelve years, I have had the honour of assisting many aboriginal people who survived the residential school nightmare to record their stories, gather their courage, and confront their torturers in what is surely the greatest David and Goliath struggle in Canadian history. Unfortunately, in this case, Goliath seems to have won.

Over the past several years, the Canadian government and churches that killed so many innocent children in their residential schools have absolved themselves of their crimes by redefining the entire issue as a matter of monetary “compensation" to the survivors rather than their own criminal liability. Adolf Hitler would have done no less had he won World War Two and held an “inquiry" into the fate of Jews in Europe. But in typically Canadian fashion, this reinventing of history to suit the needs of the perpetrators has meant that there is no actual redress possible for aboriginal survivors of genocide, despite the mountains of “healing and reconciliation" rhetoric being pumped out of the public relations machines of church and state in Canada.

Let me give you one example of the fraud being perpetrated on aboriginal people, and the Canadian public, by this system of cover-up and denial.

William Combes is the English name of a fifty two year old interior Salish man who was held prisoner in the Catholic residential schools in Kamloops and Mission, BC for eleven years of his childhood. In 1963, at the age of nine, William was tortured on a rack by a priest named Brother Murphy at the Kamloops school after he took some fruit from a neighbouring orchard one night, after having not eaten for two days. In the same orchard, William and another boy had witnessed the same priest bury the bodies of children who had died in the school. Sodomized every day for years, flogged, his joints dislocated, William spent years in prison for minor offences.

Today, William is a homeless man in Vancouver, suffers from severe post-traumatic stress disorder, and is a recovering drug addict and alcoholic. And yet he has received not a penny in aid or compensation from either of the organizations that ruined his life, the Canadian government and the Roman Catholic church.

Since 1989, William has tried to win legal recognition of his torture in the residential school system, to no avail. Like most residential school victims, his case has been sidelined and ignored, while lawyers profit from his suffering. And, contrary to the government's claim that every residential school survivor will be rewarded $10,000 without conditions, William was recently informed that he was not eligible for even this paltry sum because his claims against Brother Murphy and others could not be “verified" .

Last month, at the downtown eastside cafe where we meet and talk, William told me that since September, five of his aboriginal friends have either committed suicide or died of diabetes. They were all under the age of fifty, and had gone to the Kamloops residential school with him. And not one of them had ever received a penny of compensation or a day in court.

William and his deceased friends are typical of most of the residential school survivors across Canada: alone, impoverished, diseased, and dying at a rate of five to ten every day, they are the dwindling reminder of the worst crime in human history: the extermination of aboriginal nations in the New World at the hands of Christian Europe. And yet most of “Canada" carries on, oblivious to their fate, and hoping that they, like the uncomfortable fact of what we did and still do to them, will simply fade away.

And yet, as Robert Jackson observed, the fact of their testimonies remains as the “ultimate evidence" that indicts a genocidal system we like to call “western civilization" : a system that continues to despoil the land and ravage the lives of those without money, property or influence, like most aboriginal people, who remain prisoners in their own land.

Voltaire once wrote that all that we owe to the dead is the truth. In that sense, the only thing that Euro-Canadians can do in relation to aboriginal people is to fully disclose the truth, and be held personally accountable for the effects, of the residential school crimes. And yet that is the one thing that we are unwilling to do.

For example, the churches that ran these schools continue to refuse to open their records or identify the buried location of the tens of thousands of children who died in them. Normally, a mass murderer would be compelled to say what he did with his victims' bodies, but when the perpetrator is a clergyman or employee of a Christian church, a frightening sort of immunity from prosecution has allowed such murder to go unpunished.

This is not surprising, when one considers how the churches' chief partner in crime, the government of Canada, has dutifully passed legislation that absolves the Catholics, Anglicans and United Church from any liability for the residential school crimes, and even lays the burden of the legal expenses of these churches on Canadian taxpayers! Now, every tax paying family in Canada will personally aid these churches in avoiding any responsibility for murders and other crimes they committed on generations of innocent children.

Despite this sorry charade, and the real despair felt by most residential school survivors today, truth and international law are on the side of the survivors. Canada has already been condemned at the United Nations for its genocide of native people, and Cuba, Iran, and Guatemala recently tabled a motion to have Canada tried for crimes of genocide. Thanks to the work and the publications of our Truth Commission into Genocide in Canada, including a just-released documentary film on the subject entitled “Unrepentant" , many people and groups around the world are becoming aware of the crimes committed by Canada and its churches against indigenous people.

The question now becomes, when and how will Canada and its mainline churches be brought to justice?

If the problem lies not in the stars, but in ourselves, as William Shakespeare observed, so too does the solution. Every Canadian citizen has the moral duty and the necessity under international law to refuse to patronize or fund any institution that committed and is concealing crimes against humanity, like the government itself, and the Catholic, Anglican and United Church of Canada. It's up to each of us to withhold all money from these churches, and even from the government, until they are held accountable for their crimes against aboriginal people.

But on a deeper level, we need to undo the ideas, the economics, and the practices that caused this genocide in the first place - assuming we are even capable of recognizing these evils in our nature, and overcoming them.

Before she died suddenly in January of 2004, my friend Virginia Baptiste of the Osoyoos Nation said to me,

“I don't expect you white people to drag yourselves into court for what you did to us. You sterilized my relatives, you murdered my brother Bugs, you beat my cousin to death at the Cranbrrok school. You've gotten away with it, for now. But there's a higher judge you all have to answer to, even if you don't believe it. You can see that judgement already in the dying rivers and the global warming and the rising suicides among your own children. You were really killing off yourselves, not us, by your genocide, because we'll always be here, but your way is going to fade and die. And then once it's gone, you may finally learn what your own teacher Jesus tried to show you but which you forgot, that his kingdom isn't in this world, it isn't about churches and money and who's got the power. It may take you all dying for you to finally learn that."

Let us act now, while there is still time.

2 documentaries have been released recently on genocide of native Indians in Canada:
UNREPENTANT by Kevin Annett
UNREPENTANT is many things, but for me it is a mirror, held up to my own Euro-Canadian culture and people. In the time left to us, we need to accept the image that stares back at us as what we have become. As I have so often done when presiding at the funeral of friends and others, I am counselling and speaking to the dying in this film: to the members of a collapsing culture whose ways are causing their own planetary self-destruction in the wake of their extermination of millions of indigenous people.

I hope the terrible irony of this situation will not be lost on the viewers of UNREPENTANT, conditioned as many of us "white" people are in the role of ruler, judge and ultimate "fixer" of any problem. The truth is, we have no solution to our own demise, any more than we can handily "heal" the genocidal horror we unleashed and still inflict on aboriginal people. For that horror has never been halted, but has turned back upon us in the unstoppable fury of global ecocide, and is devouring the air we breathe and the land we cling to.

In that sense, UNREPENTANT is not about setting anything right, ultimately, for it's much too late for that. Imagine a chapel filled with people come to mourn a dead stranger, only to discover that they are all about to die, and you will begin to sense the deeper meaning of this film.

Before he was killed by a landowner's death squad, a defrocked Guatemalan priest once led me through a refugee camp filled with sick and starving people. When I asked him what I could do to help them, he said,

"Nothing. Stop thinking you can help, and you may learn something."

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/7-1-27/51050.html
Documentary Exposes Ugly Secret of Colonialism in Canada
By Joan Delaney
A hard-hitting documentary that made its debut at the Gabriola Island Film Festival last weekend dwells on a theme that would surprise and shock most Canadians: Canada's genocide.
Even the words sound strange. Who knew that a genocide lurked within Canada's relatively civilized history?
According to Kevin Annett, co-writer and producer of Unrepentant: Kevin Annett and Canada's Genocide , the time has come for Canadians to learn the truth about what really happened to the aboriginal people from the start of colonialism until today.
It's not a pretty story. Unrepentant documents the "deliberate and systematic extermination" of non-Christian indigenous people within the Indian residential school system by the Catholic, United, Presbyterian and Anglican churches, in collusion with the federal government.
The film, which made its American debut last November at the New York Independent Film and Video Festival where it won Best Director of an International Documentary, is based on Annett's groundbreaking book, "Hidden From History: The Canadian Holocaust." Unrepentant will also be screened at various film festivals around the world.
"We want to generate international pressure on Canada and the churches to start to have full disclosure about what went on so that there can be some healing; real healing can only happen when there's been that kind of complete disclosure," Annett told The Epoch Times from his home in Nanaimo on Vancouver Island.
First-hand testimonies from residential school survivors are interwoven with Annett's own story of how, as a United Church minister in Port Alberni, he was fired, publicly defrocked, and had his reputation maligned by church officials after he uncovered evidence of murder and other crimes committed by the church through its Indian boarding schools.
Around 1929, the churches were given legal guardianship of all the children who attended the schools, and Annett says this gave school staff free rein to perpetrate any atrocity upon their wards without having to answer to anyone.
The list of crimes is long, and includes beatings, electric shocks, forced sterilization, medical experimentation, starvation, rape as well as various other forms of sexual abuse, and murder.
As the residential school survivors in Unrepentant tell their stories, the pain evident on their stoic faces, an understanding of what went on in those institutions gradually emerges.
Some spoke of young girls becoming pregnant as a result of rape, or nuns becoming pregnant after sexually abusing boys; some described being made to dig graves for the babies who would be killed after birth.
Rick Lavalee talked about hearing the agonized cries of his only brother as he was being tortured with a cattle prod. The boy died on the spot. Belvy Breber recounted how her brother was hanged in the gym of the Kuper Island school. She was told he'd committed suicide, but she didn't believe it. While the boy was still hanging, the other kids were paraded through the gym as a warning that this could happen to them if they didn't behave.
Of the 100,000 who went through the schools, it is estimated that at least 50,000 were killed. Many of those who died were buried in unmarked graves on or around the school grounds; most of the bodies were never returned to the families.
Harriet Nahanee, who spent five years at the Alberni Residential School, said she remembered the RCMP arriving at her village in a gunboat to round up the children who were to be taken to the school. Children as young as three were often taken even though the schools weren't supposed to accept anyone under the age of seven.
If the parents fought this abduction of their children, they were liable to be arrested under the provisions of the Indian Act, something Annett calls "a piece of race-based legislation" in that it almost completely took away the rights of the native peoples.
Germ warfare was also used. Narrator Lori O'Rorke said deliberately-spread smallpox epidemics in the 1700s and 1800s killed "untold millions" of the world's indigenous people and wiped out many Canadian aboriginals even before the residential schools began operating. Annett says approximately 98 percent of native populations on the west coast were decimated by smallpox.
Survivors in Unrepentant describe how, during a tuberculosis outbreak, they were made to play and sleep with infected children so that they too would become infected with the highly contagious disease.
While most of the schools had closed by 1984, the last federally run facility, the Gordon Residential School in Saskatchewan, closed in 1996.
The legacy of Canada's residential schools, says Annett, is evident in the high rates of suicide, substance abuse and poverty seen in aboriginal communities across the country. He believes he can help change this by "raising an awareness of what actually happened here and the long-term effects it's having on aboriginal people."
"The aboriginal people need recognition and to be treated with dignity and respect, and that's not happening right now. Anyone who's been abused in any way needs the crime to be recognized and named, and it really hasn't been."

HOPING AGAINST HOPE

Hoping Against Hope? The Struggle Against Colonialism in Canada
by Kim Peterson Wednesday, Mar. 07, 2007 at 12:24 PM
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Mar07/Petersen05.htm
Review of a three-part audio documentary series, Hoping Against Hope? The Struggle Against Colonialism in Canada -- produced by Praxis Media Productions and the Nova Scotia Public Interest Research Group, which examines the current reality of colonialism in Canada.
“No nation has a right to denationalize another nation." -- Kahentinetha Horn


On 24 July 1534, the French explorer Jacques Cartier landed at Baie de Gaspé on territory inhabited by the Haudenosaunee. The French erected a large cross there and Cartier claimed possession of the land in the name of the French king François I. When confronted by the Haudenosaunee, Cartier lied and said the cross was merely a navigational marker. [1] Later, Cartier was guided to the village (kanata) of Stadacona (present day Québec City) by two Haudenosaunee youths. Cartier designated the entire region north of the St. Lawrence River as “Canada." Canada is a colonizer’s designation that came to encompass a massive swath of Turtle Island, where a nation state was born on hundreds of nations already existing across the breadth of what is now called Canada.

A three-part audio documentary series, Hoping Against Hope? The Struggle Against Colonialism in Canada (HH) -- produced by Praxis Media Productions and the Nova Scotia Public Interest Research Group, examines the current reality of colonialism in Canada.

HH notes that Indigenous communities throughout Canada are “beset with record levels of suicide, high infant mortality rates, rampant sexual exploitation, epidemic levels of gas-sniffing, and alcohol, drug and solvent abuse. Furthermore there is an over-representation of indigenous people in the prison system, and chronic levels of desperate poverty."

Most societal explanations blame the Original Peoples. Dr. Roland Chrisjohn, a Onyota’a:ka (Oneida) from the Haudenosaunee Confederacy and the Director of Native Studies at St. Thomas University in Fredericton, disagrees.

He asks people to imagine what would have happened if the World War II Holocaust had never stopped. A horrific answer stems from the Holocaust suffered by the Original Peoples of the western hemisphere. [2]

What was the reason this holocaust happened?

Historian Michael Parenti states that colonization of the “New World" was an extension of the economic colonization that had already occurred in Eastern Europe. But colonization is much more.

Chrisjohn explains,

Colonialism is not just the theft of territory, and populating it with new settlers and their way of life. It also involves the destruction of the social, political, and economic institutions of the original inhabitants.

Since many Indigenous nations were crucial allies of the English the during the colonial wars they cannot be said to be conquered. Thus, Canada was left with the problem of how to steal Indigenous land by other means.

The solution to the Indian Problem became a reduction of those who were “officially" considered “Indian." The Indian Act came into existence in 1876, nine years after Canada morphed from a British colony into a country, superseding over 600 sovereign indigenous nations.

The Indian Act imposed a colonial form of government in place of traditional indigenous government with a band council system.

Unsurrendered Territory

Since most of Canada is unceded territory, legally, there is no right to implement laws over the still sovereign Original Peoples. Bear Nicholas points out that, in the maritime provinces, most treaties were nation-to-nation agreements -- peace agreements between the encroaching settlers and Original Peoples. They were not land treaties.

Says Chrisjohn,

Nova Scotia is not surrendered territory. Canada has no right to write Canada across Nova Scotia, to collect taxes from the people who inhabit the land, cut down trees, to allocate natural resources, to pollute water in Nova Scotia. At least 90% of Quebec is not surrendered territory. About 75% of Ontario is not surrendered territory. The status of the Prairie treaties, which do appear to be surrenders are questionable on two bases; One, The Indians have no memory of land surrender being raised… And there is actually documented evidence of the people who were signing the treaties as saying: “Ha! Ha! We put one over on the Indians. We didn’t tell them what they were actually signing. We mistranslated it!" Or John Macleen is a really great one for that, he says; “the people we wanted to sign the surrender wouldn’t, so we found some other people, liquored them up and declared them the Chief and tribal council and got them to sign it!" In a fair court, how much would hold up? So the status of the real surrendered land is still questionable. Seventy-five percent of British Columbia is not ceded territory; only the far Northeastern arm it’s covered by Treaty 8 in Alberta may be surrendered territory. The Yukon Territory is not ceded territory. Where did Canada get the right to write ‘Canada’ across that? When you add it all up, about 90 percent of Canada. Even under the best possible scenario -- there is no legal transfer of title from the Aboriginal inhabitants to the Crown.

Hiding Genocide

The crimes against Original Peoples demand reparations, the return of what has been stolen, and atonement. How to avoid this? Bear Nicholas details the method: genocide. A bounty was offered for the scalps of Original Peoples.

It was state sanctified violence that has mainly been purged from Canadian history textbooks, a process Bear Nicholas calls “historicide."

As well as disappearing the history, there has been an attempt to disappear the people. Keetowah Cherokee and professor of American Indian Studies at the University of Boulder, Colorado, Ward Churchill states, “There’s a whole sort of revitalized eugenics movement going on now… How many parts Indian are you?�

Chrisjohn warns,

By accepting this genetic determinism for race, look at what we do to ourselves. There are all kinds of First Nations people or Indigenous people that we deny a relationship to on the basis that well, they haven’t met some other kind of race-based litmus test for inclusion as one of us. “Oh, the Métis? Well, you know the Métis they’re not really Indians."

According to Bear Nicholas, neocolonialism is assimilation.

There are aspects of colonialism that people will talk about as very overt, open kinds of colonial behaviour on the part of say, provincial governors or people in control, but they don’t realize that when our own people have accepted jobs, have become part of their system, there’s this sense that somehow we’re doing the best in an impossible situation as prisoners in a jail might react. We need to get the best for each other by cooperating, by working with them, by doing their bidding and perhaps, if a few of us can “get ahead" then maybe that will spread to the rest of us and we’ll be better off; we’ll be fed, we’ll have houses, we’ll be taking care of our basic needs. But in fact, one of our biggest struggles today is the issue of our own people accepting jobs and basically working with the opposition.

HH narrates “plenty of examples of genocide against Aboriginal people by the Canadian state; from bounties for scalps to the forced sterilization of Native women. Residential schooling is a poignant example of assimilation as a form of genocide."

According to HH, this genocide remains concealed because Canadians and the Canadian state benefit from it.

The Canadian government and the churches have been evading responsibility for their crimes, focusing instead on healing Native people rather than providing justice. Somehow, it is the victims of genocide who are the sick ones, not the perpetrators. When genocide is brought up, it’s denied.

Laments Chrisjohn, “The crime of genocide is being covered up. Now it’s a double crime. People who didn’t commit the first crime are committing the second."

Schools are complicit in the assimilation of Original Peoples. Bear Nicholas says,

The public schools are being run according to an ideology based in capitalism. An ideology that is actually alien to our own way of life, our own forms of life -- it’s very blatant that education is being used in this direction. So that, when we say that sending our children to school is harmless and benign, we as aboriginal people don’t even realize how seriously not benign that school program is. The subtle things (of teaching such things as entrepreneurialism) are actually antithetical and destructive of our way of life and there is a sense that all people, in order to survive in the modern world need to not only know that entrepreneurialism is good and is useful and is fine, but that our people need to understand how much of an assault on our form of life, if our children are being taught to think of number one, themselves only… Where’s our community?

While the capitalist ideology of possessive individualism was alien to the Original Peoples, that is not to say that they did not engage in trade. [3] Concomitant with capitalist indoctrination is cultural extinction. In particular, the death of Indigenous languages: linguicide -- a term coined by University of Roskilde linguist Tove Skuttnab-Kangas.

According to Bear Nicholas, “Linguicide … carries with it the idea that the languages that we speak, indigenous peoples around the world, are not just dying out by some sort of natural force that happens to every minority language, but that there’s an actual deliberateness, there’s actually agency involved.

Bear Nicholas argues that to preserve Indigenous languages, the Original Peoples must receive their education in their own tongue.

Jeanette Armstrong of the Penticton Indian Band in British Columbia argues,

You have the right to save yourself from an impending doom. You have not only the right, but perhaps the obligation as human beings in this world to act with other human beings, your relatives in this world to preclude this future from occurring for you and us alike.

“I am hoping," says Chrisjohn, “hoping against hope, that the average Canadian will read what their Government did in their name to human beings… what their churches did to human beings in their name, because their churches are not telling them. The government is not telling them. They will not allow the word genocide to come up in discussion."
 
“I don't expect you white people to drag yourselves into court for what you did to us. You sterilized my relatives, you murdered my brother Bugs, you beat my cousin to death at the Cranbrrok school. You've gotten away with it, for now. But there's a higher judge you all have to answer to, even if you don't believe it. You can see that judgement already in the dying rivers and the global warming and the rising suicides among your own children. You were really killing off yourselves, not us, by your genocide, because we'll always be here, but your way is going to fade and die. And then once it's gone, you may finally learn what your own teacher Jesus tried to show you but which you forgot, that his kingdom isn't in this world, it isn't about churches and money and who's got the power. It may take you all dying for you to finally learn that."

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Part of my genetic heritage is Native American. My father's family were Anishnabe...or Chippewa/Ojibwa...from the Keweenaw Bay area of Northern Michigan. I grew up hearing horrific stories concerning my relatives, some of whom were taken away from their parents and shipped off to Indian schools in the US where they were physically, mentally, and sexually abused by the persons in charge.

I've read that relatives of Holocaust survivors feel shock, anger, guilt, depression, and even denial when confronted with the spoken, and sometimes unspoken, memories of the genocide. Well, three generations removed, my family still has difficulty dealing with the Indian school stories, due to the despicable, unspeakable (ah, that term!) evil that was done to children under the guise of discipline and racial integration.

One of the articles above states that the last school in Canada closed in 1996. Only eleven years ago! Perhaps the Canadian government will do what the US has done in the past two decades: Give 'em a casino and call it even. (I could write an entire book on what the casinos have really done to the native peoples, but that might upset those who have been led to believe it's fair compensation...including the victims themselves. To my way of thinking, casino compensation is just another type of genocide...more spiritual in form.)

I sense that part of our being here on this 3rd density earth is to learn to be wary of governments, religious institutions, and "humanitarian" organizations that coerce, forceably or via propaganda, whole groups of people into a state of being under the guise of help and easy solutions to their problems. The result of such "help" is always ugly and destructive in the end. And, yet, the wheel continues to turn.

My heart aches reading the quotes and stories from the articles above. I'm sure my Scots/Irish, Welsh, and French ancestors knew a thing or two about genocide on both the giving and receiving ends. I feel like the reporter who asked the defrocked Guatemalan priest what could he do to help and got this in reply:

"Nothing. Stop thinking you can help, and you may learn something."
 
... and of course, notwithstanding, the USA is also complicit of the same crimes.
And it continues, even to this day, in spite of the voluminous records of writ.
Justice will NEVER be given its victims, so long as the psychopaths remain in power.
 
NormaRegula said:
“I don't expect you white people to drag yourselves into court for what you did to us. You sterilized my relatives, you murdered my brother Bugs, you beat my cousin to death at the Cranbrrok school. You've gotten away with it, for now. But there's a higher judge you all have to answer to, even if you don't believe it. You can see that judgement already in the dying rivers and the global warming and the rising suicides among your own children. You were really killing off yourselves, not us, by your genocide, because we'll always be here, but your way is going to fade and die. And then once it's gone, you may finally learn what your own teacher Jesus tried to show you but which you forgot, that his kingdom isn't in this world, it isn't about churches and money and who's got the power. It may take you all dying for you to finally learn that."
Because of the surrounding quotation marks, I think this is a quote.
But I see no reference as to it’s origin.
My opinion, attitudes like that quote above accomplish nothing but fueling ill will.
I feel it takes ‘time’ to understand that we ‘ALL’ are in this boat together.
Pointing fingers at any group of people, accomplishes nothing.
For the most part, in this cyclical world, civilizations come and go.
With a little research one may perhaps find that history states that groups of people have banded together to commit genocide and/or at least subjugate others.
Through history on this BBM, the current PTB of that ‘time’ usually attempts to control, subjugate, or kill off anyone they need/want to.
Let’s take a quick look…
Whites have enslaved/killed people.
Blacks have enslaved/killed people.
Browns have enslaved/killed people.
Reds have enslaved/killed people.
Yellows have enslaved/killed people.
And if there are any Polka Dots, they would've, most likely have, enslaved/killed people.
I really don't see any signs of it stopping either...
An eye for an eye is no answer.
Where does the cycle of hate stop.?.?.?
 
Did you read the articles posted on this thread? Of course, it's a quote from an article above. A sad one, too. Read it carefully, again...after reading all of the above articles.

While I don't totally agree with the quote, (especially the part about global warming) I do understand where the person who said it is coming from. I also believe in karmic influences. Does the quote create ill will? I guess that depends on how you view the world and the evil in it. Ignorance begets vengeance. And vengeance begets death and destruction. It's a vicious cycle that most humans haven't been able to conquer.

Victims of evil (and, yes, there are victims, IMO) have a difficult time dealing with the pain. One can't say "get over it!" or tell them to forgive and send buckets of love and light to their tormentors, so that everything will be right. Sometimes, a little bit of justice...or acknowledgement...on the part of the government and religious institutions who perpetrated this horror would go a long way in terms of compensation, not to mention dispelling feelings of "ill will."

Perhaps, I misunderstand your upset with the quote. It is what it is. The person quoted is upset by what was done to her and her people. She is frustrated because justice...or truth...is being denied to her by persons in power. (The same could be said for the Iraqi's today, the Irish during the potato famine, the Armenians, the Ukrainians under Stalin, etc.) The fact that she perceives the real consequences of greed and power that may destroy all of humanity is what caught my interest. It's sad that she feels this way.

You personally may not be responsible for what happened to others in the past. However, you can learn from it...and try to understand why someone who was torn from their family at a young age would say and believe such things.
 
Al Today said:
My opinion, attitudes like that quote above accomplish nothing but fueling ill will.
I don't agree. The quote speaks of the pain of those who have suffered from the pathocracy. It also speaks of how this ponergenic disease might well destroy us. When I read it I didn't feel ill-will toward the writer of it, I felt sad that fellow human beings had to go through such suffering. It's not speaking of an eye for an eye but how the system that rules us may easily be our end if we ignore what it truly is.
 
Thanks for the article, Carpe Diem, and thanks NormaRegula for sharing your personal experience. It's good, even if painful, to be reminded of our cultural karma. It's so easy to forget how the people of today carry the cultural wounds of past generations, sometimes without even knowing it. I agree with Shane regarding the quote.
You were really killing off yourselves, not us, by your genocide, because we'll always be here, but your way is going to fade and die.
I think the above portion was spoken from a higher spiritual perspective. In fact, STO choices lead to BEING, while STS choices lead to the illusion of NON BEING.
 
NormaRegula said:
Did you read the articles posted on this thread?
Forgive me. I did not read the article in depth.
I have read, discussed, and seen so much of that schtuff that I just do not read everything in depth that crosses my path.
I do scan and I saw much of the same old, same old.
I am just weary of the pain.
I fear I am being desensitized and I apologize up front.
Please understand I am not saying that these items should not be brought to everyone’s attention.
For myself, I cannot understand any subject if I exist in ignorance.
NormaRegula said:
One can't say "get over it!"
Forgive me, but I do say ‘get over it’.
Some may dwell on a given subject to the point where the word obsession comes into play.
I’ve had to ‘get over’ many things in my life.
For myself, I call it ‘growth’.
NormaRegula said:
… or tell them to forgive and send buckets of love and light to their tormentors
No more quotes.
Sometimes am overcome by ‘something’, and my emotions get the best of me.
I just ‘feel’ a need to speak my mind.
If I am wrong, please let me know.
The results of my research, observations, sadness, happiness, pain, sorrow, and I think ‘spiritual’ clues, follow.
I have a nose, and I have an opinion.
I have no proof but here is my position.
I do live in an STS existence, on this BBM.
Perhaps I chose it?
I do not know if I was forced, or suckered into this.
But I ask myself, how can I be STO if I do not fully understand what life is like in the STS mode?
Yes, I do seem to want the STO lifestyle, but please refer to my previous statement.
The Cs have used the word ‘graduate’.
The analogies have been that this is some sort of class with lessons to learn.
What comes first anyway?
STO existence or STS existence?
Does that really matter, here and now?
All I do know, is that I am here.
Right ‘now’.
And, STS is here.
This BBM is an STS world.
Perhaps the more I learn of the properties, the mechanisms, and the experience of STS life, the sooner I can graduate.
I dunno, but I am trying to ‘get over it’…
 
Al - I guess that depends on what you mean by "get over". The devil is in the details. "Get Over" is synonymous with "overcome" - but exactly WHAT to overcome and how to overcome is highly important and such vital details cannot be overlooked, osit. Remember that "New Agers" are desperately trying to "get over" all the world's problems simply by declaring that the problems are "below them" or even better, "are not problems at all" - and so by not deeming them worthy of attention. Certainly, that's one way to "get over it" as it no longer bothers them at all, but is this wise?

It's not good to overcome or get over in the sense of disconnecting from the emotions that something evokes as New Agers tend to do. But what matters is towards what end you channel those emotions, what you DO as a result of your inability to just "get over it". Sometimes "get over it" is a representation of learning - like when you're upset at someone who revealed to you an uncomfortable truth and your ego is all upset about it. Getting over THAT can be a sign of progress and growth. But getting over other things (as above) can be a sign of psychopathy, or simply entropy and the direct opposite of growth.

The question is, what is the quoted person's gripe? Is it something that is good to get over? And in what way? I think the potential problem is channeling your gripe towards an ethnic group, not the fact that the gripe exists. It is clear that this world is ridiculously messed up, and good when someone realizes it and is bothered by it. And perhaps the quote is not really as literal as it may appear. I think he might be talking about the pathocracy without actually saying that word, as people sometimes do who simply don't know what to call "it". Some people refer to it as "the state" - and that doesn't necessarily mean government or a country or anything specific, but just the pathocracy itself and how it operates, and is best represented by the philosophies/tactics of "nation-states" as a whole.

Throughout history, various races are manipulated by the pathocracy into playing the role of "master race" - through which the pathocracy acts and does most of its deeds and abuses the world. Right now it just happens to be "white man", and I think the person being quoted may actually be referring to more than just white as ethnicity but the predominant culture which is currently focused through the white western world itself, and this "cult-ure" is the pathocracy. Similarly many people are pointing fingers at Israel as the creator of many of the world's ills - but some of them realize that this is not the source of the problem, just a main tool of the source, like the white man, like the US, etc.

I think if you think about "white man" (and ALL that this implies) in contrast to "other man" and the culture differences, that thinking process can lead to a some understanding that something is horribly wrong with "white man" and lead to a greater understanding of "the problem". Similarly, SOTT talks about Israel a lot. The main point is the pathocracy of course, but pointing out points of focus of the pathocracy is a very useful way to get "normal people" to understand the problem as a whole, it serves as a shock, just like reflecting on "white man" culture vs "others" can, if the reflection is deep enough, serve as a shock, and reveal the greater issue at hand, osit. But ironically, the shock only works IF the person is no longer able to "get over it". :P

Growth is getting over what needs to be gotten over, and not getting over what must never be gotten over, osit. The devil is in the details.

Hmm.. thinking about it, I think when someone says "white man" but really means "pathocracy", it is in fact the pathocracy that takes what that person said and advertises it in its literal meaning to avoid mass realisation of the greater problem. Which is actually why it's so important to have the right language, the right words, something that IS clearly defined and fits the situation. Saying "white man" and "the state" is not useful when the pathocracy will never allow any deeper meanings of those words to enter the mass awareness profile, and perhaps that's something that the person being quoted needs to understand, and the correction he might wanna make. Our language itself is adapted to hide the pathocracy.
 
Thanks ScioAgapeOmnis
I enjoy the eloquent writing I come across in the forum.
I fear I will always be a one liner kinda guy.
Open to misinterpretation, but I hope thought provoking…
I know I use the word ‘I’ excessively, but with no proof of anything, I can speak only for myself.

ScioAgapeOmnis said:
Al - I guess that depends on what you mean by "get over".
‘get over’ to me, is acceptance of the way things are, and ‘not to dwell’.
‘not to dwell’, to me, is not to allow the festering of helplessness/hopelessness.
Oh sure, I must be aware of a situation, but try to not let that situation control me.
There is much more than any one(1) situation.
I must allow myself to move on with life…

ScioAgapeOmnis said:
The question is, what is the quoted person's gripe?
I do not feel it was a gripe.
It was their opinion.
For myself, my opinions are fluid.
As new information comes in, views may be altered.
Every one of us is at different levels of knowledge with varying opinions/views/hypothesis.

ScioAgapeOmnis said:
Is it something that is good to get over? And in what way?
Up to an individual to choose to understand, move on, or fester in emotional distress.
Facts are facts until the emotion of hatred and revenge is noticeable.
If I stand on a train track, see that train coming, I will move aside for my survival.

ScioAgapeOmnis said:
Growth is getting over what needs to be gotten over, and not getting over what must never be gotten over, osit.
Do you mean something like:
I may forgive, but will never forget…
Or:
History ignored can be History that repeats.
 
A Today said:
I fear I will always be a one liner kinda guy.
Since you mention it, I find it difficult to read your posts. Do you speak in prose to people in everyday life? When you write like this, it doesn't feel like I'm hearing the real 'Al' but from someone who is performing. When you write one liners they also leave out the context of your thoughts. For example:

Al Today said:
I know I use the word ‘I’ excessively, but with no proof of anything, I can speak only for myself.
This doesn't make any sense to me. What is it in relation to? 'Proof of anything' in regards to what?

Much of the goal here is to reach real communication. Large segments of your writing, which have little to no context or elaboration of your thoughts, come across as noise. It seems you're at least partly aware of this as you write, "Open to misinterpretation." How much do you want to connect with others with this attitude? Are you fine with others not being ale to understand you - particularly in a forum with an aim to understand?

Your writing seems based mostly on internal consideration, or focused on yourself. Perhaps it would be a good exercise in external consideration to stop writing in a 'one liner' style. Someone once asked Gurdjieff what external consideration was. He replied that he was most comfortable to sit cross-legged in a chair. However, the group sat with their legs down and so out of external consideration he did too.

In external consideration we sacrifice the blockages of the personality which seek to comfort and perform so we can then touch something real and unique within that is truly able to connect with others.

Our writing style is just one expression of our personality, and nothing of the personality is close to what makes us really special. But the personality is our tool we can use to help reach and grow that creative uniqueness within and share it with others. But for that I think its necessary to make it uncomfortable from time to time so we can train it to be considerate to others.

I think it would be of benefit to you and others if you tried to write as others do.
 
I feel I have been unfairly criticized and I need to debate the issue.
criticism (n.) A critical comment or judgment.
I feel I have been judged, and have a need to talk with the court…
I am not a ‘new ager’ that spreads love and light.
Nor will I lie under someone’s car tire and be rocked over.
Well, here is some of the ‘real’ AL – today…

I consider this forum as a network.
The exchange of information is between peers.
I do not look for student/teacher situations.
I feel this is a self study class with an online discussion group.
Let us look at what I considered as criticism:

Shane said:
Do you speak in prose to people in everyday life?
Yes I do, when I feel no need to teach someone the meaning of what is said…
If asked, I try to explain.
We have never talked in person, now have we?

Shane said:
Large segments of your writing, which have little to no context or elaboration of your thoughts, come across as noise.
Actually, I’ve had some nice things said to me about being to the point, without rhetoric.
rhetoric (n.) The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.
rhetoric (n.) Skill in using language effectively and persuasively.
rhetoric (n.) A style of speaking or writing, especially the language of a particular subject: fiery political rhetoric.
I got outta the preaching business a long time ago.
Do I need to elaborate on that?
The answer lies within the forum, do the research and learn.
I will discuss my experiences, but I am not here to publish my life story.

Shane said:
When you write like this, it doesn't feel like I'm hearing the real 'Al' but from someone who is performing.
Is this an opinion?
I feel there are enough people here that do not need me to explain everything I say.
Nor am I gonna stand in front of the class and teach.
I do offer my life experience to help any way I can.
But I do not give them cake, I feel I offer an opportunity to think freely.

I am here if you have a question, but did you ask a question?

Shane said:
Much of the goal here is to reach real communication.
Could you please elaborate on just what ‘real communication’ is?
Oh grasshopper, do not throw rocks, because someone may throw them back…

I have learned that the application of knowledge is what matters.
And with experience, I feel comes wisdom.
I feel one cannot or will not gain true knowledge without application.


Shane said:
Someone once asked Gurdjieff what external consideration was. He replied that he was most comfortable to sit cross-legged in a chair. However, the group sat with their legs down and so out of external consideration he did too.
Quotes can continually be used out of context.
This may be taken a couple ways
Are manners being referenced?
Or perhaps conformity?

conformity (n.) Action or behavior in correspondence with socially accepted standards, conventions, rules, or laws: conformity to university regulations

And another thing.
Many quote others for some sort of validation, as proof perhaps.
I call this relying on others for proof, validation, perhaps blind faith.
Many can read, read, and read.
And enjoy being called learned.
But, how many truly understand what is read?
How many can really apply those newly obtained views and find the truth for themselves?
And I fear even fewer actually know and practise what they preach.
So forget about quoting Gurdjieff for a moment...
Can you speak for yourself?
I fell many post other's views and never really have anything to say for THEMSELVES.

Shane said:
I think it would be of benefit to you and others if you tried to write as others do.
Why should a person walk the same as others?
What if they have no legs?

Forgive me if I missed your need for elaboration, on what?
Did you ask?
We all have different talents.
Geeze, do I need to write a paper on this.?.?.?
Perhaps one noble goal is to get the sheeple to think for themselves?
Perhaps great knowledge comes from self discovery?
I ask when I have a question.
And when asked, I do my best to explain.

Shane said:
But for that I think its necessary to make it uncomfortable from time to time so we can train it to be considerate to others.
Let’s talk about this ‘elaboration of thoughts’.
Like I said, I do NOT look for student/teacher situations.
I am not here to teach you with multitudes of text.
I am not giving you homework.
Your ‘class’ may be on a different subject.
So who am I to teach?
Who are you to be my teacher?
And who are you to judge how I write?
By the way, is there a dispute in what I say?
 
Quotes can continually be used out of context.
This may be taken a couple ways
Are manners being referenced?
Or perhaps conformity?

conformity (n.) Action or behavior in correspondence with socially accepted standards, conventions, rules, or laws: conformity to university regulations

And another thing.
Many quote others for some sort of validation, as proof perhaps.
I call this relying on others for proof, validation, perhaps blind faith.
This is something I have wanted to discuss and get clarity on for some time. I have noticed that people have a tendency to quote commonly revered text to back up and qualify their point of view. The problem is that our languages are not infallible and do not in themselves clearly define ideas.

One's interpretation, however well meaning, can be wrong, and it is possible to debate interpretations ad infinitum. I find it very disappointing when people get sucked into those kind of debates, as it reminds me of my father passionately debating his conservative baptist interpretations of the bible against, for example a charismatic interpretation. What a waste of time! As far as I'm concerned both interpretations are missing the mark.

Furthermore, if one has actually internalized something learned from a text, it is much easier to convey meaning by sharing one's personal experience than it is by taking a portion of text out of it's original context, osit.

I think it's important to not only sharpen one's mind, but to simultaneously deepen one's compassion. When a painful truth is offered to a friend as a humble confession, one acknowledges the suffering and work involved in growing beyond previous limitations, and demonstrates a willingness to help a friend grow. Demanding that people change out of external consideration on the other hand, can create resentment.

It seems to me that criticism is the appropriate approach for conscious evil, and honest sharing for ignorance.
 
Al Today said:
I got outta the preaching business a long time ago.
Do I need to elaborate on that?
The answer lies within the forum, do the research and learn.
I will discuss my experiences, but I am not here to publish my life story.

Shane said:
When you write like this, it doesn't feel like I'm hearing the real 'Al' but from someone who is performing.
Is this an opinion?
I feel there are enough people here that do not need me to explain everything I say.
Nor am I gonna stand in front of the class and teach.
I do offer my life experience to help any way I can.
But I do not give them cake, I feel I offer an opportunity to think freely.
Wow Al! You were a preacher? What did that involve and how did you go about doing that? I would love to know your life story - you know; what you liked about it, what you didn't.... How you helped people and ... some of the difficulties you faced. I know that sometimes personal histories can be really hard. My Granfather was a Methodist minister (fire and brimstone type :D) and he was a really unusual individual....

What is your personal 'impressions' of the preachering business? What type of insights can you bring from your experineces? Did you change from it, or move, one way or another, in any way? Do you think differently now from yester-year?
 
Al today said:
‘get over’ to me, is acceptance of the way things are, and ‘not to dwell’.
‘not to dwell’, to me, is not to allow the festering of helplessness/hopelessness.
I understand dwelling to be basically stagnation/obsession - to focus on something at the expense of real progress and learning, or simply to give something more attention than is useful or productive.
Al today said:
Up to an individual to choose to understand, move on, or fester in emotional distress.
Facts are facts until the emotion of hatred and revenge is noticeable.
If I stand on a train track, see that train coming, I will move aside for my survival.
Ok but has the person being quoted lost the "grip on himself", is he festering in distress, hate, or revenge?
Al today said:
SAO said:
Growth is getting over what needs to be gotten over, and not getting over what must never be gotten over, osit.
Do you mean something like: I may forgive, but will never forget…
Or: History ignored can be History that repeats.
Sort of, I just meant that things that are detrimental to progress need to be "let go of" and "gotten over" for progress to continue. Things that are beneficial for progress do not need to be gotten over. Like we should never "get over" our drive to seek truth. Someone can say, "You're obsessed with this whole seeking truth thing!" and that's certainly an "interesting" way to put it, but that's not expressing a problem on your end that you need to go ahead and fix even though he sure made it sound that way. From the perspective of the insane, it's everyone else who is insane. So should everyone who is sane "get over" their sanity and become like that insane person, or should the truly insane get over the insanity? And that's basically what I meant that "growth" is not necessarily synonymous with "getting over" stuff - but only particular kind of stuff.
Al today said:
I feel I have been unfairly criticized and I need to debate the issue.
criticism (n.) A critical comment or judgment.
I feel I have been judged, and have a need to talk with the court…
Could you restate this without using the word judge? Otherwise could you specifically define your usage of it please? Also "unfairly". Also "debate". Otherwise I do not understand what you mean by the above.
Al today said:
Quotes can continually be used out of context.
This may be taken a couple ways
Are manners being referenced?
Or perhaps conformity?
conformity (n.) Action or behavior in correspondence with socially accepted standards, conventions, rules, or laws: conformity to university regulations
Yes like wearing clothes? Or showering, or shaking someone's hand when you are in a country where people shake hands vs doing a different appropriate gesture when in a country where people do something else, etc. I think the law of 3 applies here - there is good, there is evil, and then the specific situation that decides which is which. Conforming can be done for reasons of internal considering or external considering.
Al today said:
Shane said:
I think it would be of benefit to you and others if you tried to write as others do.
Why should a person walk the same as others?
What if they have no legs?
But that's different - you have legs, and the devil is in the details. But I agree that's a good question - why should a person walk the same as others? Why would Gurdjieff not cross his legs just because nobody else did? Why does someone listen to music that others listen to? Are all these things done for the same reason? You do seem defensive and evasive when answering those questions that were directed at your style of writing. And I'm not "taking sides" here or concuring with Shane's request (nor am I against it), I am simply pointing out what I detect in your response.
Al today said:
Let’s talk about this ‘elaboration of thoughts’.
Like I said, I do NOT look for student/teacher situations.
I am not here to teach you with multitudes of text.
I am not giving you homework.
Your ‘class’ may be on a different subject.
So who am I to teach?
Who are you to be my teacher?
And who are you to judge how I write?
By the way, is there a dispute in what I say?
I think a network is all about student/teacher situations. We constantly switch roles and usually the network itself, due to its own nature, becomes the "teacher" of all involved, even though it is itself composed of "all involved". Did Shane judge? Depends on how you define judge - and not all definitions are "bad". However, given that this word is very vague and easily confusing, it can be applied to any situation your mind does not like for whatever reason (even if that reason is an uncomfortable truth, or something similar). It's a heavily ponerized word, intentionally so. What did Shane say/do that you think is not "good" or beneficial and that you think he should not have said, and why? Could you please clarify your thoughts without using the word judge - or clearly define it? :)
 

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