13th sign of the zodiac

[blindpsychic]

_http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/13/new-zodiac-sign-dates-oph_n_808567.html#s223863&title=kristin_leigh

Astronomer Parke Kunkle says that due to changes in the Earth's alignment the dates of many zodiac signs have changed, according to NBC. In addition, there may be a 13th Zodiac sign: Ophiuchus.

Kunkle says that as the Earth and Sun slowly move the signs gradually change, as expected.

The change didn't happen over night either. The 12 signs were designated to different periods of the year almost 3,000 years ago, when astrology began, and since then the Earth's position in relation to the sun has changed.

While the sign many people were born under may now be different, it shouldn't affect horoscope readings, according to NBC.

See if your Zodiac sign has changed below.

The New Dates:
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Capricorn: Jan. 20 - Feb. 16
Aquarius: Feb. 16 - March 11
Pisces: March 11- April 18
Aries: April 18 - May 13
Taurus: May 13 - June 21
Gemini: June 21 - July 20
Cancer: July 20 - Aug. 10
Leo: Aug. 10 - Sept. 16
Virgo: Sept. 16 - Oct. 30
Libra: Oct. 30 - Nov. 23
Scorpio: Nov. 23 - Nov. 29
Ophiuchus: Nov. 29 - Dec. 17
Sagittarius: Dec. 17 - Jan. 20

Wasn't too sure where to put this. I recall something in the Wave or one of the other materials talking about how the zodiac was supposed to have had only 10 signs at some point. I can't remember where I found it.

 

[mkrnhr]

According to V. Clube this presence of the constellation of Ophiuchus may be due indeed to sudden change in the ecliptic plane. The splitting of the zodiac constellation may be a separate event.

 

[Laura]

But then, according to Walter Cruttenden, the precession of the zodiac is due to the solar system rotating in tandem with a companion star and not due to the Earth's "wobble."

 

[Avi]

And yet, one wonders why the lame-street media is so intent upon making this change in zodiac a "trending now" type story?

In other words, I think it is likely that this concerns more of the "revelations" and making the public "aware" so as to prepare for "disclosure".

Just my thoughts.


And of course if practising astrologers don't incorporate the changes then it is little more than moot.

And poor, poor Scorpio! Talk about getting shafted! Their existential real estate has been confiscated and them stingers now get merely a week to come into being! What an unfair distribution of sky!

I mean look at them hoggers, Pisces, Taurus, Leo and Virgo, they all get more than a month! Learn to share already!

;D

 

[luke wilson]

This blows, been relagated from a sag to an Ophiuchus whatever that is meant to be... blows big time!

_http://the-red-thread.net/ophiuchus2.html

 

[Laura]

And yet, one wonders why the lame-street media is so intent upon making this change in zodiac a "trending now" type story?

In other words, I think it is likely that this concerns more of the "revelations" and making the public "aware" so as to prepare for "disclosure".

Just my thoughts.

I doubt that's it unless you mean disclosure of the true threat to our planet, companion star, comets, the probable real reason for precession, the slowing of the earth's orbit, etc etc.

 

[Joe]

I thought it was interesting that the 13th sign that they say would not be necessary is "Opiuchus" or a man wrestling with a snake

Here's another link

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1347140/Horoscope-change-2011-Sidereal-astrology-reveals-13th-OPHIUCHUS-zodiac-sign.html

 

[ScarletBegonias]

This blows, been relagated from a sag to an Ophiuchus whatever that is meant to be... blows big time!

_http://the-red-thread.net/ophiuchus2.html

Wouldn't the new zodiac dates and the addition of the 13th sign only apply to people born after December 2009? I keep reading conflicting information online and now I'm confused. Either way I'm still a Taurus, but I see lots of my friends and family members' signs are different.

Here is a thread on Yahoo that also contains links to a couple related articles:

~http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110113181128AA4ejDO

 

[Avi]

Well the thing about astrology though is that one is not just a "leo" or "cancer" or "sag" - etc, rather, there are influences from all the planets according to their "magnifying glass" - the constellation each happens to be traversing - at the time of one's birth. I've always found the reference to the sun sign solely as being indicative to be a bit misleading.

Here is a site which outlines the placement of each planet, with a description regarding its implication, if you have your birth data (correct time and location) - wonder how Ophiuchus will start to play into this side of the astrology business?

_http://www.chaosastrology.net/freeastrologyreports.cfm

Quite interesting that on this site they refer to this as the center of the galaxy.

_http://www.horary.com/hhcrl/galact.

This blows, been relagated from a sag to an Ophiuchus whatever that is meant to be... blows big time!

_http://the-red-thread.net/ophiuchus2.html

Wouldn't the new zodiac dates and the addition of the 13th sign only apply to people born after December 2009? I keep reading conflicting information online and now I'm confused. Either way I'm still a Taurus, but I see lots of my friends and family members' signs are different.

Here is a thread on Yahoo that also contains links to a couple related articles:

~http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110113181128AA4ejDO

 

[WhiteBear]

I recall something in the Wave or one of the other materials talking about how the zodiac was supposed to have had only 10 signs at some point. I can't remember where I found it.

Yeah, the Libra scales were actually Scorpio's claws, or something like that...don't remember exactly where...
BTW, I switched from Scorp to Libra, so if we could just combine those, that'd be great :)

 

[Vulcan59]

I recall something in the Wave or one of the other materials talking about how the zodiac was supposed to have had only 10 signs at some point. I can't remember where I found it.

Yeah, the Libra scales were actually Scorpio's claws, or something like that...don't remember exactly where...
BTW, I switched from Scorp to Libra, so if we could just combine those, that'd be great :)

The Wave. Have a read here. :)

 

[Laura]

How long have you been doing astrology, Herakles?

 

[Z...]

Huh, that makes me Gemini with Ophiuchus ascendant. I can live with this change, in fact I was getting bored of Cancer/Sagittarius combo.

 

[Sodajaxon]

Here is a page on Ophiuchus' attributes. It is pretty interesting, expecially the name Serpentarius!

_http://the-red-thread.net/ophiuchus2.html


The constellation, Ophiuchus, has been known since ancient times, and is better known as Serpentarius, the Serpent Holder. It is included in the list of 48 constellations described by Ptolemy. Ophiuchus is depicted as a man handling a serpent; his body dividing the large snake into two parts, giving way to the symbol used today as an Asclepius - the medical staff. Astrologers have not included Ophiuchus in the wheel of Astrological signs because the Sun spends only about nineteen days in this 13th sign of the Mazzaroth. Not that there wasn't a 13th sign in the Heavens, but as far as Astrologers were concerned, the Sun traveled from the constellation 'Scorpius' and then proceeded directly into the sign of Sagittarius. In reality, this was not the case. The Sun, for 19 days of the year, travels through the star constellation 'Ophiuchus' before entering Sagittarius from Scorpius - see chart below. thus The sign of Ophiuchus is patterned after the original 'Serpent Holder', Enki, a Sumerian god.
/snip

i am like Herr Eisenheim, in the cancer/sagittarius astrology profile.

here is short list of attributes
LIST OF KEY WORDS DESCRIBING THE SIGN OF OPHIUCHUS

interpreter of dreams, vivid premonitions,
attracts good luck and fruitful blessings,

serpent holder, lofty ideals,
a seeker of peace and harmony,
doctor of medicine or science, natural-pathic,

adds, increases, joins, or gathers together
poetical, inventive nature, expanding qualities,

seeks higher education and wisdom
/snip

there is more here at this link, and the interesting thing here is the story of Æsculapius.

Æsculapius was an immortal man who had been schooled by the centaur Chiron in the arts of botany and medicine. So he was knowledgeable of the various herbs and plants and a student of nature. One day, it is said, he was in the house of a friend when he killed a snake. He watched in astonishment when another snake slithered into the room with a particular herb in its mouth and with it restored the slain reptile to life. Recognizing the plant, Æsculapius soon had learned to use its mystical powers to heal the sick and resurrect the dead. It is from this history and from the ability of a snake to cast off its skin and assume a new revitalization that serpents have become symbols for healing.
/snip
more here
_http://www.eastbayastro.org/articles/lore/ophiuchus.htm

 

[Avi]

I have been interested in astrology around 15-years, at least that is the length of time from first being introduced to my natal chart, my mother gave it to me as a high school graduation present. I have been fascinated with myth and story-telling since very very young, as far back as I can remember.

Over the past 5 years or so I started to read up on many different methods and styles of astrology, spent a lot of "time" in the "Esoteric Astrology" camp and actually this is where the avatar originates, from - "The Labours of Hercules: An Astrological Interpretation". Maybe will post some of that sometime but have felt it doesn't quite mesh with this forum, the 7 Rays and all that.

Also looked into Vedic for a bit, but it became confusing for the methods and significance vary quite dramatically.

I don't do charts professionally or anything like that.

FWIW, the link Whitebear just posted is interesting, I had read that before but forgotten. I think it is interesting the bit about an 11-sign Zodiac, for I have read other accounts where there was a time with 10 (but describes Aq and Pis as being the additions) and a time when there were 8 - supposedly Leo and Virgo were combined at that time, reflective in the Sphinx.